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Best version ever of CYHMK...
... is the studio version.
This is true (for me). Not since whatever anyone does good or bad in the jam part of the song, but because Keith Richards can never reproduce that devilish angry bite he has in the original. One of the greatest and most efficient guitar performances ever put to the record. Therefore the actual song part has always been a huge disappointed for me, and the song always gets better when they come to the jam section, no matter is it Wood/Jagger or Taylor (with Keys) in charge from thereafter. It is Keith who fails live (and Jagger as a singer as well).
- Doxa
On the studio version Keith played that part in a trance 2,673 times before he told the producer "ok.. I'm ready".
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If there is ever the riff-master in flesh, that's the one. Authentic Keith Richards zone.
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If there is ever the riff-master in flesh, that's the one. Authentic Keith Richards zone.
That riff is always in the Guiytar magazines all time great riffs.
It deserves it.
However... part II should also be in an all time greatest list.. except it's harder to tab.
Just a wonderful piece of music all round that we should celebrate... the sax is marvelous too.
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DoomandGloomNo way... The best part for me is the double stops before the opening signature lick.. Nobody would do that.. I can analyze each section the way I did when I was a kid to solos on Ya Ya's or The Allman's at The Fillmore. This is a cohesive, improvised solo from the soul. There's so much this man can say with a guitar, he's lived the blues life for 40 years, make no mistake this was important for him. I can not recall a musician who's fans have stuck by, pleaded, insisted and lifted him back to the world stage in this way. Credit goes to The Glimmers for staying in touch with their audience. Every Taylorite is up there with The Stones playing that guitarQuote
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It's good but i still think MT is oversoloing here. It doesn't really sound as it did when they recorded it. Best version in my opinion is MSG 2003 or maybe SDF 2007 when Ronnie plays the solo.
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If there is ever the riff-master in flesh, that's the one. Authentic Keith Richards zone.
That riff is always in the Guiytar magazines all time great riffs.
It deserves it.
However... part II should also be in an all time greatest list.. except it's harder to tab.
Just a wonderful piece of music all round that we should celebrate... the sax is marvelous too.
Yup, great piece of music from beginning to end.
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In the studio version... when Mick Taylor does his first glorious line and lets it hang... does Mick J do a "yeah" in the background?
It's all great.
Sonic heaven.
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Aah, now when seeing the whole last "episode" from a different angle, it looks like that Jagger was not trying to stop anything or trying to hurry up the ending, but just enjoying the solo and the groove as all the rest. Oh yes, that happy grin on his face when he he exchanging smiles with Keith is priceless - it is the great music that connects these men, of which they should be proud of, and Taylor sounds like channeling that magic and feeling to them. It looks so natural, in the heat of the moment.
And yeah, that natural crowd response in the end of the solo can make a grown man cry alone.
I guess each one in that arena, both on stage and in the audience, knew they were witnessing - or being in the middle of - something historical.
By the way, I think is not too wild guess that that solo was the most waited guitar solo ever in the history of the Stones. There was decades invested in that. I understand that how nervous the key players were, and how reliefed they all were when it all turned out to be fine - or awesome actually. I guess the same with audience response.
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Aah, now when seeing the whole last "episode" from a different angle, it looks like that Jagger was not trying to stop anything or trying to hurry up the ending, but just enjoying the solo and the groove as all the rest. Oh yes, that happy grin on his face when he he exchanging smiles with Keith is priceless - it is the great music that connects these men, of which they should be proud of, and Taylor sounds like channeling that magic and feeling to them. It looks so natural, in the heat of the moment.
And yeah, that natural crowd response in the end of the solo can make a grown man cry alone.
I guess each one in that arena, both on stage and in the audience, knew they were witnessing - or being in the middle of - something historical.
By the way, I think is not too wild guess that that solo was the most waited guitar solo ever in the history of the Stones. There was decades invested in that. I understand that how nervous the key players were, and how reliefed they all were when it all turned out to be fine - or awesome actually. I guess the same with audience response.
- Doxa
This. The band were quite aware that they hadn't played the song with Taylor, having give it up after the one shot in '71. Nice that Mick and Keith could enjoy it like the rest of the fans.
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He created The Blind Faith album from dozens of reels with very few complete versions.
Yes that's the tension that makes this type of music great. Every time I saw Jimmy Page stumble through songs like "Over The Hills and Far Away" I felt like that. Just like rooting for Dicky Betts as he pushed through Jessica, the entire audience holding it's breath, Chuck reckless, turning his piano into a powerhouse. If you are too young and want to know what rock bands were like at it's highest form of creativity, look at CYHMK's clip from this week. The present Stones line up is a great band.Quote
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Aah, now when seeing the whole last "episode" from a different angle, it looks like that Jagger was not trying to stop anything or trying to hurry up the ending, but just enjoying the solo and the groove as all the rest. Oh yes, that happy grin on his face when he he exchanging smiles with Keith is priceless - it is the great music that connects these men, of which they should be proud of, and Taylor sounds like channeling that magic and feeling to them. It looks so natural, in the heat of the moment.
And yeah, that natural crowd response in the end of the solo can make a grown man cry alone.
I guess each one in that arena, both on stage and in the audience, knew they were witnessing - or being in the middle of - something historical.
By the way, I think is not too wild guess that that solo was the most waited guitar solo ever in the history of the Stones. There was decades invested in that. I understand that how nervous the key players were, and how reliefed they all were when it all turned out to be fine - or awesome actually. I guess the same with audience response.
- Doxa
This. The band were quite aware that they hadn't played the song with Taylor, having give it up after the one shot in '71. Nice that Mick and Keith could enjoy it like the rest of the fans.
Regards that infamous '71 one timer... When Taylor reaches Bobby during the solo, one can almost feel they thinking "Okay Bobby/Mick, we don't screw it up this time..." The ending of the song, the final outro, is a like those two guys making a powerful duo statement to the rest of the band that "here it is: take it or leave it, but there is no heaven way it will be any better ever!".
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Best version ever of CYHMK...
... is the studio version.
This is true (for me). Not since whatever anyone does good or bad in the jam part of the song, but because Keith Richards can never reproduce that devilish angry bite he has in the original. One of the greatest and most efficient guitar performances ever put to the record. Therefore the actual song part has always been a huge disappointed for me, and the song always gets better when they come to the jam section, no matter is it Wood/Jagger or Taylor (with Keys) in charge from thereafter. It is Keith who fails live (and Jagger as a singer as well).
- Doxa
On the studio version Keith played that part in a trance 2,673 times before he told the producer "ok.. I'm ready".
If there is ever the riff-master in flesh, that's the one. Authentic Keith Richards zone. And the whole song is that Richards riffage. Funnily, when I used to listen STICKY FINGERS and that track I thought "damn, the longest outro I ever heard, the song ended days ago". But since hearing it live I go "damn, that's the longest intro I ever heard, took ages before the real action started..."
(Jagger seemed to think alike and throw the last line out at Staples, and sounded like he would like to have done it earlier....)
- Doxa
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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.
Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.
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If there is ever the riff-master in flesh, that's the one. Authentic Keith Richards zone.
That riff is always in the Guiytar magazines all time great riffs.
It deserves it.
However... part II should also be in an all time greatest list.. except it's harder to tab.
Just a wonderful piece of music all round that we should celebrate... the sax is marvelous too.
Yup, great piece of music from beginning to end.
Yes it is. But young Doxa didn't think alike. For that boy - a child of punk generation, a stubborn Woodist, who thought that if you can't say it in three minutes, you don't have anything to say - the instrumental part was an oddity, and a turn off after the earth-breaking 'song-part'. It was some strange, uncool jazzy, progressive rock-like or something, too much sax and everything, nothing to do with "The Greatest Rock'n'Roll Band in the World". So that boy mostly skipped that part to get to "You Gotta Move"...
It took for that boy several years to understand the beauty of that part, and of depth and wide-scope greatness of The Rolling Stones - and of music over-all...><
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The Blind Faith is a long story Miller was flown to England and manufactured the album from incomplete takes as Atlantic was hot for the first supergroup and the tour was booked. He pulled vocals and guitar parts from outtake reels placed them on 1/4 inch tapes and flew them into the masters. The band had given up on the project and left it for heroin, they felt they could break the contract if there was no complete album.... According to him he'd never seen that many tapes and a record company courier was standing over him through out the weekend. As far as Bobby Keys or Rocky, that's the question I would ask if I had another chance, my guess would be they played on the entire song and Miller erased it for the impact of the outro, The Stones love to erase stuff unless it's Keith....Jimmy wasn't big on tall tails, he had enough true ones.Quote
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He created The Blind Faith album from dozens of reels with very few complete versions.
Where did you get that from?
Anyway, the stones usual way in the studio was to play everything to death until the magic appears. It could be - take 1, but if sonit's with lots of earlier attempts under their belt.
Remind me, does Bobby and Rocky play on the song part? If not why would they have them ready to record for an un planned jam section? The ending is obviously something they were already familiar with.
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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.
Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.
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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.
Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.
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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.
Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.
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Your usual Taylor double-standard. One can turn it around completely and say "despite not having played with these guys onstage in forty years they managed to make magic together." Was Taylor supposed to play the solo note-for-note from the record, even though Keith and Ronnie NEVER do on ANYTHING ELSE? Taylor did fine. He hit all the right emotional spots. The Stones are having the time of their lives. The audience is thrilled. In fact, almost everyone seems to be thrilled, except you, the same person who contended only days ago that Taylor "hardly played" on Exile On Main Street.