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You'd rather answer a question, DandelionSuperman, I put to you about when, what you call "wonkiness", started than stop posting in this thread. And about which early songs this phenomenon is at work and which not. There was one question to His Majesty there as well in a post of mine deep down on page 95 of this thread.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-07-22 01:27 by Witness.
good points.
You should also put this post (with some select edits) in these threads:
"Rumored Rolling Stones Shows 2013-2014"
"New Start Me Up Riff"
"Thanks.."
..plus the multiple Glastonbury shite that people get hard-ons about.
let's face it, most people here are one-eyed fans who would talk black and blue about "their boys" and about how "Keith is fire" or that "Ronnie nailed that solo"...all utter rubbish but it gets by and people agree with it...not that it's true.
Get used to the love for MT...that's the way it is here.
I did reply.
For more examples listen to Miss Amanda Jones, Parachute Woman, Happy, Casino Boigie, Summer Romance or Hang Fire.
No other bands sound like this, or think they can get away with it, but the Stones.
The Stones were wonky from the get-go.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-07-22 12:13 by DandelionPowderman.
When the spark stops, someone needs to start it again. I'd have hoped you could do that yourselves...
Besides, it was more like how the debate turned out I didn't wanna contribute to.
Some things will never change, that's for sure.
Marianna, this thread is not about YOU or ME. No need to play the victim.
yep +1
Lol.
Not financially.
I agree about Gary, but he really fvcked up Bitch in Hyde Park.
Lol, no.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
Witness
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Date: July 22, 2013 01:23
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DandelionPowderman
This thread's a mess...
I recall you did a promise regarding this thread. Forgotten?
You'd rather answer a question, DandelionSuperman, I put to you about when, what you call "wonkiness", started than stop posting in this thread. And about which early songs this phenomenon is at work and which not. There was one question to His Majesty there as well in a post of mine deep down on page 95 of this thread.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-07-22 01:27 by Witness.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
StonesCat
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Date: July 22, 2013 04:27
Just retitle the thread Mick Taylor. Most of us are interested in just talking about his contributions, past or present. That way those of you who are compelled to post "more songs still?, blah blah blah", can stick to all the other big stories that are occuring daily now. Free yourselves from such an apparent annoyance.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
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Date: July 22, 2013 05:49
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Jesse
Good Grief! You're still at it! Still repeating the same things and telling each other what you want to hear. This may be the longest thread but it's also the most boringly repetitive one.
Everyone gets it: you love, adore and kiss the boots of MT. You think he should play on more songs because he really really makes the Stones better. But mean insecure Mick Jagger is wary that MT might have too much influence on the band. Riiight.
Just listen to yourselves. You spew nonsense. Jagger is a superstar with or without the Stones. So are Keith, Charlie and Ronnie. They're much sought-after musicians who draw audiences and big bucks wherever they go. Unfortunately, it's MT who needs the Stones. You know that too. Sure he was important in their past -- but that was then. HE chose to leave; he wasn't fired. I'm not a bleeding heart to care if he was paid properly back then. He was a big boy and could have handled things differently if he wanted to. It's gracious of the group to bring him back, whether they felt they owe him something or just for kicks. Sure Keith said "once a Stone, always a Stone" but he said a lot of clever things like that. Mick Taylor is no longer a Stone. NOBODY thinks Taylor is a Stone.
Nobody except for the few of you on this thread who almost childishly idolize him and argue for him. (I think he'd be embarrassed by some of you. Stop acting like he's a child. You don't even know what he wants to do with the Stones.) Sure he gets applause -- hell, he's good. And audiences love seeing a past band member (of any band) make a return appearance, so they'll clap like crazy when he steps on stage. In Chicago they clapped a lot for Taylor Swift too!
MT is a wonderful guitarist but no longer fits in with the group. (Now I'm repeating myself.) I watched all the clips of this tour and I'm glad he started to smile, chat and walk around a bit. I felt sorry for him, when he played but stood like a mummy; people laughed at that.
Admit it boys and girls, most people at Stones concerts are not the music experts you folks "claim" to to be. They're talking and dancing, not listening as carefully as those of you who replay the clips on laptops 10 times. They came to see Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie. Maybe some of you saw the Stones waaay back when, but this is NOW.
MT doesn't play how the Stones want to play on stage, like it or not. Personally, I think he was getting "into" the show aspect as the tour progressed. But who calls the shots? Him? Jagger? you folks? Why should the Stones go through extra practice to fit around MT's way of noodling after all these years? You idolize the guy so of course you think they should but come on....
Instead of repeating the same things on this thread, why don't you work on getting MT more publicity or even more appearances? (Some of you pretend to know people in the industry.) Then go to his shows, make him more successful, bring him more $$$. Put him on a diet and workout regime too. It'll be better for his health and he'll be much more appealing to audiences.
You whiners could do it -- so help your idol!
good points.
You should also put this post (with some select edits) in these threads:
"Rumored Rolling Stones Shows 2013-2014"
"New Start Me Up Riff"
"Thanks.."
..plus the multiple Glastonbury shite that people get hard-ons about.
let's face it, most people here are one-eyed fans who would talk black and blue about "their boys" and about how "Keith is fire" or that "Ronnie nailed that solo"...all utter rubbish but it gets by and people agree with it...not that it's true.
Get used to the love for MT...that's the way it is here.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: July 22, 2013 06:52
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DandelionPowderman
This thread's a mess...
I recall you did a promise regarding this thread. Forgotten?
You'd rather answer a question, DandelionSuperman, I put to you about when, what you call "wonkiness", started than stop posting in this thread. And about which early songs this phenomenon is at work and which not. There was one question to His Majesty there as well in a post of mine deep down on page 95 of this thread.
I did reply.
For more examples listen to Miss Amanda Jones, Parachute Woman, Happy, Casino Boigie, Summer Romance or Hang Fire.
No other bands sound like this, or think they can get away with it, but the Stones.
The Stones were wonky from the get-go.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-07-22 12:13 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: July 22, 2013 06:55
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DandelionPowderman
This thread's a mess...
I recall you did a promise regarding this thread. Forgotten?
When the spark stops, someone needs to start it again. I'd have hoped you could do that yourselves...
Besides, it was more like how the debate turned out I didn't wanna contribute to.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
svt22
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Date: July 22, 2013 12:08
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Jesse
Marianna,
I wrote an extremely long blog -- eight paragraphs -- yet you only pay attention to my one snide comment about weight. You seem very sensitive about weight comments. Says more about you than me.
Your attitude says a lot about you. What, are you saying you think I'm fat and you imply you're thin? Guess what, I'm not fat, but I care about other people's feelings, unlike some people. But I know what kind of person signs up for a board to criticize the physical appearance of a member of a band. What does physical appearance have to do with being in a band? The only truly thin members of the Stones, anyways, are Jagger and Woods. They look anorexic and unhealthy. If that's what makes you want to throw your granny panties at the stage, so be it. It has nothing to do with music.
Some things will never change, that's for sure.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
Witness
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Date: July 22, 2013 12:36
A shorter version of my original long post, that I can't expect anybody to read:
Well, DandelionPowderman, I have been aware for decades of the characteristic about the Stones as to timing relating to the guitar of Keith Richards as leading and drums (and bass) following (and you add, playing round). I did not understand that it was this fact you alluded to by your term "raggedness"
However, one thing is to be aware of from reading about a long time ago, another is myself to be able to identify it. I made an humble confession,
My question was something else than you answered to
Well, DandelionPowderman, I have been aware for decades of the characteristic about the Stones as to timing relating to the guitar of Keith Richards as leading and drums (and bass) following (and you add, playing round). I did not understand that it was this fact you alluded to by your term "raggedness"
However, one thing is to be aware of from reading about a long time ago, another is myself to be able to identify it. I made an humble confession,
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I don't play any instruments, however, so I am not able to tell when (at which played songs or versions of songs) this phenomenon is at work, and when it is not. Maybe, it is not necessary to play an instrument, maybe, that anyone, by practise perhaps, can train up their ears' ability to notice it. Myself I am a primitive listener, I have only got my taste, so I have not got that ability so far.
My question was something else than you answered to
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Witness
Then I wonder, I do, when the "wonkiness" started. At the outset my memory seems to tell me that there was a perhaps odd mixture between Brian Jones' blues oriented guitar and Keith Richards' Chuck Berry-oriented riffs. Was it from their playing of the Chuck Berry covers during rehearsals and concerts that the upcoming "wonkiness" gradually spread among other songs played as well? All of them or only some early songs, studiowise and live? I would like to ask you, DandelionPowdwerman, to make an evaluation of songs on the first two studio albums and the German Decca compilation AROUND AND AROUND (covering most of the two early EPs and a couple of early singles):To what extent is that "wonkiness" present there on which songs?
And I also wonder,.................: Long ago I read it being said that Brian Jones lost confidence in his guitar playing over time. Rather puzzling for a musician that well capable of picking up so many instruments. Could it be possible that the development of this "wonkiness" that must be as much about Charlie Watts (and Bill Wyman) as it is about Keith Richards, might have had some influence - and understandable effect, not denigrating either on his behalf - on Brian Jones allegedly losing self-confidence in his guitar playing?
Edit: I now notice that you said in yøur latest post:Quote
DandelionPowderman
The Stones were wonky from the get-go.
My question from one that is not himself able to register it: Do you thereby state that Brian Jones was as much a part of it as Keith Richards? In that case possibly indicating that this phenomenon most of all stems from Charlie Watts (and Bill Wyman)?
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Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: July 22, 2013 14:10
It was the result of the chemistry between the guys that formed the band, Witness.
When they discovered they had a unique sound, it was only natural that they wanted to exploit that.
In their pop era in the mid-60s they tried to polish that raggedness off, but imo they didn't quite succeed with that due to their playing styles.
Their live soubd was perfected a bit in 1972/73 due to Taylor's role in the band, and Keith's diminished role.
When Ronnie came on board Keith loosened up and rapidly evolved as a guitarist. Ronnie brought even more raggedness to the band's sound.
To sum it up, a huge part of the band's ragged and dirty sound has to do with Keith, although they made this sound together. It's as evident on Under My Thumb as it is on Summer Romance, imo.
When they discovered they had a unique sound, it was only natural that they wanted to exploit that.
In their pop era in the mid-60s they tried to polish that raggedness off, but imo they didn't quite succeed with that due to their playing styles.
Their live soubd was perfected a bit in 1972/73 due to Taylor's role in the band, and Keith's diminished role.
When Ronnie came on board Keith loosened up and rapidly evolved as a guitarist. Ronnie brought even more raggedness to the band's sound.
To sum it up, a huge part of the band's ragged and dirty sound has to do with Keith, although they made this sound together. It's as evident on Under My Thumb as it is on Summer Romance, imo.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
Jesse
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Date: July 22, 2013 15:53
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Jesse
Marianna,
I wrote an extremely long blog -- eight paragraphs -- yet you only pay attention to my one snide comment about weight. You seem very sensitive about weight comments. Says more about you than me.
Your attitude says a lot about you. What, are you saying you think I'm fat and you imply you're thin? Guess what, I'm not fat, but I care about other people's feelings, unlike some people. But I know what kind of person signs up for a board to criticize the physical appearance of a member of a band. What does physical appearance have to do with being in a band? The only truly thin members of the Stones, anyways, are Jagger and Woods. They look anorexic and unhealthy. If that's what makes you want to throw your granny panties at the stage, so be it. It has nothing to do with music.
Some things will never change, that's for sure.
Marianna, this thread is not about YOU or ME. No need to play the victim.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: November 20, 2013 20:51
This is relevant again.
MORE TAYLOR PLEASE!!!
- Doxa
MORE TAYLOR PLEASE!!!
- Doxa
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
runaway
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Date: November 20, 2013 20:57
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Doxa
This is relevant again.
MORE TAYLOR PLEASE!!!
- Doxa
yep +1
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 20, 2013 21:11
More security guards for Taylor please!!!
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:12
MUCH more Taylor please!
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
crawdaddy
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:16
So glad that Mick Taylor is gonna be there for the upcoming Oz and NZ tour. Hopefully will be 4+ songs on each gig.
He deserves it. Nuff said. ><
He deserves it. Nuff said. >
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Posted by:
MCDDTLC
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:29
Our Aussie's buddies better get their Video camera's ready!!!!!!
especially when they bring Taylor out and hopefully for more than one or two songs!!!!!
MLC
especially when they bring Taylor out and hopefully for more than one or two songs!!!!!
MLC
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:29
It must feel good to be Mick Taylor. He is so loved and respected by Stones fans world over... So much good stuff has come from this, new music with him would be a real prize.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:37
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DoomandGloom
It must feel good to be Mick Taylor.
Lol.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
crawdaddy
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:46
He may have been underused on most of the gigs on this tour, but so glad he is on the last bow at end of the show.
Shows the respect he has from the rest of the lads.
Shows the respect he has from the rest of the lads.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
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Date: November 20, 2013 21:49
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Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
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Date: November 20, 2013 22:11
He's doing better than Pete Best.Quote
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It must feel good to be Mick Taylor.
Lol.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 20, 2013 22:13
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DoomandGloomHe's doing better than Pete Best.Quote
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DoomandGloom
It must feel good to be Mick Taylor.
Lol.
Not financially.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
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Date: November 20, 2013 22:29
I saw recently his numbers are on the rise he will be richer soon enough, Gibson will name guitars after him, he is a legend... but he has to turn it up in my opinion.. Gary Clarke Jr. turns The RS into a powerhouse, Taylor has been hit and miss. If it were just between them purely for stage command and no history, Clarke would win the job. Maybe he has lowered himself to the other guitarists level rather than choose to musically command. He did it once or twice on CYHMK but his unsteadiness was apparent on many other nights. With Ron Wood's gig we saw a laid back Taylor playing in the moment with beautiful intuition but getting there with a mega wattage rock machine, that's another art.Quote
His MajestyQuote
DoomandGloomHe's doing better than Pete Best.Quote
His MajestyQuote
DoomandGloom
It must feel good to be Mick Taylor.
Lol.
Not financially.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: November 20, 2013 22:37
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DoomandGloomI saw recently his numbers are on the rise he will be richer soon enough, Gibson will name guitars after him, he is a legend... but he has to turn it up in my opinion.. Gary Clarke Jr. turns The RS into a powerhouse, Taylor has been hit and miss. If it were just between them purely for stage command and no history, Clarke would win the job. Maybe he has lowered himself to the other guitarists level rather than choose to musically command. He did it once or twice on CYHMK but his unsteadiness was apparent on many other nights. With Ron Wood's gig we saw a laid back Taylor playing in the moment with beautiful intuition but getting there with a mega wattage rock machine, that's another art.Quote
His MajestyQuote
DoomandGloomHe's doing better than Pete Best.Quote
His MajestyQuote
DoomandGloom
It must feel good to be Mick Taylor.
Lol.
Not financially.
I agree about Gary, but he really fvcked up Bitch in Hyde Park.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: November 20, 2013 22:42
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DoomandGloom
I saw recently his numbers are on the rise he will be richer soon enough, Gibson will name guitars after him, he is a legend...
Lol, no.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
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Date: November 20, 2013 22:51
Send me a link if you can but that's awful... It ain't as easy as it looks kids.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
DoomandGloomI saw recently his numbers are on the rise he will be richer soon enough, Gibson will name guitars after him, he is a legend... but he has to turn it up in my opinion.. Gary Clarke Jr. turns The RS into a powerhouse, Taylor has been hit and miss. If it were just between them purely for stage command and no history, Clarke would win the job. Maybe he has lowered himself to the other guitarists level rather than choose to musically command. He did it once or twice on CYHMK but his unsteadiness was apparent on many other nights. With Ron Wood's gig we saw a laid back Taylor playing in the moment with beautiful intuition but getting there with a mega wattage rock machine, that's another art.Quote
His MajestyQuote
DoomandGloomHe's doing better than Pete Best.Quote
His MajestyQuote
DoomandGloom
It must feel good to be Mick Taylor.
Lol.
Not financially.
I agree about Gary, but he really fvcked up Bitch in Hyde Park.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
MarkSchneider
()
Date: November 4, 2014 10:43
Mick Taylor on (even a few) more songs is just as topical as ever.
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: November 4, 2014 11:35
Let's get this one past 100 pages
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: November 4, 2014 12:21
haa... it's open again! Cheers, BV!
- Doxa
- Doxa
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
DiamondDog7
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Date: November 4, 2014 12:22
Well, I'm a MT fan as well, but it's no use to complain in here on IORR. Why don't we complain on the OFFICIAL twitter page of the RS? Get it over 1,000 tweets about MT. Maybe then they will "listen" to their fans. ;-)
Re: We want Mick Taylor on more songs please
Posted by:
LieB
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Date: November 4, 2014 12:28
What nags me is that apart from Midnight Rambler they're giving him an acoustic spot on Satisfaction, which is silly. Sure, they did Sway, CYHMK, Silver Train and a few oddities with him, but they were very few and far between. My wish is that they would give Taylor one more spot in which they rotate a number of songs where he is relevant, like All Down The Line, Shine A Light, Live With Me, Honky Tonk Women, Stray Cat Blues, Street Fighting Man, Brown Sugar, Tumbling Dice, Sympathy, YCAGWYW, and so on. Why not let him play some leads on one war horse each night? Heck, he could even have a electric guitar part on the YCAGWYW encore every night. Much better than an acoustic on Satisfaction.
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