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The amateurish playing style and technique fits Brian more than Jack and, as HM said, if it was Jack then Keith would have mentioned him already.
Others, like you, may disagree. I don't mind as I love to hear what other people think.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-29 19:09 by tonterapi.
You misunderstood. I think Brian played the piano on RT as well - for the reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread (amateurish etc. - those were my words!).
But basing it on that tv clip would be stupid, imo. He´s only toying a bit with the stuff, and not even playing the same things.
He plays much the same as the studio version, just bit looser.
I avoided crediting percussion most of the time because it could in reality be anyone.
Nah, that rough electric on the outtake version is Keith. I think I recall reading Keith saying he played bass and piano on it. I don't hear Stu on Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow? but, if there's a quote or something by a band member saying it's him, groovy.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-30 01:43 by His Majesty.
The lower register piano part is much of the body of the song. easier to hear in the earlier outtakes. Does not sound like something Stu would do; or want to do.
To me it sounds like he mostly play what he did on the recorded version...
Yep, you´re right - naive is a better word - my bad
His bass parts are similar to that of the recording, no doubt about it.
Then again, when playing a song with a one or two-finger bass on the piano, that part would never be much altered
... as is his right hand part.
No way, Jose
Yes.
I allways thought that Brian(or other member) is playing an electric ducilmer
I love that song, btw
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Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
tonterapi
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Date: June 29, 2012 19:08
If Keith had played it on TV too then it it could have been either one of them. But he didn't. Since Brian had been credited with playing piano on RT before, this clip is all I need to actually give him the credit. That's what I believe and I don't judge it by the clip alone.Quote
DandelionPowderman
?? If Keith had played that simple piano part on italian tv, it had to be him on the album as well?
The amateurish playing style and technique fits Brian more than Jack and, as HM said, if it was Jack then Keith would have mentioned him already.
Others, like you, may disagree. I don't mind as I love to hear what other people think.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-29 19:09 by tonterapi.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
rootsman
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Date: June 29, 2012 19:38
Great idea for a series of topics, HM. Much appreciated!
Me too would love to get the musicians credits as correct as possible!
You haven´t credited percussion on (most of) the tracks,
and it´s probably very hard to pin down, so I´m not going into that either.
Anyway, the first single:
Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric and acoustic guitar, bass guitar, piano, vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Jack Nitzsche - piano
(Uncredited brass musicians)??? - trumpets
Who's Driving Your Plane?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar
Brian Jones - harmonica
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Ian Stewart - piano
Have You Seen...:
*This is the first I´ve heard/read that Keith is playing bass. Why is it not Bill, in your opinion?
*Possibly there´s also guitar by Brian here. On the early outtake/mix you can hear a slide-ish guitar, which is almost buried in the final mix. That´s a guitar that could be Brian.
*40 Licks/Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Stu, not Jack. Do you know that they are wrong?
*And, is there really two pianos on it?
Who´s Driving...:
*Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Jack, not Stu. Wrong?
Hopefully, we can all help getting as much as possible correct!><
Me too would love to get the musicians credits as correct as possible!
You haven´t credited percussion on (most of) the tracks,
and it´s probably very hard to pin down, so I´m not going into that either.
Anyway, the first single:
Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric and acoustic guitar, bass guitar, piano, vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Jack Nitzsche - piano
(Uncredited brass musicians)??? - trumpets
Who's Driving Your Plane?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar
Brian Jones - harmonica
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Ian Stewart - piano
Have You Seen...:
*This is the first I´ve heard/read that Keith is playing bass. Why is it not Bill, in your opinion?
*Possibly there´s also guitar by Brian here. On the early outtake/mix you can hear a slide-ish guitar, which is almost buried in the final mix. That´s a guitar that could be Brian.
*40 Licks/Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Stu, not Jack. Do you know that they are wrong?
*And, is there really two pianos on it?
Who´s Driving...:
*Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Jack, not Stu. Wrong?
Hopefully, we can all help getting as much as possible correct!>
<Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 30, 2012 00:16
Quote
Posted by: tonterapi () Date: June 29, 2012 19:08 Quote DandelionPowderman ?? If Keith had played that simple piano part on italian tv, it had to be him on the album as well? If Keith had played it on TV too then it it could have been either one of them. But he didn't. Since Brian had been credited with playing piano on RT before, this clip is all I need to actually give him the credit. That's what I believe and I don't judge it by the clip alone. The amateurish playing style and technique fits Brian more than Jack and, as HM said, if it was Jack then Keith would have mentioned him already. Others, like you, may disagree. I don't mind as I love to hear what other people think.
You misunderstood. I think Brian played the piano on RT as well - for the reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread (amateurish etc. - those were my words!).
But basing it on that tv clip would be stupid, imo. He´s only toying a bit with the stuff, and not even playing the same things.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: June 30, 2012 01:24
Quote
DandelionPowderman
He´s only toying a bit with the stuff, and not even playing the same things.
He plays much the same as the studio version, just bit looser.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: June 30, 2012 01:28
Quote
rootsman
Great idea for a series of topics, HM. Much appreciated!
Me too would love to get the musicians credits as correct as possible!
You haven´t credited percussion on (most of) the tracks,
and it´s probably very hard to pin down, so I´m not going into that either.
Anyway, the first single:
Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric and acoustic guitar, bass guitar, piano, vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Jack Nitzsche - piano
(Uncredited brass musicians)??? - trumpets
Who's Driving Your Plane?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar
Brian Jones - harmonica
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Ian Stewart - piano
Have You Seen...:
*This is the first I´ve heard/read that Keith is playing bass. Why is it not Bill, in your opinion?
*Possibly there´s also guitar by Brian here. On the early outtake/mix you can hear a slide-ish guitar, which is almost buried in the final mix. That´s a guitar that could be Brian.
*40 Licks/Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Stu, not Jack. Do you know that they are wrong?
*And, is there really two pianos on it?
Who´s Driving...:
*Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Jack, not Stu. Wrong?
Hopefully, we can all help getting as much as possible correct!>
I avoided crediting percussion most of the time because it could in reality be anyone.
Nah, that rough electric on the outtake version is Keith. I think I recall reading Keith saying he played bass and piano on it. I don't hear Stu on Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow? but, if there's a quote or something by a band member saying it's him, groovy.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-06-30 01:43 by His Majesty.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: June 30, 2012 06:12
Quote
His MajestyQuote
rootsman
Great idea for a series of topics, HM. Much appreciated!
Me too would love to get the musicians credits as correct as possible!
You haven´t credited percussion on (most of) the tracks,
and it´s probably very hard to pin down, so I´m not going into that either.
Anyway, the first single:
Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric and acoustic guitar, bass guitar, piano, vocals
Charlie Watts - drums
Jack Nitzsche - piano
(Uncredited brass musicians)??? - trumpets
Who's Driving Your Plane?
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - electric guitar
Brian Jones - harmonica
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
Ian Stewart - piano
Have You Seen...:
*This is the first I´ve heard/read that Keith is playing bass. Why is it not Bill, in your opinion?
*Possibly there´s also guitar by Brian here. On the early outtake/mix you can hear a slide-ish guitar, which is almost buried in the final mix. That´s a guitar that could be Brian.
*40 Licks/Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Stu, not Jack. Do you know that they are wrong?
*And, is there really two pianos on it?
Who´s Driving...:
*Aeppli/Zentgraf credits piano to Jack, not Stu. Wrong?
Hopefully, we can all help getting as much as possible correct!>
I avoided crediting percussion most of the time because it could in reality be anyone.
Nah, that rough electric on the outtake version is Keith. I think I recall reading Keith saying he played bass and piano on it. I don't hear Stu on Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow? but, if there's a quote or something by a band member saying it's him, groovy.
The lower register piano part is much of the body of the song. easier to hear in the earlier outtakes. Does not sound like something Stu would do; or want to do.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
tonterapi
()
Date: June 30, 2012 10:58
I'd say naive but not stupid. As I said, I don't judge it by the clip alone. The clip was the final thing for me to give Brian credit for the piano.Quote
DandelionPowderman
But basing it on that tv clip would be stupid, imo. He´s only toying a bit with the stuff, and not even playing the same things.
To me it sounds like he mostly play what he did on the recorded version...
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 30, 2012 11:52
Quote
tonterapiI'd say naive but not stupid. As I said, I don't judge it by the clip alone. The clip was the final thing for me to give Brian credit for the piano.Quote
DandelionPowderman
But basing it on that tv clip would be stupid, imo. He´s only toying a bit with the stuff, and not even playing the same things.
To me it sounds like he mostly play what he did on the recorded version...
Yep, you´re right - naive is a better word - my bad
His bass parts are similar to that of the recording, no doubt about it.
Then again, when playing a song with a one or two-finger bass on the piano, that part would never be much altered
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: June 30, 2012 13:20
Quote
DandelionPowderman
His bass parts are similar to that of the recording, no doubt about it.
... as is his right hand part.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
rootsman
()
Date: June 30, 2012 18:48
Some other thoughts:
All Sold Out
There´s also organ in there, audible in the break at the end - more obvious on the instrumental version.
Isn´t Keith also doing backing vocals?
Complicated
I hear acoustic guitar as well as electric.
The organ sounds like a Brian-type melody to me...
Connection
Mick in NME, January 14, 1967:
That´s me beating the bass drums with my hands. Stu on the piano and organ pedals.
Cool, Calm And Collected
There´s also harmonica by Mick, and kazoo (most likely) by Keith.
Get Yourself Together
The instrumental version has organ, which is mixed out (or very low) on the vocal version.
If You Let Me
Isn´t there also electric guitar here - or is that the autoharp? (playing from 0.39 and 1.16 etc.)
All Sold Out
There´s also organ in there, audible in the break at the end - more obvious on the instrumental version.
Isn´t Keith also doing backing vocals?
Complicated
I hear acoustic guitar as well as electric.
The organ sounds like a Brian-type melody to me...
Connection
Mick in NME, January 14, 1967:
That´s me beating the bass drums with my hands. Stu on the piano and organ pedals.
Cool, Calm And Collected
There´s also harmonica by Mick, and kazoo (most likely) by Keith.
Get Yourself Together
The instrumental version has organ, which is mixed out (or very low) on the vocal version.
If You Let Me
Isn´t there also electric guitar here - or is that the autoharp? (playing from 0.39 and 1.16 etc.)
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 30, 2012 18:58
Quote
His MajestyQuote
DandelionPowderman
His bass parts are similar to that of the recording, no doubt about it.
... as is his right hand part.
No way, Jose
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: June 30, 2012 19:00
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
His MajestyQuote
DandelionPowderman
His bass parts are similar to that of the recording, no doubt about it.
... as is his right hand part.
No way, Jose
Yes.
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Posted by:
BJPortugal
()
Date: July 1, 2012 04:44
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His Majesty
August - December 1966 recording session instrument credits...
If You Let Me
Mick Jagger - vocals
Keith Richards - acoustic guitar
Bill Wyman - bass guitar
Charlie Watts - drums
(Keith Richards, Brian Jones)??? - autoharp
(Brian Jones, Jack Nitzsche)??? - electric piano
I allways thought that Brian(or other member) is playing an electric ducilmer
I love that song, btw
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
rootsman
()
Date: July 1, 2012 13:41
Andrew Loog Oldham on Have You Seen Your Mother...?: (from 2Stoned)
...I did get the pleasure...of joining Mick and Keith as the ´singing guitars´ needed to choral the start-me-up to ´Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadows?´ /
We were mixing down to mono and...each time we heard the intro it sounded just that little bit lamer. / Then I had an idea...
`Why can´t we go na-na-nanana-nana with our voices, throat up, no body, noses on hold, in unison with the guitars?´ /
Keith agreed. ´Who´s going to do it, Andrew?´
´You, me and Mick - and Charlie can tell us how it feels.´ / Mick and Keith practised sounding ridiculous. I already had that down. /
Dave ran the tape and we pulled it together in two. We looked at each other, then towards the control room.
Charlie shook his head, then looked up with a grin. ´I dunno, you guys. You´re all mad, but it works.´
It´s there at the intro of the released track.
...I did get the pleasure...of joining Mick and Keith as the ´singing guitars´ needed to choral the start-me-up to ´Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadows?´ /
We were mixing down to mono and...each time we heard the intro it sounded just that little bit lamer. / Then I had an idea...
`Why can´t we go na-na-nanana-nana with our voices, throat up, no body, noses on hold, in unison with the guitars?´ /
Keith agreed. ´Who´s going to do it, Andrew?´
´You, me and Mick - and Charlie can tell us how it feels.´ / Mick and Keith practised sounding ridiculous. I already had that down. /
Dave ran the tape and we pulled it together in two. We looked at each other, then towards the control room.
Charlie shook his head, then looked up with a grin. ´I dunno, you guys. You´re all mad, but it works.´
It´s there at the intro of the released track.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: July 1, 2012 15:31
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rootsman
Andrew Loog Oldham on Have You Seen Your Mother...?: (from 2Stoned)
...I did get the pleasure...of joining Mick and Keith as the ´singing guitars´ needed to choral the start-me-up to ´Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadows?´ /
We were mixing down to mono and...each time we heard the intro it sounded just that little bit lamer. / Then I had an idea...
`Why can´t we go na-na-nanana-nana with our voices, throat up, no body, noses on hold, in unison with the guitars?´ /
Keith agreed. ´Who´s going to do it, Andrew?´
´You, me and Mick - and Charlie can tell us how it feels.´ / Mick and Keith practised sounding ridiculous. I already had that down. /
Dave ran the tape and we pulled it together in two. We looked at each other, then towards the control room.
Charlie shook his head, then looked up with a grin. ´I dunno, you guys. You´re all mad, but it works.´
It´s there at the intro of the released track.
Re: * 50 years of The Rolling Stones - 1966 - Between The Buttons *
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: February 24, 2013 15:33
Been looking in to the details of the piano on Ruby Tuesday more...
Another suggestion that it's Brian playing the piano is that when the pianist plays C and G the right hand part sometimes plays something with similarities to Brian's mellotron part on She's A Rainbow. This phrase/melody is also present in Brian's recorder part on Ruby Tuesday.
Another suggestion that it's Brian playing the piano is that when the pianist plays C and G the right hand part sometimes plays something with similarities to Brian's mellotron part on She's A Rainbow. This phrase/melody is also present in Brian's recorder part on Ruby Tuesday.
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