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DandelionPowderman
I think there are a few misunderstandings here
- Yes, Taylor mainly sticks to the pentatonic scale, be it in major or minor, or he is mixing those in one solo, which is very common for any guitarist.
- The above is NOT a bad thing. My guess is that Mathijs was referring to Dead Flowers on L&G as an example of how this can be done in a rather uninspired way - to illustrate that Taylor's playing on the last Stones tours at times sounded as he was bored (something he has confirmed himself).
- Ronnie Wood has never "tried" to copy Taylor's solos. He pays homeage to Taylor, where the parts of his solos are essential to the songs (All Down The Line, CYHMK, Fingerprint File's bass etc). Other times, when the solos can be improved (there are a few), f.i. on If You Can't Rock Me, Happy, Tumblin' Dice and others - the solos are totally different. The "copying" is misunderstood.
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
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DandelionPowderman
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
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lapaz62
Its rock and roll for f**K sake, no need to be a musical genius, you want to talk theory, call up Paganini or Rachmaninoff, people that thrived on it. How many filthy rich musician can't even read music or ever needed to, show them the patterns and away they go. Hendrix talked in musical colours, not much theory there.
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DoomandGloom
Funniest thing though is -Taylor didn't have a clue about all these scales and modes. Yup that Mick Taylor is a dummy who knows nothing about modes
He also played with Soft Machine. BTW This is an amazing clip.
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71Tele
Hmm...I never said Wood tried to "copy" Taylor's parts
There's plenty of times where Wood tries to copy Taylor's parts but that is part of his role..He copies Keith when it's called for as well. Wood is not the guitarist Mick is but Ronnie's era in the band still has been great and obviously built to lastQuote
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71Tele
Hmm...I never said Wood tried to "copy" Taylor's parts
ok, i'll say it then: he tried to copy taylor's parts. nice try but not quite. ronnie wood if he cood...or something.
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DoomandGloomThere's plenty of times where Wood tries to copy Taylor's parts but that is part of his role..He copies Keith when it's called for as well. Wood is not the guitarist Mick is but Ronnie's era in the band still has been great and obviously built to lastQuote
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Hmm...I never said Wood tried to "copy" Taylor's parts
ok, i'll say it then: he tried to copy taylor's parts. nice try but not quite. ronnie wood if he cood...or something.
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DandelionPowderman
I think there are a few misunderstandings here
- Yes, Taylor mainly sticks to the pentatonic scale, be it in major or minor, or he is mixing those in one solo, which is very common for any guitarist.
- The above is NOT a bad thing. My guess is that Mathijs was referring to Dead Flowers on L&G as an example of how this can be done in a rather uninspired way - to illustrate that Taylor's playing on the last Stones tours at times sounded as he was bored (something he has confirmed himself).
- Ronnie Wood has never "tried" to copy Taylor's solos. He pays homeage to Taylor, where the parts of his solos are essential to the songs (All Down The Line, CYHMK, Fingerprint File's bass etc). Other times, when the solos can be improved (there are a few), f.i. on If You Can't Rock Me, Happy, Tumblin' Dice and others - the solos are totally different. The "copying" is misunderstood.
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
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71Tele
Hmm...I never said Wood tried to "copy" Taylor's parts
ok, i'll say it then: he tried to copy taylor's parts. nice try but not quite. ronnie wood if he cood...or something.
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DandelionPowderman
I think there are a few misunderstandings here
- Yes, Taylor mainly sticks to the pentatonic scale, be it in major or minor, or he is mixing those in one solo, which is very common for any guitarist.
- The above is NOT a bad thing. My guess is that Mathijs was referring to Dead Flowers on L&G as an example of how this can be done in a rather uninspired way - to illustrate that Taylor's playing on the last Stones tours at times sounded as he was bored (something he has confirmed himself).
- Ronnie Wood has never "tried" to copy Taylor's solos. He pays homeage to Taylor, where the parts of his solos are essential to the songs (All Down The Line, CYHMK, Fingerprint File's bass etc). Other times, when the solos can be improved (there are a few), f.i. on If You Can't Rock Me, Happy, Tumblin' Dice and others - the solos are totally different. The "copying" is misunderstood.
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
Tumblin dice was so much better with Taylor. Happy too although the overdubbed LYL version has a great blueprint for Ronnie's solo. Pity he never learned to play it live also. If you cant rock me is much better with Ronnie though. In 1975 of course.
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Happy too although the overdubbed LYL version has a great blueprint for Ronnie's solo. Pity he never learned to play it live also. If you cant rock me is much better with Ronnie though. In 1975 of course.
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DoomandGloom
Ronnie on steel guitar for Happy doesn't cut it. When did he start doing that?
A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...Quote
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DoomandGloom
Ronnie on steel guitar for Happy doesn't cut it. When did he start doing that?
i don't think it's steel guitar...it's just a regular guitar that he's playing on a tabletop with his slide for convenience's sake...kinda robert randolph-style or the way jeff healey used to do it.
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DoomandGloom
A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
I got it "Hawaiian guitar"Quote
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DoomandGloom
A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
It's a freakin' lap steel on a stand.
Sheesh...
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
It's a freakin' lap steel on a stand.
Sheesh...
It can't be a lap steel without a lap?
then it's not a lap steel. c'mon, man. wake up.
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
It's a freakin' lap steel on a stand.
Sheesh...
then it's not a lap steel. c'mon, man. wake up.
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
It's a freakin' lap steel on a stand.
Sheesh...
then it's not a lap steel. c'mon, man. wake up.
can it be a pedal steel without any pedals? well, can it??
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
It's a freakin' lap steel on a stand.
Sheesh...
then it's not a lap steel. c'mon, man. wake up.
can it be a pedal steel without any pedals? well, can it??
Well, that would just be a steel guitar, or a table steel, as they were sometimes called. Someone got the brilliant idea to add pedals to a steel guitar and behold: The pedal steel. But the lap steel was around on its own. First electric guitar of any kind, in fact. But I guess without a lap it's a bad name.
Hey, the stand-up bass was just called a "bass" until the arrival of the electric bass (not "bass guitar" - I don't want to have that argument again).
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A lap guitar then? Or a steel guitar without pedals, whatever you call it Ronnie plays better when using a regular guitar. He didn't nail it once in the 5 shows...
wasn't on his lap, so can't call it that. and it's not a steel guitar, per se. sigh. can we just call it that silly-looking-guitar-thing-that-he-puts-on-a-tabletop-so-he-can-play-happy-whilst-sitting-down-cos-he's-tired? just easier this way.
It's a freakin' lap steel on a stand.
Sheesh...
then it's not a lap steel. c'mon, man. wake up.
can it be a pedal steel without any pedals? well, can it??
Well, that would just be a steel guitar, or a table steel, as they were sometimes called. Someone got the brilliant idea to add pedals to a steel guitar and behold: The pedal steel. But the lap steel was around on its own. First electric guitar of any kind, in fact. But I guess without a lap it's a bad name.
Hey, the stand-up bass was just called a "bass" until the arrival of the electric bass (not "bass guitar" - I don't want to have that argument again).
rocknroll isn't supposed to make you think. it's for morons like us who really have to stretch out of our comfort zone to think.
can't we just called them all geetars and be done with it?
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DandelionPowderman
I think there are a few misunderstandings here
- Yes, Taylor mainly sticks to the pentatonic scale, be it in major or minor, or he is mixing those in one solo, which is very common for any guitarist.
- The above is NOT a bad thing. My guess is that Mathijs was referring to Dead Flowers on L&G as an example of how this can be done in a rather uninspired way - to illustrate that Taylor's playing on the last Stones tours at times sounded as he was bored (something he has confirmed himself).
- Ronnie Wood has never "tried" to copy Taylor's solos. He pays homeage to Taylor, where the parts of his solos are essential to the songs (All Down The Line, CYHMK, Fingerprint File's bass etc). Other times, when the solos can be improved (there are a few), f.i. on If You Can't Rock Me, Happy, Tumblin' Dice and others - the solos are totally different. The "copying" is misunderstood.
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
Tumblin dice was so much better with Taylor. Happy too although the overdubbed LYL version has a great blueprint for Ronnie's solo. Pity he never learned to play it live also. If you cant rock me is much better with Ronnie though. In 1975 of course.
Happy is an interesting case, because he actually has to copy Richards' lead from the record on that. Taylor did his own thing on Happy in '72 and '73, which had little to do with what was on the record. I think Wood's Happy was very, very good these last shows, but he was still basically aping Keith's slide part from the record. Perhaps he improved a little bit on it.
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DandelionPowderman
I think there are a few misunderstandings here
- Yes, Taylor mainly sticks to the pentatonic scale, be it in major or minor, or he is mixing those in one solo, which is very common for any guitarist.
- The above is NOT a bad thing. My guess is that Mathijs was referring to Dead Flowers on L&G as an example of how this can be done in a rather uninspired way - to illustrate that Taylor's playing on the last Stones tours at times sounded as he was bored (something he has confirmed himself).
- Ronnie Wood has never "tried" to copy Taylor's solos. He pays homeage to Taylor, where the parts of his solos are essential to the songs (All Down The Line, CYHMK, Fingerprint File's bass etc). Other times, when the solos can be improved (there are a few), f.i. on If You Can't Rock Me, Happy, Tumblin' Dice and others - the solos are totally different. The "copying" is misunderstood.
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
Tumblin dice was so much better with Taylor. Happy too although the overdubbed LYL version has a great blueprint for Ronnie's solo. Pity he never learned to play it live also. If you cant rock me is much better with Ronnie though. In 1975 of course.
Happy is an interesting case, because he actually has to copy Richards' lead from the record on that. Taylor did his own thing on Happy in '72 and '73, which had little to do with what was on the record. I think Wood's Happy was very, very good these last shows, but he was still basically aping Keith's slide part from the record. Perhaps he improved a little bit on it.
It's only recently that Woody started to play around with Keith's solo. Since 1975 he played a solo he came up with himself, not based on Richards' or Taylor's solo.
The only Taylor solos I enjoyed on Happy was when he played slide. The country licks (that it also the case with Tumblin' Dice and Dead Flowers, imo) tend to grow a bit boring after a few seconds, imo.
But the 1973-solos with slide were fantastic. So were Wood's solos between 1975 and 1978.
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I think there are a few misunderstandings here
- Yes, Taylor mainly sticks to the pentatonic scale, be it in major or minor, or he is mixing those in one solo, which is very common for any guitarist.
- The above is NOT a bad thing. My guess is that Mathijs was referring to Dead Flowers on L&G as an example of how this can be done in a rather uninspired way - to illustrate that Taylor's playing on the last Stones tours at times sounded as he was bored (something he has confirmed himself).
- Ronnie Wood has never "tried" to copy Taylor's solos. He pays homeage to Taylor, where the parts of his solos are essential to the songs (All Down The Line, CYHMK, Fingerprint File's bass etc). Other times, when the solos can be improved (there are a few), f.i. on If You Can't Rock Me, Happy, Tumblin' Dice and others - the solos are totally different. The "copying" is misunderstood.
- AND: If you have played guitar a few years, you'll find that it's not hard, not at all, to play what Taylor plays. However, it's very hard to play it as beautiful as he did when he was on top of his game (Ya Ya's: SCB, SFTD).
Tumblin dice was so much better with Taylor. Happy too although the overdubbed LYL version has a great blueprint for Ronnie's solo. Pity he never learned to play it live also. If you cant rock me is much better with Ronnie though. In 1975 of course.
Happy is an interesting case, because he actually has to copy Richards' lead from the record on that. Taylor did his own thing on Happy in '72 and '73, which had little to do with what was on the record. I think Wood's Happy was very, very good these last shows, but he was still basically aping Keith's slide part from the record. Perhaps he improved a little bit on it.
It's only recently that Woody started to play around with Keith's solo. Since 1975 he played a solo he came up with himself, not based on Richards' or Taylor's solo.
The only Taylor solos I enjoyed on Happy was when he played slide. The country licks (that it also the case with Tumblin' Dice and Dead Flowers, imo) tend to grow a bit boring after a few seconds, imo.
But the 1973-solos with slide were fantastic. So were Wood's solos between 1975 and 1978.
Boring? I can't see how anyone can be bored by what Taylor did on stage with Tumbling Dice, but there you have it...