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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
Not simplistic - that implies dumb and, in this case, a monkey could have played his part. Simple is the correct term.
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I cant be the only person who thinks that the Sax solo on Waiting on a Friend was overdubbed almost note for note from a Mick Taylor guitar solo...can I?
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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
Not simplistic - that implies dumb and, in this case, a monkey could have played his part. Simple is the correct term.
Of course there might be some 'lost in translation', as I am not a native English speaker. The nuances of insignificant, simplistic and simple are not all that natural for us non-native English speakers.
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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
Not simplistic - that implies dumb and, in this case, a monkey could have played his part. Simple is the correct term.
Of course there might be some 'lost in translation', as I am not a native English speaker. The nuances of insignificant, simplistic and simple are not all that natural for us non-native English speakers.
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I guess you simply have a simple command of English then, or am I being too simplistic?
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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
Not simplistic - that implies dumb and, in this case, a monkey could have played his part. Simple is the correct term.
Of course there might be some 'lost in translation', as I am not a native English speaker. The nuances of insignificant, simplistic and simple are not all that natural for us non-native English speakers.
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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
Not simplistic - that implies dumb and, in this case, a monkey could have played his part. Simple is the correct term.
Of course there might be some 'lost in translation', as I am not a native English speaker. The nuances of insignificant, simplistic and simple are not all that natural for us non-native English speakers.
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I guess you simply have a simple command of English then, or am I being too simplistic?
How's your Dutch? German? French? Danish?
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If it was Jimi Hendrix on guitar I would have said it was an insignificant Jimi Hendrix guitar part.
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Insignificant guitar part? Maybe simplistic is a better description and I'd even bet it was that guitar part which birthed the entire song. The spark. That is never insignificant, imho. The nuances of that rhythm is what gives the vocal and sax a platform to spring from.
No one thing seems insignificant in the Stones songs recorded in the Jimmy Miller era. peace
Not simplistic - that implies dumb and, in this case, a monkey could have played his part. Simple is the correct term.
Of course there might be some 'lost in translation', as I am not a native English speaker. The nuances of insignificant, simplistic and simple are not all that natural for us non-native English speakers.
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Ha ha. OK, sorry about that. Someone was aping about that word the other day, it stuck in my mind. Didn't know - it's difficult, sometimes, to remember who lives where etc here.
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Taylor hater? What a bollocks. But it is true that I am of the opinion that the second guitarists Jones/Taylor/Wood all are of much lesser importance than many on this board would like to believe. The Stones really are Watts/Jagger/Richards, and added with Bill Wyman live. I think Taylor was brilliant on the 72 and 73 tour, had a tendency to really overplay on the 69 to 71 tours, and had very limited input on the records they produced. I like the Wood years more, but not because of Wood or because Taylor was gone -I just find the band a much better, tighter and more aggressive band from 75 to 81.
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Which is a matter of perception and taste of course.
Who says otherwise?
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Limited input? He was collaborater with Jagger (instead of Richards) on songs like Moonlight Mile, Sway, Winter, Time Waits For No One, etc. I just don't buy the argument that Taylor was merely a soloist and that anyone could have had the same inpact on the band's music during this period. And he "overplayed" on the '69 tour? Are you kidding?
That's not really much is it, one or two tracks per classic album. And on those classic albums he's not very upfront on Exile...And he wasn't able to save Goats ead and IORR now was he? I just don't think Taylor was that great in the studio. That might not be his fault because Stones music is not written to accomodate scorching lead guitars, and next to a Keith Richards there isn't much room anymore.
I do find his playing on the 69 tour, and even more so on the 70 and 71 tour to be close to noodling much of the time. For whatever reason it suddenly all came together on the 1972 tour, where he just was able to rip out fantastic solo's night after night. On the 73 tour he was great one night, and bored the other night.
Look, Taylor was a fantastic guitarist. He was melodically fantastic. But he is, in my opinion, not in the 'wow' department, he never was a guitarist that really blows my socks off. When I listen to Duane Allman on those 1970 festival gigs I just lay my guitar down and listen in awe. He's unreal. The same with Peter Green when he still had it together. Jan Akkerman had that. Brian May, Slash. Clapton with the Dominoes, they had it.
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Not a "wow" guitarist? Pfft, you couldn't be more wrong. He's one of the greatest. Do you really think he would have been in the Bluesbreakers if he were subpar to fill the shoes of some of the other greats? He was Slash's guitar hero. He was an influence on a lot of other guitarists who probably have no idea that he was. When it comes to rock guitar, I think Jimi Hendrix and Mick Taylor played with the most taste when it came to solos. What about Dead Flowers from Ladies And Gentlemen...are you guys deaf? Can you play a better solo on those songs? I highly doubt it. He is not an easy guitarist to emulate because he played so differently. I learned how to play those solos after years of listening. I picked up Jimi Hendrix style a lot easier. MT was difficult since he is playing in a melody more often than most guitarists who are soloing in a scale.
I'm sorry for anyone who doesn't think the solos that he played on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out are not wow material. Sympathy For The Devil and Midnight Rambler from that album are some of the best solos of all freaking time! There is no way you have natural musical ability if you can't "hear" his talent for melody. Plus he never played the same way twice either, he was always creative and always in the moment musically. He's brilliant. You really must listen again.
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Who cares what scales MT was playing( Penatonic or adding notes from major scales) MT was an expressive player with god gifted technique that you can not teach a player. I think one of the best solos ever was his solo on Stray Cat Blues from ya ya's - They should play that solo as you enter the rock and roll hall of fame.
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MT's studio contributions - The best stones ballad ever Moonlight Mile would not of got done without MT or it would of been different in some way and not as great if they used another guitarist other then MT. The bottom line it was MT and he contributed. The ending looping outro solo is timless and that is MT's stamp. Sway would of not as been as great without MT and so on. MT could never break the jagger/richards song writing empire and three was a crowd and he was forced out. But songs like 100 Years Ago where jagger starts to explore is vocal lines were greatly helped by MT's melodic presence.
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So this goes on here every time the subject of MT comes Up?? Taylor's accomplishments in the band begin with him being able to fit into an already highly successful act. He then raised the bar for them as musicians and contributed to updating their game, making them sound fresh heading into the 70's while their contemporaries were calling it quits. His mellow stage persona was all his own as he made his own way turning a pop band into a blues powerhouse. Duane Allman is often mentioned as a player Taylor is not but Duane is not a subtle as Taylor who somehow retained all that was good about the Stones and then made it greater. Standing toe to toe with the greatest band in the world, playing with exceptional vibrato and landmark guitar tone while making himself an icon for guitarists for generations to come puts Taylor in a special place beyond nerdy deconstruction of the scales he played.
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His mellow stage persona was all his own as he made his own way turning a pop band into a blues powerhouse.
Sympathy is def a pop song, MR not so much.. I am very surprised there's so little respect for Taylor here especially since for 30 years we've been listening to incomplete solos from the dynamic duo. Yes I love Woody and would hug him given the chance, Keith too but when the music counted and The Stones made their legacy that mowed over The Beatles Taylor's late 60's contemporary style was the lead man.Quote
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His mellow stage persona was all his own as he made his own way turning a pop band into a blues powerhouse.
Yeah I hate those fluffy pop tunes like Sympathy for the Devil and Midnight Rambler they did before Taylor joined.
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....but what if Mick don't get along with my friend??....