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DandelionPowderman
Arranging is not writing, just like decorating is not drawing a building, or actually building it. Bill is not featured at all on JJF, on either bass or keyboards.
When Keith isn't featured on a tune, many of you jump to the conclusion that he had nothing to do with writing the song, whilst Bill surely wrote it - how come?
Many of the songs were written on the road, not in the studio.
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DandelionPowderman
Arranging is not writing, just like decorating is not drawing a building, or actually building it. Bill is not featured at all on JJF, on either bass or keyboards.
When Keith isn't featured on a tune, many of you jump to the conclusion that he had nothing to do with writing the song, whilst Bill surely wrote it - how come?
Many of the songs were written on the road, not in the studio.
IF Bill wrote the Jumpin' Jack Flash riff it is more deserving of a co-writing ccredit than Mick writing nothing song wise for Ruby Tuesday and getting a co-writing credit or Keith writing nothing song wise for Yesterday's Papers and getting a co writing credit.
The Rolling Stones song writing credit starting point is that of a business agreement. The credits as a piece of factual information as to who wrote what is made a mess due to the fact that Mick and Keith are credited on Jagger Richards songs regardless of their actual input. This also ties in with the hinted at crediting difficulties faced by other members of the band who contributed ideas which were at the very least of equal importance to either Jagger or Richards contributions on particular songs.
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DandelionPowderman
Ideas that made the songs better, perhaps, but I suspect they usually had a song to work out that idea on. Bill's case is unique and definitely another story...
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DandelionPowderman
Arranging is not writing, just like decorating is not drawing a building, or actually building it. Bill is not featured at all on JJF, on either bass or keyboards.
When Keith isn't featured on a tune, many of you jump to the conclusion that he had nothing to do with writing the song, whilst Bill surely wrote it - how come?
Many of the songs were written on the road, not in the studio.
IF Bill wrote the Jumpin' Jack Flash riff it is more deserving of a co-writing ccredit than Mick writing nothing song wise for Ruby Tuesday and getting a co-writing credit or Keith writing nothing song wise for Yesterday's Papers and getting a co writing credit.
The Rolling Stones song writing credit starting point is that of a business agreement. The credits as a piece of factual information as to who wrote what is made a mess due to the fact that Mick and Keith are credited on Jagger Richards songs regardless of their actual input. This also ties in with the hinted at crediting difficulties faced by other members of the band who contributed ideas which were at the very least of equal importance to either Jagger or Richards contributions on particular songs.
That's fine if no one else is involved. If Keith writes 100% and wants to give half to Mick, then no problem that's their business. And vice versa if Mick writes 100%.
The problem is when there are others involved, then how does their agreement even apply? How do they over rule anyone else's input. I thought this band was a equal 5 way split...
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DandelionPowderman
Ideas that made the songs better, perhaps, but I suspect they usually had a song to work out that idea on. Bill's case is unique and definitely another story...
Charlie likely wrote the first two measures of Slave...I give him credit for that.
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And if you ask me, the riff for JJF is just a variation of the Satisfaction riff.
Some rythmic similarities, but note wise it's totally different.
Satisfaction is closer to the horns on Nowhere to Run than Jumpin' Jack Flash is to Satisfaction.
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howled
I think it's pretty well known how the Stones put their songs together from interviews and accounts from producers.
Keith would often have a riff and/or the outline of the song and a working title and Mick would often fill in the lyrics
I think that was true in the 60's, but from what I've read, Mick has been the greatest provider of song outlines for several decades now.
Mick didn't "filled in", he wrote the lyrics - no matter how Richards calls it in his book. It is not enough for him to say that he wrote all the Stones music, now he says that all the ideas for the songs are his too .
I strongly disagree that if Keith had the line Wild Horses or Beast Of Burden that the whole song is "filling" and we even don't talk about vocal melodies which were Jagger's in the majority of the songs from the beginning - I do not know what was the reason that since the second half of the 80s Richards suddenly needed to destroy the Jagger/Richards team and began claiming credit for entire Stones catalog, songs ideas and Stone's direction in generall.
this is 1994, assumed that Richards' drugs and alcohol use is more moderate than in 70s. This is "the soul" of the Stones? No way!
And exept for max 5 songs all others are Mick's lyrical ideas
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Palace Revolution 2000
I think Keith and Mick deserve the writing credit for JJF. Maybe, maybe (if Bill's story is true) they could include Bill, like they've done with Ron, Leavell, Preston in the past; citing ;'inspiration by'.
Reason for this is that yes - maybe Bill wrote the actual lick. But he would have stood there with that lick and a thumb up his a--. Could he ever have turned that lick into the anthem of rock'n roll? I have played with hundreds people like this:" that have a lick, or a great riff and solo, but no song. They are noodlers, or at best weak songwriters.
And I am not only referring to lyrics, and the words of the chorus, which are already huge. But to instinctively know how to use the lick, to not overplay it, to open it up with that chorus "it's alright", and that extra strum after "gas gas gas". 3 minutes of genius by the twins. Bill should be honored.
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DandelionPowderman
At least when they credited him, they really did it properly
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DandelionPowderman
At least when they credited him, they really did it properly