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Does anyone know who's playing bass?
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big4
I just listened to the last three Stones singles=PMS, NSP and now Doom. All I can say is that Doom combined with ABB and the four 2002 tracks show that, for better or worse, the band has attempted to redefine their sound for the digital age. There is a mechanical sound to all their 2000's material, that reflects the Pro Tools era.
Although they've stripped down their sound to an almost garage-rock aesthetic, that attempt is undercut by them relying too much on technology in the recording and mixing process (not helped at all by the ridiculous "brickwalling" labels use nowadays). Despite their sparse output in the 21st century, the 2000's Stones have a distinctly different sound than the 20th century model. "Doom And Gloom" is the apex of this so far, particularly the lyric version.
The sad part is that Mick didn't really have to go so far to redefine the essence of the band's sound. The qualities and subtleties which made Plundered as well as No Spare Parts Stones songs are still appreciated by music fans and bands. Doom And Gloom is like Mick's "One Last Shot" at a hit and he's tried so hard to make it that, and the band sound current, that he's lost the simple ingredients that makes a Stones song. Which is that subtle interplay between the various instruments, the slightly off-beat rhythm and the rich sound of the instruments in the mix as well as groove. None of those things are present in Doom And Gloom, it's dance song you can't dance to! And for the most part, that applies to the Stones recorded 21st century output.
On it's own, Doom And Gloom isn't a bad song but despite having the ingredients (harp, organ, guitars, drums, defiant vocals) which has helped define the Stones sound it sounds nothing like anything they've done before. And that necessarily isn't a good thing.
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..it's only doom and gloom but.....well, you know.. nobody does a track like this better than the Stones....jamming, fun, lightweight, meaningless, meat and potatoes rock and roll with attitude and a bit of swagger. Not gonna change the world but a welcome relief to the avalanche of pure $#@%^& out there these days....and i like it...
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Max'sKansasCity
Never figured you for being a Foreigner fan tele, but I guess I have heard stranger things.... btw- I think they kind of suck... so again we disagree.
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Max'sKansasCity
Never figured you for being a Foreigner fan tele, but I guess I have heard stranger things.... btw- I think they kind of suck... so again we disagree.
I hate Foreigner. It's dumbass white rock music for 14 year old boys. My point was that the Stones never have been that. This drum sound though, is the most un-Stoneslike thing I have ever heard. I don't know if it's a drum machine, the Stones entering the "digital age" (as one poster put it) or whether poor Charlie was made to play along to Mick's existing demo track, but it's awful. It's mere "rock" (rather than rock & roll) which from me is about the worst thing I can say about it. At least even on the weakest material there was that beat, now they've taken that away too.
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Sometimes this board is crazier than that cheerleading nut that just recently quit posting around here.
Let me see if I follow: Mick's the bad guy now, and we won't be happy unless we get a song that sounds like a deep cut from Main Offender. I guess the secret to IORR popularity amongst members of the Stones is to stay out of the limelight. Bill and Mick Taylor would be well advised to stay away if they want to keep their reputations intact.
I guess the era of Keith-bashing is over (at least until his song comes out).
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Blueranger
I think its sad.
The so-called fanbase are actually saying to the Stones, they should have stayed out of the studio and should not have recorded this song.
People are complaining about the sound. Well, guess what, it's not 1978 anymore. The Stones have moved on in contrast to their so-called fans, who still thinks they are gonna sound like they did 40 years ago.
Listen to the iTunes version of this song. Its all there. Played by real.
And for the Radio Mix of this, well if you are gonna get played nowadays, you must upgrade.
Respect to the Stones for making one version for the general public and one to their fans. Oh, wait forget the last mentioned. The fans doesnt listen anyway...
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Max'sKansasCity
Never figured you for being a Foreigner fan tele, but I guess I have heard stranger things.... btw- I think they kind of suck... so again we disagree.
I hate Foreigner. It's dumbass white rock music for 14 year old boys. My point was that the Stones never have been that. This drum sound though, is the most un-Stoneslike thing I have ever heard. I don't know if it's a drum machine, the Stones entering the "digital age" (as one poster put it) or whether poor Charlie was made to play along to Mick's existing demo track, but it's awful. It's mere "rock" (rather than rock & roll) which from me is about the worst thing I can say about it. At least even on the weakest material there was that beat, now they've taken that away too. It's as if the band I loved has been dismantled gradually piece by piece: First, Bill's bass, then the quality songwriting, now even the very feel of the rhythm. All we're left with is Sir Mick's latest pastiche of mediocrity very high in the mix, while a cut-and-paste version of the old open-G plays beneath it. I am sure that Keith, Ronnie and Charlie are technically on it - somewhere - but this is no Rolling Stones track.
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Blueranger
I think its sad.
The so-called fanbase are actually saying to the Stones, they should have stayed out of the studio and should not have recorded this song.
People are complaining about the sound. Well, guess what, it's not 1978 anymore. The Stones have moved on in contrast to their so-called fans, who still thinks they are gonna sound like they did 40 years ago.
Listen to the iTunes version of this song. Its all there. Played by real.
And for the Radio Mix of this, well if you are gonna get played nowadays, you must upgrade.
Respect to the Stones for making one version for the general public and one to their fans. Oh, wait forget the last mentioned. The fans doesnt listen anyway...
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Blueranger
People are complaining about the sound. Well, guess what, it's not 1978 anymore. The Stones have moved on in contrast to their so-called fans, who still thinks they are gonna sound like they did 40 years ago.
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Max'sKansasCity
Never figured you for being a Foreigner fan tele, but I guess I have heard stranger things.... btw- I think they kind of suck... so again we disagree.
I hate Foreigner. It's dumbass white rock music for 14 year old boys. My point was that the Stones never have been that. This drum sound though, is the most un-Stoneslike thing I have ever heard. I don't know if it's a drum machine, the Stones entering the "digital age" (as one poster put it) or whether poor Charlie was made to play along to Mick's existing demo track, but it's awful. It's mere "rock" (rather than rock & roll) which from me is about the worst thing I can say about it. At least even on the weakest material there was that beat, now they've taken that away too. It's as if the band I loved has been dismantled gradually piece by piece: First, Bill's bass, then the quality songwriting, now even the very feel of the rhythm. All we're left with is Sir Mick's latest pastiche of mediocrity very high in the mix, while a cut-and-paste version of the old open-G plays beneath it. I am sure that Keith, Ronnie and Charlie are technically on it - somewhere - but this is no Rolling Stones track.
And this is a dumbass white rock music for 14 year olds. No more no less. The lyrics are BS words that sound rock n roll when Mick tries very hard to sound young and angry.
Fellow iorrians, you cannot possibly call this a great track or even good. I know we're not supposed to compare the new songs to older glories but let me make a point here. Mick CAN sing with emotion and they can play with emotion, held back, less is more etc.
If or when a band changes its style and attitude, fine, but if the change is just a compromise (a lazy one) then why bother changing at all. In other words, maybe it's time for Mick to write something real and to sing something real. To calm down and think before he enters the studio. Just once really listen to some 1972 boot of YCAGWYW or Love in Vain and say, hey that's me singing.
This new song sounds like something that Per Gessle of Roxette would be proud of. Or some early 90s European band that tried to sound retro American.
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Blueranger
People are complaining about the sound. Well, guess what, it's not 1978 anymore. The Stones have moved on in contrast to their so-called fans, who still thinks they are gonna sound like they did 40 years ago.
Listen to ZZ Tops' La Futura. It's from 2012, it's their best record in their carreer, soundingcompletelyalmost contemporary ANDcompleteleyalmostlike they recorded it in19731979. It's fabulous.
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On it's own, Doom And Gloom isn't a bad song but despite having the ingredients (harp, organ, guitars, drums, defiant vocals) which has helped define the Stones sound it sounds nothing like anything they've done before. And that necessarily isn't a good thing.
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Jagger's shouted vocals are melodically as one-dimensional as they can be, but I like that little edge in his voice he has there.
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His Majesty
Meanwhile, outside of angsty iorr-tell me a whole lotta people are liking the song. The contrast between comments here and those on youtube are interesting.
I must admit it is sounding better to my ears with each listen. The Doom and Gloom single(Radio Mix) kicks the arse of their tired vegas era sound and gives us something fresh and livley!!!
For me the pro's are that it has a great Mick vocal, the track has energy and life(Radio Edit), the rhythm is modern so to speak, but has a nod and a wink to past tracks such as Street Fighting Man, Brown Sugar.
Were they not so old and some what forever bound to their historic past I'd say a track such as this could act as a bridge to a whole new sound for the stones.