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Kind of like if a Stones shows happen inthewoodsParis and no real fans are there to see/hear it... did it really happen?
Don't worry, this is how it will go down...
1) Verbal reports that Keith was great
2) Short video that indicates he was anything but.
3) Shill-ish types yelling at us not to believe our own eyes.
This has been the pattern since the Apollo and I fully expect it to last up
until and probably right thru the pay-per-view. In fact I would go so far as to
say that the Keith sucks/doesn't suck debate will be with us for the rest of their
career. Its the the new version of Taylor/Wood I'm afraid.
And its not just the hardcore. If you look at the comments for the one-minute
JJF on youtube, its there too. Its everywhere.
And how long can the Stones last with at least half the people who love them
thinking that Keith, in order to preserve what's left of their legacy, should
give it the fcuk up already?
We shall see.
Are you planning to attend any concerts to form your own opinion or are you only interested in internet jousts ? I must have said it ten times before but Keith was 4 meters away from me the other days, sometimes less and he certainly didn't embarrass himself or the band at the Trebando, and the fans were overjoyed, looks like it's a good deal for all involved, no?
So have anyone compared the setlists ? I haven't bothered yet ;-)
I don't know about superrevvy but I saw about 13% of the gig and that was enough for me to say what I had to say about it.
I don't mind that you saw the first (12 song warm up) show since 5 years and think it's great...
And of course there are plenty of fans who would be 'overjoyed' and think 'it's a good deal for all involved.'
But tell me: how do you know Keith 'certainly didn't embarrass himself.'?
In any case: he did embarrass me. Again.
And I really do hope he will do better in the near future, don't get me wrong.
You're not judging by the low-fi clips + the 1 minute trebly-sounding JJF-video here? Do you really think that's enough to jump to such conclusions on?
Together with the observation made at the Mogador "Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum"...yes, that doesn't take away my embarrassment Dandy. It even makes me feel a little sorry...to see people write about him like that. To hear him play in the clips like that.
And it doesn't take away the fact that I hope he will do better in the near future. So again I'm not the one who's whining. Such bad readers here... Gosh I like their music, even after '81. Well not all of it. Not DW and stuff. But VL was ok and that tour too. I hope as much as you guys they will play a couple of great shows. But that doesn't make me blind or deaf and cheer about every chord they play. Especially when they play like this; not good (yet?) and Keith worries me like I said before "things don't look good." Again (!): I wish it was different! But it isn't.
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Kind of like if a Stones shows happen inthewoodsParis and no real fans are there to see/hear it... did it really happen?
Don't worry, this is how it will go down...
1) Verbal reports that Keith was great
2) Short video that indicates he was anything but.
3) Shill-ish types yelling at us not to believe our own eyes.
This has been the pattern since the Apollo and I fully expect it to last up
until and probably right thru the pay-per-view. In fact I would go so far as to
say that the Keith sucks/doesn't suck debate will be with us for the rest of their
career. Its the the new version of Taylor/Wood I'm afraid.
And its not just the hardcore. If you look at the comments for the one-minute
JJF on youtube, its there too. Its everywhere.
And how long can the Stones last with at least half the people who love them
thinking that Keith, in order to preserve what's left of their legacy, should
give it the fcuk up already?
We shall see.
Are you planning to attend any concerts to form your own opinion or are you only interested in internet jousts ? I must have said it ten times before but Keith was 4 meters away from me the other days, sometimes less and he certainly didn't embarrass himself or the band at the Trebando, and the fans were overjoyed, looks like it's a good deal for all involved, no?
So have anyone compared the setlists ? I haven't bothered yet ;-)
I don't know about superrevvy but I saw about 13% of the gig and that was enough for me to say what I had to say about it.
I don't mind that you saw the first (12 song warm up) show since 5 years and think it's great...
And of course there are plenty of fans who would be 'overjoyed' and think 'it's a good deal for all involved.'
But tell me: how do you know Keith 'certainly didn't embarrass himself.'?
In any case: he did embarrass me. Again.
And I really do hope he will do better in the near future, don't get me wrong.
You're not judging by the low-fi clips + the 1 minute trebly-sounding JJF-video here? Do you really think that's enough to jump to such conclusions on?
Together with the observation made at the Mogador "Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum"...yes, that doesn't take away my embarrassment Dandy. It even makes me feel a little sorry...to see people write about him like that. To hear him play in the clips like that.
And it doesn't take away the fact that I hope he will do better in the near future. So again I'm not the one who's whining. Such bad readers here... Gosh I like their music, even after '81. Well not all of it. Not DW and stuff. But VL was ok and that tour too. I hope as much as you guys they will play a couple of great shows. But that doesn't make me blind or deaf and cheer about every chord they play. Especially when they play like this; not good (yet?) and Keith worries me like I said before "things don't look good." Again (!): I wish it was different! But it isn't.
You should stop worrying after hearing the clip with When The Whip Comes Down. Good rhythm, and choosing his licks with thought, like he used to back in the day. It's not Keith's fault that Shattered is a bit slow like the studio version.
Keith is imo not the weak link in the JJF-clip either, how on earth can you say that?
The poster with the review didn't take the fact into consideration that most of the tracks were open G-songs.
So, there you have it. Stop worrying!
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Keith is imo not the weak link in the JJF-clip either, how on earth can you say that?
So, there you have it. Stop worrying!
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The Mogador show has just been upped at Dime :
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It was truly magic to see the 69 year old doing his thing !"
No don't thank me! ><
This is the most interesting post in the whole thread. Unfortunately I don't do
Dime. But a lot of you do. How about some reviews?
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You're quoting yourself, it's not that show.
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
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@Justin - my thoughts exactly on that review, he was already harping on Keith in his review of Trabendo, and I didn't recognize what I saw with my own eyes 3 meters away from Keith. He takes great pictures but I don't think he knows the Stones well enough to be passing judgement like that. DoctorStones' and PierreQuiRoule's reviews are more interesting in that respect.Quote
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And obviously he plays the guitar in HTW not something you can do if you're standing there "Brian Wilson" style like some reviews would let you think.
So no IORRians were inside after all?
It will be interesting to hear what he does in that one.
That's the acid test.
He famously messed that up a few times in the last tour, playing in the wrong key - or maybe the right notes but not necessarily in the right order :-)
Ok I've now heard from someone who was there and who knows his stuff and said that he was fine on HTW and played the whole solo, not something you can do if you're in "Brian Wilson" mode.
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
Well you have the same rights indeed Dandy!
But...I'm not at all on the negative side! Example: It's great to see MJ move like he still does. I even admire him for it. How fit he is can really be an example. But at the same time that's not a contribution to his vocal qualities; for that he really should move less. So I am positive but at the same time I can criticize them.
And I don't mind they play for rich bankers, but I think it's stupid to hide information about it...we ain't stupid! They can win a lot of fans back if they just act normal about those things and give us the setlist and stuff on time like they used twitter at the Trabendo.
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Then again, it's only a 1 min clip...
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
Well you have the same rights indeed Dandy!
But...I'm not at all on the negative side! Example: It's great to see MJ move like he still does. I even admire him for it. How fit he is can really be an example. But at the same time that's not a contribution to his vocal qualities; for that he really should move less. So I am positive but at the same time I can criticize them.
And I don't mind they play for rich bankers, but I think it's stupid to hide information about it...we ain't stupid! They can win a lot of fans back if they just act normal about those things and give us the setlist and stuff on time like they used twitter at the Trabendo.
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One wonders what iorr from Tokyo 1990 has to do with that, by the way ('mogador playlist' youtube, well...)
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
Well you have the same rights indeed Dandy!
But...I'm not at all on the negative side! Example: It's great to see MJ move like he still does. I even admire him for it. How fit he is can really be an example. But at the same time that's not a contribution to his vocal qualities; for that he really should move less. So I am positive but at the same time I can criticize them.
And I don't mind they play for rich bankers, but I think it's stupid to hide information about it...we ain't stupid! They can win a lot of fans back if they just act normal about those things and give us the setlist and stuff on time like they used twitter at the Trabendo.
No secrets here. They posted it on their site
SET LIST FOR THE ROLLING STONES’ SECRET GIG AT THE MOGADOR, PARIS
The Rolling Stones played a secret gig at le Théâtre Mogador in Paris last night. After playing their first gig in over five years on Thursday, the band waited less than five days to play their next, this time at the 1,800 capacity venue.
The band for the show comprised of Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Ronnie Wood, along with long-term members of the Stones’ touring band, Darryl Jones, Chuck Leavell and Bernard Fowler.
SET LIST
It’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll (But I Like It)
All Down The Line
You Got Me Rocking
Tumbling Dice
Miss You
You Can’t Always Get What You Want
Doom And Gloom
Midnight Rambler
Start Me Up
Honky Tonk Women
Jumping Jack Flash
ENCORE
Brown Sugar
[www.rollingstones.com]
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please MOGADOR show from dime (direct link??)
thanzzzz
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
Well you have the same rights indeed Dandy!
But...I'm not at all on the negative side! Example: It's great to see MJ move like he still does. I even admire him for it. How fit he is can really be an example. But at the same time that's not a contribution to his vocal qualities; for that he really should move less. So I am positive but at the same time I can criticize them.
And I don't mind they play for rich bankers, but I think it's stupid to hide information about it...we ain't stupid! They can win a lot of fans back if they just act normal about those things and give us the setlist and stuff on time like they used twitter at the Trabendo.
Good, I like THAT tone Of course, there will always be a lot to pick on musically when we're talking about the Stones, always has. Mick didn't actually SING much on the 73-78 tours either, and certainly not on JJF (that was my point earlier, just listen to LYL).
I support balanced criticism. In my world it'll be something like this (re the JJF-clip): A bit too slow, Keith steady on guitar, Ronnie a bit to modest on guitar, Charlie a bit rusty. Mick starts the clip out way cool, but loses his breath after a while. All in all, a better sounding JJF compared to the last tours.
Then again, it's only a 1 min clip...
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
Well you have the same rights indeed Dandy!
But...I'm not at all on the negative side! Example: It's great to see MJ move like he still does. I even admire him for it. How fit he is can really be an example. But at the same time that's not a contribution to his vocal qualities; for that he really should move less. So I am positive but at the same time I can criticize them.
And I don't mind they play for rich bankers, but I think it's stupid to hide information about it...we ain't stupid! They can win a lot of fans back if they just act normal about those things and give us the setlist and stuff on time like they used twitter at the Trabendo.
Good, I like THAT tone Of course, there will always be a lot to pick on musically when we're talking about the Stones, always has. Mick didn't actually SING much on the 73-78 tours either, and certainly not on JJF (that was my point earlier, just listen to LYL).
I support balanced criticism. In my world it'll be something like this (re the JJF-clip): A bit too slow, Keith steady on guitar, Ronnie a bit to modest on guitar, Charlie a bit rusty. Mick starts the clip out way cool, but loses his breath after a while. All in all, a better sounding JJF compared to the last tours.
Then again, it's only a 1 min clip...
In my world: sorry guys this is just too slow, Keith shaky and insecure and not steady enough, Ronnie undefined underconstructive, Charlie as an average drummer, Mick out of breath or not in the mike. All in all not good at all.
Then again, I saw only around 3hundred shows so far.
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Then again, it's only a 1 min clip...
Which in itself is rather surprising. It seems like some "official" production, but I
can not think of a reason why the officials did not take the trouble offilmingreleasing a song
in its complete glory.
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Yep, Dreamer, and you have every right to believe what you want.
Still, you're on the negative side here, and it's good that you hope I'm right
And let's get real here, you have the same information as me, visually and audio-wise. Therefore, you're a bit hasty by concluding, imo. Because that's what you do, you're not saying "I hope", you're saying "this is bad"
Well you have the same rights indeed Dandy!
But...I'm not at all on the negative side! Example: It's great to see MJ move like he still does. I even admire him for it. How fit he is can really be an example. But at the same time that's not a contribution to his vocal qualities; for that he really should move less. So I am positive but at the same time I can criticize them.
And I don't mind they play for rich bankers, but I think it's stupid to hide information about it...we ain't stupid! They can win a lot of fans back if they just act normal about those things and give us the setlist and stuff on time like they used twitter at the Trabendo.
No secrets here. They posted it on their site
SET LIST FOR THE ROLLING STONES’ SECRET GIG AT THE MOGADOR, PARIS
The Rolling Stones played a secret gig at le Théâtre Mogador in Paris last night. After playing their first gig in over five years on Thursday, the band waited less than five days to play their next, this time at the 1,800 capacity venue.
The band for the show comprised of Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Ronnie Wood, along with long-term members of the Stones’ touring band, Darryl Jones, Chuck Leavell and Bernard Fowler.
SET LIST
It’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll (But I Like It)
All Down The Line
You Got Me Rocking
Tumbling Dice
Miss You
You Can’t Always Get What You Want
Doom And Gloom
Midnight Rambler
Start Me Up
Honky Tonk Women
Jumping Jack Flash
ENCORE
Brown Sugar
[www.rollingstones.com]
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Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 30, 2012 17:22
And just "secret gig"...giving no information about the fact that they were hired by a couple of top notch investment bank to play for their managers and clients and that no fans were allowed inside while there was plenty of space for 200 of them. Sold their soul but not sold out.
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Of course, one could interpret the first gig as one pleases, or is honest to one's senses. What especially bothers me is that the bankers - or doctors or whatevers - gig was seemingly agreed earlier and the 'warm-up-gig' afterwards, and the latter rather quickly or spontaniously, in the very last minute. Of course, one could now explain this by saying that the band felt rusty and wanted to do a warm-up gig in order to be in perfect condition for the big money gig.
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It is just that all the negative things associated makes it hard to enjoy the good things.
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Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 30, 2012 17:22
And just "secret gig"...giving no information about the fact that they were hired by a couple of top notch investment bank to play for their managers and clients and that no fans were allowed inside while there was plenty of space for 200 of them. Sold their soul but not sold out.
It's the music "business". The Stones can do whatever they want, and I don't see a problem with getting the feel of live playing again and making a sh!t load
of money on the way.
I also don't see the problem with a small group of bankers and rich people having the privilege to see the Stones. I don't see it as discrimination to "real fans".
And I also think there is no need to descriminate against rich people and assume none of them are fans or they don't deserve the treat.
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Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum which is very worrying. Ronnie is now holding the house together taking all the lead.
And I don't particularly put much stock in this guy's comment here about Ronnie taking all the leads and Keith's playing is at a minimum. I have a feeling this dude really doesn't know the Stones music well enough and he may be misinterpreting the guitar parts, confusing Keith's role as the "guitar God" who takes all the solos and still does all the riffs. He may have been surprised to realize that Ronnie takes most of the solos while Keith has always stuck to rhythm. The blogger is probably just unfamiliar.