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He created The Blind Faith album from dozens of reels with very few complete versions.

Where did you get that from?

Anyway, the stones usual way in the studio was to play everything to death until the magic appears. It could be - take 1, but if sonit's with lots of earlier attempts under their belt.

Remind me, does Bobby and Rocky play on the song part? If not why would they have them ready to record for an un planned jam section? The ending is obviously something they were already familiar with.

The Blind Faith is a long story Miller was flown to England and manufactured the album from incomplete takes as the record company was hot for the first supergroup. He pulled vocals and guitar parts from outtake reels placed them on 1/4 tapes and flew them into the masters. The band had given up on the project and left it for heroin.... According to him a courier was standing over him through out the weekend. As far as Bobby Keys or Rocky, that's the question I would ask if I had another chance, my guess would be they played on the entire song and Miller erased it for the impact of the outro, The Stones love to erase stuff unless it's Keith....Jimmy wasn't big on tall tails, he had enough true ones.

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It's good but i still think MT is oversoloing here.

He indeed does plus after the first few bars he improvises while (imo) he should have duplicated note for note what he played on the studio version.

This is a "signature"/legendary solo so there's really no way to play it differently.

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

Mathijs

Your usual Taylor double-standard. One can turn it around completely and say "despite not having played with these guys onstage in forty years they managed to make magic together." Was Taylor supposed to play the solo note-for-note from the record, even though Keith and Ronnie NEVER do on ANYTHING ELSE? Taylor did fine. He hit all the right emotional spots. The Stones are having the time of their lives. The audience is thrilled. In fact, almost everyone seems to be thrilled, except you, the same person who contended only days ago that Taylor "hardly played" on Exile On Main Street.

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He created The Blind Faith album from dozens of reels with very few complete versions.

Where did you get that from?

Anyway, the stones usual way in the studio was to play everything to death until the magic appears. It could be - take 1, but if sonit's with lots of earlier attempts under their belt.

Remind me, does Bobby and Rocky play on the song part? If not why would they have them ready to record for an un planned jam section? The ending is obviously something they were already familiar with.

The Blind Faith is a long story Miller was flown to England and manufactured the album from incomplete takes as the record company was hot for the first supergroup. He pulled vocals and guitar parts from outtake reels placed them on 1/4 tapes and flew them into the masters. The band had given up on the project and left it for heroin.... According to him a courier was standing over him through out the weekend. As far as Bobby Keys or Rocky, that's the question I would ask if I had another chance, my guess would be they played on the entire song and Miller erased it for the impact of the outro, The Stones love to erase stuff unless it's Keith....Jimmy wasn't big on tall tails, he had enough true ones.

Ok it seems Jimmy was prone to some bullshitting and/or mis remembering.

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"After this tour Blind Faith returned to the studio on June 23, now under the production guidance of  Jimmy Miller, to revisit "Had to Cry Today"( 26 takes) and work up "Do What You Like" (7 takes).  June 24 saw the completion of "Do What You Like", which was carefully crafted over 6 takes and "Had to Cry Today"  completed after 17 takes .  The session ended after some work on "Sleeping in the Ground".

On the 25th they commenced work with a superb jam, retrospectively titled "Acoustic Jam".  Then "Sleeping in the Ground" was finished after 28 takes.  It was at a faster tempo then the provisional master from the 23rd.

Jimmy Miller began mixing the album.  Quite correctly "Sleeping in the Ground" was abandoned - the most insipid blues rendition Clapton has ever  performed.  But Miller saw greater potential in "Can't Find My Way Home" then had been achieved.  On the 28th they returned to the studio and adopted minimal miking for an acoustic version.  After 24 takes they selected no. 21 as the master.  Ginger Baker still considers this song the hi-light of his recording career - 'nough said." Well the dates may be correct but there was no band there from what I know just studio wizardry.

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It's really doubtful that CYHMK is really the take where they went on from song to instrumental for the first time.

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

Mathijs

Your usual Taylor double-standard. One can turn it around completely and say "despite not having played with these guys onstage in forty years they managed to make magic together." Was Taylor supposed to play the solo note-for-note from the record, even though Keith and Ronnie NEVER do on ANYTHING ELSE? Taylor did fine. He hit all the right emotional spots. The Stones are having the time of their lives. The audience is thrilled. In fact, almost everyone seems to be thrilled, except you, the same person who contended only days ago that Taylor "hardly played" on Exile On Main Street.

I don't hear any magic. He noodles around a theme he seems to barely remember And that's strange, as he has played it many times since.

I guess my expecations where higher. I expected Taylor to blow everybody off the stage with a mind boggling solo. The original solo is just 5 notes, and he must be able to build anthems around it ever since.

We are used to a Taylor playing minute-long mind boggling solo's night after night on just one or two chords in '72 and '72 -YCAGWYW and GS come to mind. We've been complaining about Wood butchering solo's on what we think is just easy stuff. And what happens now? Taylor does not have that 'wow' factor I expected of him. His solo on CYHMK is a far cry of what I thought, or expected, him to be capable off.

Same goes for Sway. That's just a bloody mess, including taylor's solo.

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

Mathijs

Lol!

He's so predictable
He's so predictable
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back!

Just joking

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Well the dates may be correct but there was no band there from what I know just studio wizardry.

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

Mathijs

Lol!

He's so predictable
He's so predictable
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back!

Just joking

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They had access to session tapes and such for the Deluxe Edition of the album and Alan O Duffy has also said stuff about his time recording Blind Faith and mixing that album with Jimmy.

There might be some studio trickery like any album has, but no way is it the major thing your story implies. It's for sure the band were recorded by Miller etc at Olympic. There's even photos of them there.

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

Well, the main solo is 5, only the second four bars has an extra passing E.

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

Well, the main solo is 5, only the second four bars has an extra passing E.

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Are you high?

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They had access to session tapes and such for the Deluxe Edition of the album and Alan O Duffy has also said stuff about his time recording Blind Faith and mixing that album with Jimmy.

There might be some studio trickery like any album has, but no way is it the major thing your story implies. It's for sure the band were recorded by Miller etc at Olympic. There's even photos of them there.

It's hard to say as he's long passed on but he told me he never saw them play a note and the recordings were "produced" by the band and he assembled and mixed it in few days. He felt bad doing it that way but he was under contract as an A&R producer and there was big money involved for a US tour that Blind Faith was determined to avoid. The only real evidence i can present is the record itself which is full of noisy generation loss and sloppy edits, the tour which was a catastrophe from all accounts and the lack of follow up album. Still it is one of my favorite albums I never let the "story" interfere with what comes out of the 2 speakers.

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NICE!!!!!! Really weird, which one is Clapton?

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

Well, the main solo is 5, only the second four bars has an extra passing E.

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Are you high?

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Is that Chris Wood in the back???? Anyhow that dispels the myth he wasn't with them at the time. I imagine part of the story is true, maybe he left for the US and came back and they hadn't finished up.. I will leave it to the rock gods, I enjoyed your posts and information. After all I did say my story was second hand.. Stones Forever, D & G

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

Mathijs

Lol!

He's so predictable
He's so predictable
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back!

Just joking

Good try, but it's "go take my wife". Keith always sang "fvck" in his back up vocals

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I guess I am the only one whom thinks this was just one big dissapointment...I find it unbelievable that after 40 years Taylor gets the chance of his lifetime to appear again with the Stones, get acknowledged and get his credit, and what happens? He starts the solo clearly not knowing what to play. He hasn't listened to the record in 40 years. So, after a few bars he goes into this lifeless fake fusion noodling again, just as he has done for the last 25 years, and he wiggles his way towards the ending. Was Taylor nervous? He was 200 times better last year on that TV show.

Only enjoyable bit was the ending where Jagger seems to point at Keith in a 'it's your turn' way, and both laugh about it. There's been stories about them avoiding eachother, and that does not seem to be true.

Mathijs

Your usual Taylor double-standard. One can turn it around completely and say "despite not having played with these guys onstage in forty years they managed to make magic together." Was Taylor supposed to play the solo note-for-note from the record, even though Keith and Ronnie NEVER do on ANYTHING ELSE? Taylor did fine. He hit all the right emotional spots. The Stones are having the time of their lives. The audience is thrilled. In fact, almost everyone seems to be thrilled, except you, the same person who contended only days ago that Taylor "hardly played" on Exile On Main Street.

I don't hear any magic. He noodles around a theme he seems to barely remember And that's strange, as he has played it many times since.

I guess my expecations where higher. I expected Taylor to blow everybody off the stage with a mind boggling solo. The original solo is just 5 notes, and he must be able to build anthems around it ever since.

We are used to a Taylor playing minute-long mind boggling solo's night after night on just one or two chords in '72 and '72 -YCAGWYW and GS come to mind. We've been complaining about Wood butchering solo's on what we think is just easy stuff. And what happens now? Taylor does not have that 'wow' factor I expected of him. His solo on CYHMK is a far cry of what I thought, or expected, him to be capable off.

Same goes for Sway. That's just a bloody mess, including taylor's solo.

Mathijs

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

Well, the main solo is 5, only the second four bars has an extra passing E.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Mathijs needs to smoke a fatty... Maybe he'll listen rather than count. With all the guitar garbage Keith and Ronnie have tossed at us how could this not be a highlight??? Granted they've done a more professional job the past six months still who can forget The Super Bowl mess??? If Mathijs doesn't like it he's entitled to his opinion but to look for little mistakes and say Mick Taylor's style stinks is just a little disrespectful to us fans who enjoyed this throughly, after all it's just a concert, we are fellow Stones fans, stop pissing on our happiest musical moment, maybe in our pathetic tone deaf lives.

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

Well, the main solo is 5, only the second four bars has an extra passing E.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Mathijs needs to smoke a fatty... Maybe he'll listen rather than count. With all the guitar garbage Keith and Ronnie have tossed at us how could this not be a highlight??? Granted they've done a more professional job the past six months still who can forget The Super Bowl mess??? If Mathijs doesn't like it he's entitled to his opinion but to look for little mistakes and say Mick Taylor's style stinks is just a little disrespectful to us fans who enjoyed this throughly, after all it's just a concert, we are fellow Stones fans, stop pissing on our happiest musical moment, maybe in our pathetic tone deaf lives.

What I love about Mathijs (and I do love him) is that keith and Ronnie basically posed and played bum notes with wild abandon for ten years (when they were playing their instruments at all). Mathijs never says a word about it. But with Taylor, each note, hesitation, glissando, bend, pull-off, hammer-on, and fart is counted and measured by some special standard that only seems to apply to him. It must take immense discipline to carry a grudge for this long and be so single-minded about it

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There are more than 5 notes in the original solo.

Well, the main solo is 5, only the second four bars has an extra passing E.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Mathijs needs to smoke a fatty... Maybe he'll listen rather than count. With all the guitar garbage Keith and Ronnie have tossed at us how could this not be a highlight??? Granted they've done a more professional job the past six months still who can forget The Super Bowl mess??? If Mathijs doesn't like it he's entitled to his opinion but to look for little mistakes and say Mick Taylor's style stinks is just a little disrespectful to us fans who enjoyed this throughly, after all it's just a concert, we are fellow Stones fans, stop pissing on our happiest musical moment, maybe in our pathetic tone deaf lives.

What I love about Mathijs (and I do love him) is that keith and Ronnie basically posed and played bum notes with wild abandon for ten years (when they were playing their instruments at all). Mathijs never says a word about it. But with Taylor, each note, hesitation, glissando, bend, pull-off, hammer-on, and fart is counted and measured by some special standard that only seems to apply to him. It must take immense discipline to carry a grudge for this long and be so single-minded about it

Hmmmm...I think the main problem is that deep inside Mathijs feels that it's him who should be playing with the band.