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A couple of good tracks on an average album.

15 songs should mean you have a lot to say.

Please oh please we need a stones album.

How many times did you listen to it? Give it some time.

But if I've already pre-judged that I'm only going to find this is an average album before I've actually listened to it, what good is it going to do listening to it several times?

That's what I figured. Some people find it hard to be objective once they are exposed to reviews, either good or bad...or for any number of reasons, they are in the mind set already to dislike it. Might as well put it away for a while and maybe try again when the spirit moves you and you think you can approach it with a fresh perspective.

That's a good idea. In a few years, I can go back to it and it will be like an entirely new album I find of average quality!

Well, it is a good idea. In regards to CROSSEYED HEART I am in that state at the moment that I have listened it enough, judged it enough, and it doesn't offer me¨anything anymore to change my judgment no matter how much I listen to it. So I stopped listening to it. Will it be several weeks, months or yaers I will pick it up again and listen it with "fresh perspective", I don't know. Probably then I might reconsider its value (and see more clearly how it rates in regards to his and Stones' past achievements). But that's how it is with almost any record.

Contrary to many people here, my reception of the album has been rather different. My initial reaction was "Wow! Never I thought Keith could come up again with something so fresh and good!". It was a pleasent surprise. The songs sounded so mature, so genuine, so relaxed, so independent (of The Stones), and what is best: different compared to his other solo albums. I especially welcomed the slow song/ballad section - lots of nice little melody ideas, Keith singing from his heart, and all that. Finally getting that all out of his system. Probably I had so low expectations and I have waited for so long a new Rolling Stones-related item, that it was easy to charm me.

Unfortunately that first impression didn't last too long. I hear people here saying that the album or this or that song is "growing on me", but for me it goes the other way round: what first sounded so interesting and promising and fresh started little by little sound a bit too obvious, cliche-like and thin - there wasn't the depthness to excite curious imagination to find hidden treasures - to really capture one's mind like some real masterpieces do. I find the album very "easy-listening" - which is to say: don't listen too deeply, too seriously - just enjoy the nice surface here and then and keep it that way. The music just can't stand closer attention (or repeated listenings) to keep its charm. This is especially true in regards to the ballad section I first liked so much - now I feel like that I really don't need to hear any new Keith Richards ballad ever again. An overdose. And that country ballad is a walking cliche (but that old school Stonesy piece "Heartstopper" is a real gem as some others).

In that sense - the charm fades away rather quickly - I don't find the album (at the moment) much different from the recent (last 25/30 yaers or so) Stones albums like many people here seem to do. Probably it is better than, say, A BIGGER BANG but that doesn't really ask much - both Mick and Keith have managed to make more exciting solo albums on their own than their co-worked previous or upcoming Stones efforts.

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Doxa, you make some interesting points as always (I don't dare quote the whole post ), but why not also admit that you were influenced to post judge the album more negatively by all the positive reviews here?

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I love how all the guitars on Amnesia are complimenting eachother so brilliantly. It reminds me of the greatness of the guitar arrangements on songs like Dance.

What a beautiful way of arranging guitar tracks! Top class weaving

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There was one guy who slammed Mick a few times, Doxa, and he is gone now. The rest just wanted to discuss, review and celebrate the album. I don't think what you did was necessary, or had any effect on this - other than to make us wonder if someone had hijacked your account

There isn't anyone who has compared CH to Exile when it comes to quality, that's a myth that won't get more true because you repeat it..

Sometimes (and I can join the class here, too) it pays off to just admit that these counter posts were.. um.. a little odd and perhaps unnecessary? It's not like they stopped something, unless you reported someone.

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Doxa, I appreciate your detailed explanation, but I agree with both Dandy and 35love. There were a few people who wrote anti Mick posts, and they wrote them more than once. But, the vast majority here were simply expressing their joy about the music.There is no right or wrong with what people find musically satisfying and they should be allowed to express that without being accused of taking sides in a supposed war between Mick and Keith. Most people here love them both, and wish them well, with the hope that they have it in them to do another Stones album soon.

The initial excitement about Keith's album was a very human reaction and you can find it all over this forum whenever the Stones have done something new, be it a tour, or an appearance on SNL. After a while it dies down, less people post, and the ones that do focus more on the details. That's what happens after you have some time to reflect. Perhaps you will revisit your reaction to that enthusiasm after you have had some time to reflect as well.

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Doxa, I appreciate your detailed explanation, but I agree with both Dandy and 35love. There were a few people who wrote anti Mick posts, and they wrote them more than once. But, the vast majority here were simply expressing their joy about the music.There is no right or wrong with what people find musically satisfying and they should be allowed to express that without being accused of taking sides in a supposed war between Mick and Keith. Most people here love them both, and wish them well, with the hope that they have it in them to do another Stones album soon.

The initial excitement about Keith's album was a very human reaction and you can find it all over this forum whenever the Stones have done something new, be it a tour, or an appearance on SNL. After a while it dies down, less people post, and the ones that do focus more on the details. That's what happens after you have some time to reflect. Perhaps you will revisit your reaction to that enthusiasm after you have had some time to reflect as well.

If you've read Doxa's posts, isn't that what he's actually done? He says he initially really liked it, but upon further listenings, reflections and review it didn't stand up.

I got to that point a little faster to which I give myself full credit.

Doesn't mean I hate the album, but I can assure you I would never have bought it if it weren't a Keith album.

Do I hold this album to a higher standard because it is Keith? Well actually no...I had very low expectations for Talk is Cheap and he ripped the cover off the ball as it sailed out of the park. I then had very high expectations for Main Offender, where my enthusiasm was doused.

Coming into this album, my expectations were once again low.

All I'll say further is this album has met my expectations.

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As to not buying it if it wasn't Keith, that seems somewhat pointless to me, of course you wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't Keith's, most of us wouldn't have either. That extends to practically every piece of music anyone buys, doesn't it?

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Just picked this CD up today (it was hard enough parting with those $17, I can't stand the thought of parting with $38!)... Hope it was worth it, 'Trouble' didn't exactly drive me crazy the first three times I heard it- this will be my fourth.

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Just picked this CD up today (it was hard enough parting with those $17, I can't stand the thought of parting with $38!)... Hope it was worth it, 'Trouble' didn't exactly drive me crazy the first three times I heard it- this will be my fourth.

Wait a minute. Do you pay $25 or more for a show?

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But can't you see, nothing is gone? It's just that the natural early excitement has matured into more reflections into details and things we didn't notice right away. That happens naturally, like it should. And like I told you it would.

No one should feel obliged to burst in and cool things down when people are enjoying something. There was no fanaticm, not then and not now.

I didn't see you take on this role in the Life thread, btw. There you were well-placed in the choir. Maybe you learned something from that?

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But can't you see, nothing is gone? It's just that the natural early excitement has matured into more reflections into details and things we didn't notice right away. That happens naturally, like it should. And like I told you it would.

No one should feel obliged to burst in and cool things down when people are enjoying something. There was no fanaticm, not then and not now.

I didn't see you take on this role in the Life thread, btw. There you were well-placed in the choir. Maybe you learned something from that?

Yeah Deandelion, I've been thinking the same thing.

As always, no offense to Doxa. Perhaps he has his deep reasonings, but I'm curious to know as to why he has designated yourself as the 'chosen one' to balance out this so-called 'division'. I sometimes wonder if he's joking or being tongue-in-cheek, but other times it seems that the superior/higher moral ground/attitude is actually perpetuating this so called division that seems to upset him so much. It comes across as a 'holier than thou' attitude at times with a hint of condescending preaching, as in "you all should behave yourselves - you have sinned"! Or like a parent scolding their children for misbehaving and not playing nice with each other - "bad children, be nice to each other"!. I believe we're all adults here, and nobody appreciates being talked down to in such a manner. Does his mission to balance this 'division' and defend Mick overpower the respect that should be given to other posters here? The vague, thinly veiled, roundabout criticism and insults towards others also seems a bit bizarre in it's condescending nature. Maybe he could start a separate thread to lay down the law of the land - it might reach more viewers that way, and it might even be given the sticky treatment by Bjornulf! Or maybe it will fizzle out after his first post. Or maybe this is the thread that he's been appointed to by the 'higher powers'. I mean seriously, this is a rock and roll message board and things don't have to be so heavy with all the rhetoric - don't you think?

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Treacles, come on. He was not just assailing the album itself but the people who liked it and you just did the same with your cheer leaders comment. I know you understand the difference.

I think I'm done with this conversation, it's just going round in circles now.

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Treacles, come on. He was not just assailing the album itself but the people who liked it and you just did the same with your cheer leaders comment. I know you understand the difference.

I think I'm done with this conversation, it's just going round in circles now.

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Treacles, come on. He was not just assailing the album itself but the people who liked it and you just did the same with your cheer leaders comment. I know you understand the difference.

I think I'm done with this conversation, it's just going round in circles now.

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But can't you see, nothing is gone? It's just that the natural early excitement has matured into more reflections into details and things we didn't notice right away. That happens naturally, like it should. And like I told you it would.

No one should feel obliged to burst in and cool things down when people are enjoying something. There was no fanaticm, not then and not now.

I didn't see you take on this role in the Life thread, btw. There you were well-placed in the choir. Maybe you learned something from that?

Yeah Deandelion, I've been thinking the same thing.

As always, no offense to Doxa. Perhaps he has his deep reasonings, but I'm curious to know as to why he has designated yourself as the 'chosen one' to balance out this so-called 'division'. I sometimes wonder if he's joking or being tongue-in-cheek, but other times it seems that the superior/higher moral ground/attitude is actually perpetuating this so called division that seems to upset him so much. It comes across as a 'holier than thou' attitude at times with a hint of condescending preaching, as in "you all should behave yourselves - you have sinned"! Or like a parent scolding their children for misbehaving and not playing nice with each other - "bad children, be nice to each other"!. I believe we're all adults here, and nobody appreciates being talked down to in such a manner. Does his mission to balance this 'division' and defend Mick overpower the respect that should be given to other posters here? The vague, thinly veiled, roundabout criticism and insults towards others also seems a bit bizarre in it's condescending nature. Maybe he could start a separate thread to lay down the law of the land - it might reach more viewers that way, and it might even be given the sticky treatment by Bjornulf! Or maybe it will fizzle out after his first post. Or maybe this is the thread that he's been appointed to by the 'higher powers'. I mean seriously, this is a rock and roll message board and things don't have to be so heavy with all the rhetoric - don't you think?

NO, I don't think that....do you even understand what you're both spewing here? This is a message board for discussion...if everyone agrees on everything there is nothing to discuss.

If people happen to disagree with you, and put out an at least semi-literate counter point to what the cheer leaders are espousing, how is that a bad thing? How boring to simply have and insist on one point of view...and Doxa is assailed because he doesn't agree with you? How ridiculous.

...and he's right about the whole KR fanclub that seem to take it personally whenever their is something to criticize. It's like you have yourself somehow wrapped up in his persona, so a criticism of him is a criticism of you.

Get over yourselves man.

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Treacles, come on. He (Doxa) was not just assailing the album itself but the people who liked it and you just did the same with your cheer leaders comment. I know you understand the difference.