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can we get a decision please? stones or led zeppelin?
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The Stones always seemed to naturally flow into their various genres, whereas Zeppelin seemed to make the effort.
The problme for me is LZ's ventures into other genres often sound like a heavy-handed parody : to me the reggae-ish Dy'er Maker always sounded like a bad dull and boring reggae spoof.
Otoh I'd be hard-pressed to say the sublime "Wild Horses" is a parody of the country genre.
But then you have the Stones' reggae spoof/parody Hey Negrita,
or their cheesy cover of Cherry Oh Baby - both bad attempts at reggae imo.
On the other hand you have Zep's 'country-ish' Down By The Seaside - a great tune in all respects.
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
I have to agree I wouldn't really consider Hey Negrita reggae music. It is a rather hard song to pin down really but it's closer to funk rock than reggae, imo. True reggae for me has a better defined instrumental back beat and a melodic bass line countering the song, imo. Maybe Ronnies original idea was reggae but once it got put through the Stones machine it became something different.
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
I have to agree I wouldn't really consider Hey Negrita reggae music. It is a rather hard song to pin down really but it's closer to funk rock than reggae, imo. True reggae for me has a better defined instrumental back beat and a melodic bass line countering the song, imo. Maybe Ronnies original idea was reggae but once it got put through the Stones machine it became something different.
I dunno, I've been listening to, collecting, and studying reggae for decades and the genre itself spans alot of different styles within.
Sounds like reggae to me, but maybe doesn't fit into your simple definition of "true reggae".
But as a compromise between our opinions, the writer of the link below calls it a "funky reggae rocker".
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Hey Negrita
"Reggae was one of Ronnie’s favorite style of choice when he first joined The Stones. Not only was Wood a fan of Reggae but he’s one of the few Rolling Stone members who can claim to have played on stage with Bob Marley, Woodie explained when he said, “I played with Bob Marley at the Oakland Coliseum when I lived in Malibu. One of his guitar players, Al Anderson, had had his guitar stolen so I brought a guitar up to the Coliseum for him, and Al said, “Come and play with us.” After a couple of songs on stage and I got the “You’re all right” look [from Bob Marley] and so I played right through the encore.”
Woodie’s experience with Marley on stage at the Oakland Coliseum inspired Ron’s guitar riff"
It is a great song, dirty funky and funny, can't believe some stones fans don't don't like it, Then again I can't stand Time Waits for no one yet many love it.Quote
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
I have to agree I wouldn't really consider Hey Negrita reggae music. It is a rather hard song to pin down really but it's closer to funk rock than reggae, imo. True reggae for me has a better defined instrumental back beat and a melodic bass line countering the song, imo. Maybe Ronnies original idea was reggae but once it got put through the Stones machine it became something different.
I dunno, I've been listening to, collecting, and studying reggae for decades and the genre itself spans alot of different styles within.
Sounds like reggae to me, but maybe doesn't fit into your simple definition of "true reggae".
But as a compromise between our opinions, the writer of the link below calls it a "funky reggae rocker".
More on the tune:
Hey Negrita
"Reggae was one of Ronnie’s favorite style of choice when he first joined The Stones. Not only was Wood a fan of Reggae but he’s one of the few Rolling Stone members who can claim to have played on stage with Bob Marley, Woodie explained when he said, “I played with Bob Marley at the Oakland Coliseum when I lived in Malibu. One of his guitar players, Al Anderson, had had his guitar stolen so I brought a guitar up to the Coliseum for him, and Al said, “Come and play with us.” After a couple of songs on stage and I got the “You’re all right” look [from Bob Marley] and so I played right through the encore.”
Woodie’s experience with Marley on stage at the Oakland Coliseum inspired Ron’s guitar riff"
horrible song in any case.
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matxil
There is no groove to Zeppelin, you cannot dance on it, it doesn't have soul. And the drummer is no Charlie Watts.
So the Rolling Stones win hands down.
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
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If you haven't danced to Stairway to Heaven at a high school dance, you haven't lived.
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matxil
There is no groove to Zeppelin, you cannot dance on it, it doesn't have soul. And the drummer is no Charlie Watts.
So the Rolling Stones win hands down.
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There is no groove to Zeppelin, you cannot dance on it, it doesn't have soul. And the drummer is no Charlie Watts.
So the Rolling Stones win hands down.
lol. Thank God good rock music isn't judged by or created to your dance standards or we wouldn't have an awful lot of it. Plenty of Stones music that you can't dance to and John Bonham was a superb drummer, imo.
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
OK, so... that does not make Hey Negrita reggae just because they were into reggae. I can certainly hear the influence of reggae in the song but it's not reggae. It's a slow groove tune where as Hot Stuff is a 'fast' groove tune.
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i could name 50 reggae songs by peter tosh better than anything the stones did
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i could name 50 reggae songs by peter tosh better than anything the stones did
Agreed, and I assume you're just referring to Stones reggae tunes (rather than "anything the Stones did" ).
As I stated earlier in this thread:
"...you have the Stones' reggae spoof/parody Hey Negrita,
or their cheesy cover of Cherry Oh Baby - both bad attempts at reggae imo".
Will be interesting to hear Keith's new cover of the Gregory Isaacs' 'Love Overdue', although I'm not really holding my breath.
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can we get a decision please? stones or led zeppelin?
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i could name 50 reggae songs by peter tosh better than anything the stones did
Agreed, and I assume you're just referring to Stones reggae tunes (rather than "anything the Stones did" ).
As I stated earlier in this thread:
"...you have the Stones' reggae spoof/parody Hey Negrita,
or their cheesy cover of Cherry Oh Baby - both bad attempts at reggae imo".
Will be interesting to hear Keith's new cover of the Gregory Isaacs' 'Love Overdue', although I'm not really holding my breath.
yes I was talking about stones reggae tunes only
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
OK, so... that does not make Hey Negrita reggae just because they were into reggae. I can certainly hear the influence of reggae in the song but it's not reggae. It's a slow groove tune where as Hot Stuff is a 'fast' groove tune.
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1. Rolling Stones — Hey Negrita (1976)
"Keith Richards found a likeminded reggae fan when Ronnie Wood joined the Stones, and the pair worked on Wood’s Latin-reggae riff with drummer Charlie Watts.
They achieved that rarest of things: a white classic rock band having a credible stab at reggae".
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"From then on, it won't be hard to spot the reggae influence on the Stones' music, whether they're covering Eric Donaldson's 'Cherry Oh Baby',
or writing originals like 'Hey Negrita', which has an obvious reggae feel and came from Ronnie Wood's love of the genre".
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15 best reggae songs
#2. Hey Negrita, The Rolling Stones (1976)
"Classic Rolling Stones vocals dominate this hit from the album Black and Blue. The music is heavy with Latin keyboards, reggae riffs,
percussion and funky bass. The reggae influence is unmistakable without losing Stones's perfection."
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Top 10 Reggae Rock Songs
#7 - Hey Negrita
"You couldn’t do the Top 10 Reggae Rock Songs without something from the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, perhaps, are the biggest reggae fans in all of rock and roll. Yet, it was then-new guitarist Ronnie Wood who created the riff for ‘Hey Negrita’ (although he would only get an “inspired by” credit on the album sleeve). This jammy ‘Black and Blue’ highlight showed how well the band could play with other genres – from a reggae riff to a funky bassline to Latin keyboards and percussion. And yet, ‘Hey Negrita’ still sounds like the good ol’ grimy Stones".
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Too Rude is reggae.
Words Of Wonder is reggae.
Send It To Me is... regggae-ish.
Hey Negrita is funk.
Zep's tune is not reggae by any means but, unlike Hey Negrita, oddly it carries the vibe of reggae. It's a joke anyway. As in, it was meant as a joke.
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Hey Negrita - not reggae - how do people keep thinking it is?
Because it pretty much is:
"All of us, independently and together, were into reggae, and it was also a mood of the time. I had this particular lick that I took into the studio and the others said, What are we going to start with? and I said, I've got this song. Charlie [Watts] was sitting behind his kit, so he was already into it and then Keith and Mick both got into the motion of it. That was 'Hey Negrita', which came together very easily. The key to getting a song across in this band is never to try and write all the words. If you've got the rhythm, you're lucky! Let Mick write the words and then you're in with a chance." -Ronnie Wood
OK, so... that does not make Hey Negrita reggae just because they were into reggae. I can certainly hear the influence of reggae in the song but it's not reggae. It's a slow groove tune where as Hot Stuff is a 'fast' groove tune.
17 rock-reggae crossovers
1. Rolling Stones — Hey Negrita (1976)
"Keith Richards found a likeminded reggae fan when Ronnie Wood joined the Stones, and the pair worked on Wood’s Latin-reggae riff with drummer Charlie Watts.
They achieved that rarest of things: a white classic rock band having a credible stab at reggae".
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Excerpt from Steppin' Razor: The Life of Peter Tosh
Steppin' Razor: The Life of Peter Tosh
"From then on, it won't be hard to spot the reggae influence on the Stones' music, whether they're covering Eric Donaldson's 'Cherry Oh Baby',
or writing originals like 'Hey Negrita', which has an obvious reggae feel and came from Ronnie Wood's love of the genre".
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15 best reggae songs
#2. Hey Negrita, The Rolling Stones (1976)
"Classic Rolling Stones vocals dominate this hit from the album Black and Blue. The music is heavy with Latin keyboards, reggae riffs,
percussion and funky bass. The reggae influence is unmistakable without losing Stones's perfection."
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Top 10 Reggae Rock Songs
#7 - Hey Negrita
"You couldn’t do the Top 10 Reggae Rock Songs without something from the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, perhaps, are the biggest reggae fans in all of rock and roll. Yet, it was then-new guitarist Ronnie Wood who created the riff for ‘Hey Negrita’ (although he would only get an “inspired by” credit on the album sleeve). This jammy ‘Black and Blue’ highlight showed how well the band could play with other genres – from a reggae riff to a funky bassline to Latin keyboards and percussion. And yet, ‘Hey Negrita’ still sounds like the good ol’ grimy Stones".
And your point made still reveals that Hey Negrita is NOT reggae, as you highlighted, but influenced, like The reggae influence is unmistakable without losing Stones's perfection.. Having a reggae feel is does not make it reggae.
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i could name 50 reggae songs by peter tosh better than anything the stones did
Agreed, and I assume you're just referring to Stones reggae tunes (rather than "anything the Stones did" ).
As I stated earlier in this thread:
"...you have the Stones' reggae spoof/parody Hey Negrita,
or their cheesy cover of Cherry Oh Baby - both bad attempts at reggae imo".
Will be interesting to hear Keith's new cover of the Gregory Isaacs' 'Love Overdue', although I'm not really holding my breath.
yes I was talking about stones reggae tunes only
ok, so anyway, who does reggae better, the stones or led zeppelin?
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As I also pointed out, several of those things I quoted did call it reggae.
And I didn't insist you were the only one that thinks it's not reggae, I said you "seem to be nearly the only one who doesn't think it's reggae".
But again, we should agree to disagree.
I say reggae, you say not.
No big deal.
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As I also pointed out, several of those things I quoted did call it reggae.
And I didn't insist you were the only one that thinks it's not reggae, I said you "seem to be nearly the only one who doesn't think it's reggae".
But again, we should agree to disagree.
I say reggae, you say not.
No big deal.