Tell Me :
Talk
This is some first-rate handwringing here.
What is truth?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 00:57 by Mel Belli.
Very well said my friend. Your whole post actually, but this last paragraph is particularly prudent. It's one thing to dispute facts but opinions are unimpeachable and although there are grey areas, it all comes down to respect and maturity in how we choose to respond to each other.
It is funny when you think about it. THEY'RE IN THE SAME DAMN BAND! Whatever happened to bitching about The Beatles or whoever?
See the Phil Collins thread, the G&R thread and about 100 others.
I agree. A Keith tour would be a best case scenario. Closely behind it of course would be the rumored wyman/Taylor stones cover band. Last place would be mick doing a gig at the belly up where he performs she's the boss in its entirety.
The Beatles vs stones debate was declared over a couple months ago. Something about McCartney jamming with the surviving members of nirvana while the stones jammed with ... Well you get the picture and it ain't pretty. Anyway, this is why stones fans are so grumpy. The Beatles fans can be heard partying next door.
That's music to my ears LongBeachArena72
Its a pity there are not more posters like you around
Thanks for your words of wisdom
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 12:47 by keefriffhards.
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Keep On Rolling
Hard to run a promo campaign when you got amnesia, apparently
I thought it was a song a year?
True; but MJ has WAY more albums released as well - 7 titles, of which (only) one is a compilation; whereas Keith has only 4 titles - one being a compilation, and 1 a live album (both being somewhat 'rehashing' already circulating material; therefor lower on sales than releasing new/ original material).
But at 5 to 1, MJ has 'the knockout punch' here.
although I'm rather on Keith' side, I have to admit that Wandering Spirit is a much better and much more varied album than Main Offender
I'm still sulking lol
But if anyone wants a serious conversation i'm there
Yeah, but the music they party to still s***cks, though.
My sources have told me there will be no tour.
And they are good sources.
...and MJ has to thank Rick Rubin.
So some videos to accompany a few songs and maybe a one off studio type live recording is the most we can expect
What a missed opportunity
Maybe Keith does not realise how many people would love to see him live
I mean he cant go wrong
If he totally bummed out and turned up pissed and messed it all up it would still be Keith god damn it
People would still say he was brilliant just for standing there
Dude cant go wrong
Maybe its too much of a headache for him to organise a tour
Jane Rose does all that though, so what's the problem
I honestly cant see any live dates for the Stones on the horrizon this year
So it must be a new album
All is not lost then if Keith's album has got Mick back in the studio
But come on, who wants another Stones album like the last 3
One stand out track.
It Wont Take Long.
Ok they are all good but we want brilliant not good from the Stones
Don't we ??
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Mel Belli
()
Date: August 25, 2015 00:44
Quote
LongBeachArena72Quote
keefriffhards
Keith won't tour and all you lot go on about is album sales
Rolling Stones live these days is the Mick and Chuck show and nobody cares
Unbelievable.
You just like dates, facts and figures, scarf's and clothes and all things balanced without offending anyone
i cant take any more of this
Its ocd gone wild
Nothing can draw you into a serious adult conversation about anything Rolling Stones
Ahh, but that is always the way of the world, young riffhards.
It's sometimes easier to take refuge in statistics ('cause they never lie!) and humor than it is to have "a serious adult conversation."
I took a break from this website for a while because of a stupid remark by someone who had completely misinterpreted my post; I'm sure you've had similar experiences which have dissuaded you from participating.
The "fact" is that most of the discussion on this--or any--fan board are based on opinion, anecdote, passion, etc. There's no accounting for tastes. They can differ significantly from person to person.
You might think "Amnesia" is brilliant, a harbinger of a classic album to come. I might think it's a swampy groove that's cool but more of a sketch than a song, with Keith's trademark weak vocals and not a bridge or a chorus in sight. Doesn't mean one or the other of us is right; though one of our points of view may have more "followers" here than the other.
You might think that Keith is constantly deferring to Mick when it comes to what The Stones do, how they play, what they choose to record, etc. I might think that if that is true then Keith's a pussy for not being able to stand up to Mick. They guy who threatened an Angel at Altamont is afraid of Mick Jagger? Unlikely. But who knows which of us is right?
You might think that Keith is the more talented musician and the better songwriter between the two of them. I might respond that I honestly don't care which of them is "better;" I care more about the fact that neither one of them, together or apart, has written a decent song in decades. You could be totally right and I could be wrong. Who knows?
I guess it comes down to the way we phrase things, how relatively unpopular our opinions are in the context of the rest of the board, how respectful we are of each others' right to have an opinion and to express it in public. Those are some of the hallmarks of "a serious adult conversation," as far as I'm concerned. They're not easy to have, especially on a fan board on the internet!
This is some first-rate handwringing here.
What is truth?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 00:57 by Mel Belli.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: August 25, 2015 01:16
Quote
LongBeachArena72
I guess it comes down to the way we phrase things, how relatively unpopular our opinions are in the context of the rest of the board, how respectful we are of each others' right to have an opinion and to express it in public. Those are some of the hallmarks of "a serious adult conversation," as far as I'm concerned. They're not easy to have, especially on a fan board on the internet!
Very well said my friend. Your whole post actually, but this last paragraph is particularly prudent. It's one thing to dispute facts but opinions are unimpeachable and although there are grey areas, it all comes down to respect and maturity in how we choose to respond to each other.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
tumbled
()
Date: August 25, 2015 01:29
what I find interesting on this board is that humans tend to want to create a competition where there is none, why isn't it okay for mick and keith and everyone to be okay as they are just being themselves. Why does there need to be a conflict where there is nnone that is reasonably apparent???? I think people devolve into bickering and whining when they do not know what is going on. its a control thing. humans always have to be "my team is best" "my man is best" etc. its pretty dumb imo. let a thousand flowers bloom~!
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
LongBeachArena72
()
Date: August 25, 2015 01:38
Quote
tumbled
what I find interesting on this board is that humans tend to want to create a competition where there is none, why isn't it okay for mick and keith and everyone to be okay as they are just being themselves. Why does there need to be a conflict where there is nnone that is reasonably apparent???? I think people devolve into bickering and whining when they do not know what is going on. its a control thing. humans always have to be "my team is best" "my man is best" etc. its pretty dumb imo. let a thousand flowers bloom~!
It is funny when you think about it. THEY'RE IN THE SAME DAMN BAND! Whatever happened to bitching about The Beatles or whoever?
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Deathgod
()
Date: August 25, 2015 01:41
Hope Keefs PR peeps aren't the same guys who did those Stones Tuesday billboards.
Where's the song ?
Where's the song ?
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: August 25, 2015 01:45
Quote
LongBeachArena72Quote
tumbled
what I find interesting on this board is that humans tend to want to create a competition where there is none, why isn't it okay for mick and keith and everyone to be okay as they are just being themselves. Why does there need to be a conflict where there is nnone that is reasonably apparent???? I think people devolve into bickering and whining when they do not know what is going on. its a control thing. humans always have to be "my team is best" "my man is best" etc. its pretty dumb imo. let a thousand flowers bloom~!
It is funny when you think about it. THEY'RE IN THE SAME DAMN BAND! Whatever happened to bitching about The Beatles or whoever?
See the Phil Collins thread, the G&R thread and about 100 others.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
ohmercy61
()
Date: August 25, 2015 02:13
When your the man from nowhere you don't get prise......Amnesia the more I hear it the more I like it!!!where's the next one?
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Turner68
()
Date: August 25, 2015 02:13
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keefriffhardsQuote
Rolling HansieQuote
keefriffhards
Ahh never mind
Thanks, I will ... or won't, now I'm confused
I'm just disappointed that Keith may be giving up something creative and new, like a solo tour, so Mick can make more millions
Another Stones tour is just more of the same.
I am done with the same old show over and over and over again
I agree. A Keith tour would be a best case scenario. Closely behind it of course would be the rumored wyman/Taylor stones cover band. Last place would be mick doing a gig at the belly up where he performs she's the boss in its entirety.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Turner68
()
Date: August 25, 2015 02:17
Quote
NaturalustQuote
LongBeachArena72Quote
tumbled
what I find interesting on this board is that humans tend to want to create a competition where there is none, why isn't it okay for mick and keith and everyone to be okay as they are just being themselves. Why does there need to be a conflict where there is nnone that is reasonably apparent???? I think people devolve into bickering and whining when they do not know what is going on. its a control thing. humans always have to be "my team is best" "my man is best" etc. its pretty dumb imo. let a thousand flowers bloom~!
It is funny when you think about it. THEY'RE IN THE SAME DAMN BAND! Whatever happened to bitching about The Beatles or whoever?
See the Phil Collins thread, the G&R thread and about 100 others.
The Beatles vs stones debate was declared over a couple months ago. Something about McCartney jamming with the surviving members of nirvana while the stones jammed with ... Well you get the picture and it ain't pretty. Anyway, this is why stones fans are so grumpy. The Beatles fans can be heard partying next door.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
ohmercy61
()
Date: August 25, 2015 02:26
Take Itso hard keith tour set
Whip it up
New song
New song
999
Little t n a
New song
How I wish
Locked away
Eileen
New song
Too rude
Rock awhile
Make no mistake
New song
Happy
Whip it up
New song
New song
999
Little t n a
New song
How I wish
Locked away
Eileen
New song
Too rude
Rock awhile
Make no mistake
New song
Happy
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 25, 2015 03:21
Quote
LongBeachArena72Quote
keefriffhards
Keith won't tour and all you lot go on about is album sales
Rolling Stones live these days is the Mick and Chuck show and nobody cares
Unbelievable.
You just like dates, facts and figures, scarf's and clothes and all things balanced without offending anyone
i cant take any more of this
Its ocd gone wild
Nothing can draw you into a serious adult conversation about anything Rolling Stones
Ahh, but that is always the way of the world, young riffhards.
It's sometimes easier to take refuge in statistics ('cause they never lie!) and humor than it is to have "a serious adult conversation."
I took a break from this website for a while because of a stupid remark by someone who had completely misinterpreted my post; I'm sure you've had similar experiences which have dissuaded you from participating.
The "fact" is that most of the discussion on this--or any--fan board are based on opinion, anecdote, passion, etc. There's no accounting for tastes. They can differ significantly from person to person.
You might think "Amnesia" is brilliant, a harbinger of a classic album to come. I might think it's a swampy groove that's cool but more of a sketch than a song, with Keith's trademark weak vocals and not a bridge or a chorus in sight. Doesn't mean one or the other of us is right; though one of our points of view may have more "followers" here than the other.
You might think that Keith is constantly deferring to Mick when it comes to what The Stones do, how they play, what they choose to record, etc. I might think that if that is true then Keith's a pussy for not being able to stand up to Mick. They guy who threatened an Angel at Altamont is afraid of Mick Jagger? Unlikely. But who knows which of us is right?
You might think that Keith is the more talented musician and the better songwriter between the two of them. I might respond that I honestly don't care which of them is "better;" I care more about the fact that neither one of them, together or apart, has written a decent song in decades. You could be totally right and I could be wrong. Who knows?
I guess it comes down to the way we phrase things, how relatively unpopular our opinions are in the context of the rest of the board, how respectful we are of each others' right to have an opinion and to express it in public. Those are some of the hallmarks of "a serious adult conversation," as far as I'm concerned. They're not easy to have, especially on a fan board on the internet!
That's music to my ears LongBeachArena72
Its a pity there are not more posters like you around
Thanks for your words of wisdom
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 12:47 by keefriffhards.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Deathgod
()
Date: August 25, 2015 04:14
Well, week 2 and the cool Keef promo of 'a song a week' has fizzled.
What peanut is running these things ?
What peanut is running these things ?
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
()
Date: August 25, 2015 09:46
Quote
Deathgod
What peanut is running these things ?
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Keep On Rolling
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 25, 2015 09:48
Quote
Deathgod
Well, week 2 and the cool Keef promo of 'a song a week' has fizzled.
What peanut is running these things ?
Hard to run a promo campaign when you got amnesia, apparently
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Green Lady
()
Date: August 25, 2015 11:21
Interesting cultural difference. Over here, cockups are (dis)organised by Muppets.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
gwen
()
Date: August 25, 2015 11:30
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Deathgod
Well, week 2 and the cool Keef promo of 'a song a week' has fizzled.
What peanut is running these things ?
Hard to run a promo campaign when you got amnesia, apparently
I thought it was a song a year?
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: August 25, 2015 12:11
Quote
lucasd4Quote
georgelicks
Some worldwide sales for the solo works:
She's The Boss (2,5 worldwide, 1.3 m US)
Primitive Cool (800-850k worldwide, 300-350k US)
Talk is Cheap (900k - 1 m worldwide, 600-650k US)
Hollywood Palladium (150-200k worldwide, 60k US)
Main Offender (400-500k worldwide, 250k US)
Wandering Spirit (2.2 - 2.3 m worldwide, +1 m Europe, 500k US)
Goddess In The Doorway (1.3 m worldwide, +500k Europe, 350k US)
Alfie soundtrack (150-200k worldwide, 80k US)
Best Of MJ (200-250k worldwide, 60k US)
Vintage Winos (20k US)
Superheavy (550-600k worldwide, 250-300k Europe, 140k US)
In other words, Mick has sold WAY MORE solo albums than Keith has. Around 7.7 million for Mick and 1.4 million for Keith. She's the Boss sold twice as much as Talk is Cheap and Wandering Spirit sold 5 times as many copies as Main Offender.
True; but MJ has WAY more albums released as well - 7 titles, of which (only) one is a compilation; whereas Keith has only 4 titles - one being a compilation, and 1 a live album (both being somewhat 'rehashing' already circulating material; therefor lower on sales than releasing new/ original material).
But at 5 to 1, MJ has 'the knockout punch' here.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
slewan
()
Date: August 25, 2015 12:22
Quote
RoughJusticeOnYaQuote
lucasd4Quote
georgelicks
Some worldwide sales for the solo works:
She's The Boss (2,5 worldwide, 1.3 m US)
Primitive Cool (800-850k worldwide, 300-350k US)
Talk is Cheap (900k - 1 m worldwide, 600-650k US)
Hollywood Palladium (150-200k worldwide, 60k US)
Main Offender (400-500k worldwide, 250k US)
Wandering Spirit (2.2 - 2.3 m worldwide, +1 m Europe, 500k US)
Goddess In The Doorway (1.3 m worldwide, +500k Europe, 350k US)
Alfie soundtrack (150-200k worldwide, 80k US)
Best Of MJ (200-250k worldwide, 60k US)
Vintage Winos (20k US)
Superheavy (550-600k worldwide, 250-300k Europe, 140k US)
In other words, Mick has sold WAY MORE solo albums than Keith has. Around 7.7 million for Mick and 1.4 million for Keith. She's the Boss sold twice as much as Talk is Cheap and Wandering Spirit sold 5 times as many copies as Main Offender.
True; but MJ has WAY more albums released as well - 7 titles, of which (only) one is a compilation; whereas Keith has only 4 titles - one being a compilation, and 1 a live album (both being somewhat 'rehashing' already circulating material; therefor lower on sales than releasing new/ original material).
But at 5 to 1, MJ has 'the knockout punch' here.
although I'm rather on Keith' side, I have to admit that Wandering Spirit is a much better and much more varied album than Main Offender
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
paulywaul
()
Date: August 25, 2015 12:41
Trouble is the record of the week on BBC R2 at the moment ... it's growing on me (slowly)
[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]
[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 25, 2015 12:45
Well Whoopee doodarr to Mick
But it don't change nothin
Because all his albums are terrible. Imho
But it don't change nothin
Because all his albums are terrible. Imho
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 25, 2015 13:06
Serious adult conversation 
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 25, 2015 13:11
Quote
with sssoul
Serious adult conversation
I'm still sulking lol
But if anyone wants a serious conversation i'm there
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: August 25, 2015 13:28
Quote
Turner68
The Beatles fans can be heard partying next door.
Yeah, but the music they party to still s***cks, though.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 25, 2015 13:37
Is it definite Keith no tour ??
Does anyone have any more info
I mean surely he can find time for a few gigs
Or are many of you on here right when you say Keith's full of s--t
I mean how many times has he said you got to take an album to the road !!
Serious chat anyone
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 13:40 by keefriffhards.
Does anyone have any more info
I mean surely he can find time for a few gigs
Or are many of you on here right when you say Keith's full of s--t
I mean how many times has he said you got to take an album to the road !!
Serious chat anyone
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 13:40 by keefriffhards.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
BILLPERKS
()
Date: August 25, 2015 13:48
Quote
keefriffhards
Is it definite Keith no tour ??
Does anyone have any more info
I mean surely he can find time for a few gigs
Or are many of you on here right when you say Keith's full of s--t
I mean how many times has he said you got to take an album to the road !!
Serious chat anyone
My sources have told me there will be no tour.
And they are good sources.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
KRiffhard
()
Date: August 25, 2015 13:54
Quote
slewanQuote
RoughJusticeOnYaQuote
lucasd4Quote
georgelicks
Some worldwide sales for the solo works:
She's The Boss (2,5 worldwide, 1.3 m US)
Primitive Cool (800-850k worldwide, 300-350k US)
Talk is Cheap (900k - 1 m worldwide, 600-650k US)
Hollywood Palladium (150-200k worldwide, 60k US)i
Main Offender (400-500k worldwide, 250k US)
Wandering Spirit (2.2 - 2.3 m worldwide, +1 m Europe, 500k US)
Goddess In The Doorway (1.3 m worldwide, +500k Europe, 350k US)
Alfie soundtrack (150-200k worldwide, 80k US)
Best Of MJ (200-250k worldwide, 60k US)
Vintage Winos (20k US)
Superheavy (550-600k worldwide, 250-300k Europe, 140k US)
In other words, Mick has sold WAY MORE solo albums than Keith has. Around 7.7 million for Mick and 1.4 million for Keith. She's the Boss sold twice as much as Talk is Cheap and Wandering Spirit sold 5 times as many copies as Main Offender.
True; but MJ has WAY more albums released as well - 7 titles, of which (only) one is a compilation; whereas Keith has only 4 titles - one being a compilation, and 1 a live album (both being somewhat 'rehashing' already circulating material; therefor lower on sales than releasing new/ original material).
But at 5 to 1, MJ has 'the knockout punch' here.
although I'm rather on Keith' side, I have to admit that Wandering Spirit is a much better and much more varied album than Main Offender
...and MJ has to thank Rick Rubin.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 25, 2015 14:13
Quote
BILLPERKSQuote
keefriffhards
Is it definite Keith no tour ??
Does anyone have any more info
I mean surely he can find time for a few gigs
Or are many of you on here right when you say Keith's full of s--t
I mean how many times has he said you got to take an album to the road !!
Serious chat anyone
My sources have told me there will be no tour.
And they are good sources.
So some videos to accompany a few songs and maybe a one off studio type live recording is the most we can expect
What a missed opportunity
Maybe Keith does not realise how many people would love to see him live
I mean he cant go wrong
If he totally bummed out and turned up pissed and messed it all up it would still be Keith god damn it
People would still say he was brilliant just for standing there
Dude cant go wrong
Maybe its too much of a headache for him to organise a tour
Jane Rose does all that though, so what's the problem
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
mailexile67
()
Date: August 25, 2015 14:20
Stones are the priority, so there will be some Stones activity in the fall...This is the matter.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
Lorenz
()
Date: August 25, 2015 14:23
I'm really disappointed they didn't do this properly after all. I'd fire my social media manager right away if a major promotion with communicated dates gets messed up like that.
Re: Keith Richards solo album 'Crosseyed Heart' - out September 18
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 25, 2015 14:27
Quote
mailexile67
Stones are the priority, so there will be some Stones activity in the fall...This is the matter.
I honestly cant see any live dates for the Stones on the horrizon this year
So it must be a new album
All is not lost then if Keith's album has got Mick back in the studio
But come on, who wants another Stones album like the last 3
One stand out track.
It Wont Take Long.
Ok they are all good but we want brilliant not good from the Stones
Don't we ??
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