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"everyone would have been fine!"
Yeah, right dcba, sure they would, sure...

...and then we have "there's bad tours" ???
So exactly which tours were "bad"??

You just came with the most crucial contribution to this thread!

Happy?

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I have the impression that some people here can never be satisfied, regardless of what you offer them. If they would release all shows ever in superb soundboard quality they would still find something to criticize...

Here's what I wished in December last year:
[www.iorr.org]
Somehow they heared me

yes i agree
I am astounded to read that LA Friday is the weakest of the releases (of all 1975 shows ?)
Honestly it's a bit too much.

you may got something wrong. some people said (me including), that the release of the real friday show (july 11th) would be the worst release. this one here is great, although july 10th or 12th would have been more exciting, because of sound quality upgrade.

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Depends on whom you consider to be 'top bloggers'. Mine certainly would go for something great from the 69, 70, 71 and 72 tours.

Edit: and to please our His Majesty one from the Brian era.

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Like the rest of you I'm a huge fan who's spent a lot of time (probably too much time) listening to, reading about, thinking about, or trying play Stones music. So when the band announced the bootleg series I was intrigued.....imagine the possibilities! A plum from the '69 tour, a gem from the '70 tour, a nugget from the '71 tour, or a rarity from the '72 tour. Well not be friends, we get a good '73 show (remember this is the year Keith's heroin habit kicked into high gear and Mick T. admitted being bored with the music), a '78 show?!?! ( a scrappy tour that had its' moments but please!), and now clunker from '75 (Ronnie admitted that he barely knew the songs on this tour).

Obviously the Stones (like every band) have a far different take on their music than their fans do. Why not assemble the top twenty bloggers from this site to pick the next three releases?

O no, not another one who registers on IORR just three weeks ago and then starts telling us it all went shite after Taylor left...

Anyway. After seeing the Newcastle and Manchester pics from 71 I am really in the mood for any of those shows. Now let's hope Clearmountain takes it easy on the compression.

Mathijs

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Like the rest of you I'm a huge fan who's spent a lot of time (probably too much time) listening to, reading about, thinking about, or trying play Stones music. So when the band announced the bootleg series I was intrigued.....imagine the possibilities! A plum from the '69 tour, a gem from the '70 tour, a nugget from the '71 tour, or a rarity from the '72 tour. Well not be friends, we get a good '73 show (remember this is the year Keith's heroin habit kicked into high gear and Mick T. admitted being bored with the music), a '78 show?!?! ( a scrappy tour that had its' moments but please!), and now clunker from '75 (Ronnie admitted that he barely knew the songs on this tour).

Obviously the Stones (like every band) have a far different take on their music than their fans do. Why not assemble the top twenty bloggers from this site to pick the next three releases?

I´m sure those top bloggers would definetly choose a 75 show....

Depends on whom you consider to be 'top bloggers'. Mine certainly would go for something great from the 69, 70, 71 and 72 tours.

Edit: and to please our His Majesty one from the Brian era.

I'm really hoping for a 66/67 show, as well as a 72 show.

After the 24-song feast of LA Friday, the trouble with the Brian-era material is that the shows are so much shorter - maybe 12 songs at most. Personally I wouldn't feel short-changed to get a 66/67 show in good quality, but I'd guess whoever is managing these things would think that most buyers would want more bang for their buck.

Perhaps they could combine items from two or more shows? Or settle the copyright issues with the BBC? (unlikely - I think Auntie Beeb will want to release their own Stones At The BBC eventually - or at least they will want to keep that possibility open).

Sadly, I don't think we will get a Brian-era boot in this series. But I do hope I'm wrong.

"O no, not another one who registers on IORR just three weeks ago and then starts telling us it all went shite after Taylor left... "

Spot on again Mathijs!!! You ARE the King IMHO. I look forward to see You on the next tour and talk guitars!!!

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Like the rest of you I'm a huge fan who's spent a lot of time (probably too much time) listening to, reading about, thinking about, or trying play Stones music. So when the band announced the bootleg series I was intrigued.....imagine the possibilities! A plum from the '69 tour, a gem from the '70 tour, a nugget from the '71 tour, or a rarity from the '72 tour. Well not be friends, we get a good '73 show (remember this is the year Keith's heroin habit kicked into high gear and Mick T. admitted being bored with the music), a '78 show?!?! ( a scrappy tour that had its' moments but please!), and now clunker from '75 (Ronnie admitted that he barely knew the songs on this tour).

Obviously the Stones (like every band) have a far different take on their music than their fans do. Why not assemble the top twenty bloggers from this site to pick the next three releases?

O no, not another one who registers on IORR just three weeks ago and then starts telling us it all went shite after Taylor left...

Anyway. After seeing the Newcastle and Manchester pics from 71 I am really in the mood for any of those shows. Now let's hope Clearmountain takes it easy on the compression.

Mathijs

Oops, I didn't realize I had to be a member for more than three weeks to criticize, I'll re-read the rule book.

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Like the rest of you I'm a huge fan who's spent a lot of time (probably too much time) listening to, reading about, thinking about, or trying play Stones music. So when the band announced the bootleg series I was intrigued.....imagine the possibilities! A plum from the '69 tour, a gem from the '70 tour, a nugget from the '71 tour, or a rarity from the '72 tour. Well not be friends, we get a good '73 show (remember this is the year Keith's heroin habit kicked into high gear and Mick T. admitted being bored with the music), a '78 show?!?! ( a scrappy tour that had its' moments but please!), and now clunker from '75 (Ronnie admitted that he barely knew the songs on this tour).

Obviously the Stones (like every band) have a far different take on their music than their fans do. Why not assemble the top twenty bloggers from this site to pick the next three releases?

O no, not another one who registers on IORR just three weeks ago and then starts telling us it all went shite after Taylor left...

Anyway. After seeing the Newcastle and Manchester pics from 71 I am really in the mood for any of those shows. Now let's hope Clearmountain takes it easy on the compression.

Mathijs

Oops, I didn't realize I had to be a member for more than three weeks to criticize, I'll re-read the rule book.

Rule 1 : never say something that Mathijs does not agree with. He is thinks Taylor is over-rated.

Rule 2 : even a deaf man can see the Taylor-era Stones was the greatest era of the Stones.

Rule 3 : LA Friday - people are still getting themselves way too excited about a good performance which has been mixed very well.

Rule 4 : The Stones are all about being a sloppy rock 'n roll, thats why we love them...hahaha WTF ??? you would never associate sloppy rock 'n roll with the Stones in their peak from 1969 -- 1973...I wonder why ???? I wonder who left the band ???????

Rule 5 : dont take anything to heart on this board.

My hearing is fine as is my eye sight and it's clear to me that the so called taylor era stones was not the greatest as such, more that it was a continuation of a great period, but not in itself better than what the band did before he joined.

but that is not a rule...sorry

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Like the rest of you I'm a huge fan who's spent a lot of time (probably too much time) listening to, reading about, thinking about, or trying play Stones music. So when the band announced the bootleg series I was intrigued.....imagine the possibilities! A plum from the '69 tour, a gem from the '70 tour, a nugget from the '71 tour, or a rarity from the '72 tour. Well not be friends, we get a good '73 show (remember this is the year Keith's heroin habit kicked into high gear and Mick T. admitted being bored with the music), a '78 show?!?! ( a scrappy tour that had its' moments but please!), and now clunker from '75 (Ronnie admitted that he barely knew the songs on this tour).

Obviously the Stones (like every band) have a far different take on their music than their fans do. Why not assemble the top twenty bloggers from this site to pick the next three releases?

O no, not another one who registers on IORR just three weeks ago and then starts telling us it all went shite after Taylor left...

Anyway. After seeing the Newcastle and Manchester pics from 71 I am really in the mood for any of those shows. Now let's hope Clearmountain takes it easy on the compression.

Mathijs

Oops, I didn't realize I had to be a member for more than three weeks to criticize, I'll re-read the rule book.

Rule 1 : never say something that Mathijs does not agree with. He is thinks Taylor is over-rated.

Rule 2 : even a deaf man can see the Taylor-era Stones was the greatest era of the Stones.

Rule 3 : LA Friday - people are still getting themselves way too excited about a good performance which has been mixed very well.

Rule 4 : The Stones are all about being a sloppy rock 'n roll, thats why we love them...hahaha WTF ??? you would never associate sloppy rock 'n roll with the Stones in their peak from 1969 -- 1973...I wonder why ???? I wonder who left the band ???????

Rule 5 : dont take anything to heart on this board.

Rule 6: There are no exceptions regarding sloppiness for the 69-74 line up

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but that is not a rule...sorry

It's a reply to a silly rule.

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but that is not a rule...sorry

It's a reply to a silly rule.

well what rule
ha...its getting sillier...

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but that is not a rule...sorry

It's a reply to a silly rule.

well what rule
ha...its getting sillier...

The humurous oddity that is Rule 2 up above.



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but that is not a rule...sorry

It's a reply to a silly rule.

well what rule
ha...its getting sillier...

The humurous oddity that is Rule 2 up above.

yes but that was actually meant to be...i believe even a deaf man could see...

I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners .

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners

So do I. I absolutely luuuuv' sloppiness.

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners

So do I. I absolutely luuuuv' sloppiness.

haha...thats why they dropped it after a few nights...the Stones in their prime dont settle for sloppiness...it was perfection back in the 1969-73 period. But hey - some people like the sloppiness.

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners

So do I. I absolutely luuuuv' sloppiness.

haha...thats why they dropped it after a few nights...the Stones in their prime dont settle for sloppiness...it was perfection back in the 1969-73 period. But hey - some people like the sloppiness.

I don't consider it to be sloppy, just not perfect, as it was their first gig of the 72 tour. Other songs from that show were also not perfect yet and grew during the tour. See and listen for instance to my weekly GS version from 72/73.

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners

So do I. I absolutely luuuuv' sloppiness.

haha...thats why they dropped it after a few nights...the Stones in their prime dont settle for sloppiness...it was perfection back in the 1969-73 period. But hey - some people like the sloppiness.

I don't consider it to be sloppy, just not perfect, as it was their first gig of the 72 tour. Other songs from that show were also not perfect yet and grew during the tour. See and listen for instance to my weekly GS version from 72/73.

What Kleerie says goes very well with what Bobby Keyes says in his book of those days and tours. The band didn't actually rehearse their new songs enough (or at all) but just went on to the stage to see what happens. Because they had just recorded them they thought the songs were in their mind. For that reason, for example, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" totally collapsed when they tried that in 1971. Reading Bobby's description of that makes one really hungry to hear the actual performance... How bad it actually went...

Any case, I think in any Taylor era tour the first concert(s) were rather rough deals and quite far from perfection, even though finally end up sounding incredibly sharp and focused. But it was never in the sense 'professional' as it is these (post 89) days. They were always on the edge, finding new angles, trying to perfect the thing. It kept developing like a living organ. I have always thought that The Rolling Stones is - or was in their glory days - basically a band that can't really rehearse but needs the actual context - the battlefield, the stage with audience - to have all their cylinders on. They can only develop musically there.

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Any case, I think in any Taylor tour the fist concert(s) were rather rough deals and quite far from perfection, even though finally end up sounding incredibly sharp and 'trained' in the end. But it was never in the sense 'professional' as it is these (post 89) days. They were always on the edge, finding new angles, trying to perfect the thing. It kept developing like a living organ. I have always thought taht The Rolling Stones is basically a band that can't really rehearse but needs the actual context - the battlefield, the stage with audience - to have all their cylinders on. They can only develop musically there.


- Doxa

What I did like of both the Hyde Park (that I see as the true premiere of the 69-70 run) and Vancouver 72 concerts was that the arrangements of all songs were much more sophisticated and full of interesting ideas. You could hear that they were still very much in the "studio" mode. While the tour moved forwards, the arrangements bacame more and more basic and safe. But on the other hand - and this is what counts - the generlal sound of band as whole became more loose and powerful.


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FINALLY got to hear the damn thing, or at least the first few cuts. First off it's better than I thought it would be. I feared it would sound like LYL, which I listened to once, excepting the El Mocacmbo side. Ronnie is on fire, sounding like he's auditioning for the band. Bill seems more subdued, which I think he does when the guitars get flying and there's no room for him to step foward. Charlie is fantastic. If You Can't Rock Me is dynamite, indeed.

1975 should be known as the sleaze tour. The band never sounded more greasy and decadent. It makes the '72 tour sound prim by comparison. Which surprised me when I heard @#$%& and think it sounds better in '73 than live '75.

dont know if you have covered this before but
have you noticed keith is a tad too late with singing
in the 2nd verse of happy. In the chorus they get right again.
Funny, I dont think keith made it with purpose...

I've just gained appreciation for the version of "Jumpin Jack Flash" on this recording. Some fantastic moments throughout the song....absolutely wonderful interplay between Keith, Ronnie and Charlie.

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners .

I love it too, but it sure is sloppy as hell

LA75 is growing on me the more I listen to it. Ronnie plays great, in If You Can't Rock Me he almost sounds like Mick T on the studio version.

What I don't like though is the large amount of reverb of various types added to all the instrument tracks, which muddies the mix somewhat. This recording is part of the same series of recordings used for LYL, only with LYL they retained a dryer sound with very little or no reverb used.

There's also a lot of compression on the LA75 drum track, almost has that pumping compression effect.

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LA75 is growing on me the more I listen to it....

It's true...and I found it surprising. At first I thought this release was awful...Jaggers vocals and all that. But I somewhat 'forced' myself to listen to the whole thing a couple times and it suddenly dawned on me that I was loving it...LOL. It's all great fun and I 'get' what Jagger's doing with his singing.
In 3.5 weeks I've already listened to Disc 1 of L.A. Friday more times than Album 1 of Love You Live which I've had 35 years! As for Disc 2...I do think the 4 versions on side 4 of the LYL album are a notch better than the ones here...but not by much...Cheers

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners .

I love it too, but it sure is sloppy as hell

Hell is all but sloppy. You'll see one day and you won't love it.

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I happen to love this version a lot, and so do many YT-listeners .

I love it too, but it sure is sloppy as hell

Hell is all but sloppy. You'll see one day and you won't love it.

You think I´ll go to hell? Hm, back in the day you called me a gentleman - what happened?