You can't change the dynamics once they're already squashed.

I listened to Captain Acid's Hampton81 "remaster" and there was no change

sounds freakin fine on my stereo!
there are points where i'd turn Billy down and turn Ollie up, but all in all: ~*YEAH!*~

thanks & praises, Rolling Stones

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You can't change the dynamics once they're already squashed.

I listened to Captain Acid's Hampton81 "remaster" and there was no change

Because he almost hadn't anything changed. If I remember well he only had the sound lowered and did some slight EQ adjustements.

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Here's some mastering i've done on Gimme Shelter
[rapidshare.com]

I've restored some of the clipping and dynamics
Also some adjustments on the drum sound...

How can you restore clipping? In case of audio clipping, information is completely lost (it is cut off). Just like blown out highlights in a photograph.

Restoring songs that are not even on the record would be the same. But maybe you're a magician.

"I listened to GS he did, and you get the same result by lowering the gain with 2 dB."

With Vlc I lower the gain by much more : about 20 dB. I like clarity.

And I listen to the FLAC files on a 2008 Imac with Sennheiser "cans".

i admit that if I burnt the files on a CDr and listened to it on the home stereo I'd not feel the brickwalled sound as much but still why can't the SA crew do a clean mastering?

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You can't change the dynamics once they're already squashed.

I listened to Captain Acid's Hampton81 "remaster" and there was no change

Because he almost hadn't anything changed. If I remember well he only had the sound lowered and did some slight EQ adjustements.

So what was changed with the GS track you heard?

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kevinkamphuis
Here's some mastering i've done on Gimme Shelter
[rapidshare.com]

I've restored some of the clipping and dynamics
Also some adjustments on the drum sound...

How can you restore clipping? In case of audio clipping, information is completely lost (it is cut off). Just like blown out highlights in a photograph.

Restoring songs that are not even on the record would be the same. But maybe you're a magician.

How can dymanics be restored?

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sounds freakin fine on my stereo!
there are points where i'd turn Billy down and turn Ollie up, but all in all: ~*YEAH!*~

thanks & praises, Rolling Stones

I agree, the Billy tracks are funky!

I didn't realise it was Ollie on drums, I thought it was CW. Makes sense now as to why Ollie was playing with the band - I thought he was just there to be a percussionist.

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Listened to the mp3s on my iPod through the car stereo on my way home. I agree with some of the comments above, not much depth and kinda harsh and tiring for my ears.

ALL music in mp3 format through an Ipod sounds thin and harsh, that has nothing to do with how the music was originally mixed and mastered.

An Ipod really is the worst way to listen music.

Mathijs

I think it is more the mp3 than the iPod. Once I get the FLACs I'll give it another listen.

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Listened to the mp3s on my iPod through the car stereo on my way home. I agree with some of the comments above, not much depth and kinda harsh and tiring for my ears.

ALL music in mp3 format through an Ipod sounds thin and harsh, that has nothing to do with how the music was originally mixed and mastered.

An Ipod really is the worst way to listen music.

Mathijs

I think it is more the mp3 than the iPod. Once I get the FLACs I'll give it another listen.

How much is the cost price of an Ipod? $25? So how good will the sound card of an Ipod be?

Mathijs

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sounds freakin fine on my stereo!
there are points where i'd turn Billy down and turn Ollie up, but all in all: ~*YEAH!*~

thanks & praises, Rolling Stones

I agree, the Billy tracks are funky!

whoa - have some popcorn and enjoy the music, but agree with somebody else, willya?!
that's not even remotely what i said!

Guess we all need tube amps

iPods have audio chips, not soundcards. And these things can be meade cheap in such large quantities as Apple makes them. I do know that when I play lossless through my Sennheiser headphones plugged into my iPod, it can sound fukking awesome. With mp3s the quality obviously is much worse.

Does STU play on this release? If yes, which songs?

Thanx!

René

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Guess we all need tube amps

LMAO. Indeed, we do. Many of us just don't know it.

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Is it just me or does Honky Tonk Women go on forever?

That's how they opened with Mick following the band out and mugging for the audience until signaling Keith to break into the song. A marvelous tension I shall never forget.

Having now downloaded and burnt the flac files...I'm even more impressed with this...the only thing which annoys the hell out of me is the weird noises which occaionally appear throughout Sympathy, I'm pretty sure it's Bobby's keyboard but it sounds like a swirling/whistleing noise and just doesn't fit in well at all. Otherwise, no complaints from me, although after so many decades of listening to Love You Live I'm having to adjust for the slight variations on some songs - my brain is expecting all the Love You Live nuances!

Clearmountain has done a competent job on this and I'm sure some of you have raised some relevant points about 'brickwalling' etc it sounds fantastic to me and after all it is supposed to be a bootleg.

Ready for the next one now!!!!

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Does STU play on this release? If yes, which songs?

Thanx!

René

From Stones Archive website : "The lineup for the show is Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Ronnie Wood, Bill Wyman, Ian "Stu" Stewart, Billy Preston, Ollie E. Brown and Trevor Lawrence."

OK, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this but no one seems to be addressing the source tape issue.

How can Bob Clearmountain "remaster" a recording that has never been mastered or released to begin with UNLESS he's doing so with the audience recording that has comprised this beloved bootleg for all of these years?

I have yet to play this on my 'big boy' system but on my after-market car system it seems to lack a bit depth and detail.

I'll leave it to more patient and educated ears than mine to determine if LA FRIDAY is indeed derived from unreleased, multi-track board tapes. Surely there are 'markers' or other indicators spelling out the differences, if there are any.

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The one here who collect every show,,,you should listen again Milwaukee-1975,,,to me mick does not sound sober,high on "something",his singing is absolutely maniac,so is the playing of the band.

Will burn La friday on cd today,and test it thru my 7000euro speakers

which ones ? speakers

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

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Best release so far!

Fantastic versions of ADTL, Gimmie Shelter, YCAGWYW, Heartbreaker, Angie, Wild Horses, Fingerprint File!!!, BS, Midnight Rambler and SFTD.

Complaints about the sound must be due to your sound systems, folks. For me, it sounds fantastic, really great.

I've never heard Ronnie and Keith better. Listen to Keith on Fingerprint File - fantastic stuff. Ronnie owns YCAGWYW - no versions is even near this one.

I'm blown away by this

agree.

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

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You can't change the dynamics once they're already squashed.

I listened to Captain Acid's Hampton81 "remaster" and there was no change

Because he almost hadn't anything changed. If I remember well he only had the sound lowered and did some slight EQ adjustements.

So what was changed with the GS track you heard?

Well balanced sound, less compressed and with no harshness, guitars that don't sound "metallic", drums that kick and full fat bass sound - not squashed like on the original release, and piano notes! I don't know how Mr. Kamphuis achieved this little miracle but it really sounds good.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-04 16:40 by kowalski.

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...the only thing which annoys the hell out of me is the weird noises which occaionally appear throughout Sympathy, I'm pretty sure it's Bobby's keyboard but it sounds like a swirling/whistleing noise and just doesn't fit in well at all.

That's Billy, not Bobby...and you're right. He made a lot of STRANGE noises. Just listen to the beginning of Brown Sugar....Fortunately he is mixed pretty low. He's a lot louder in the audience recordings....Ow!

There's some strange Billy sounds at the end of SFM from Brussels 73

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You can't change the dynamics once they're already squashed.

I listened to Captain Acid's Hampton81 "remaster" and there was no change

Because he almost hadn't anything changed. If I remember well he only had the sound lowered and did some slight EQ adjustements.

So what was changed with the GS track you heard?

Well balanced sound, less compressed and with no harshness, guitars that don't sound "metallic", drums that kick and full fat bass sound - not squashed like on the original release, and piano notes! I don't know how Mr. Kamphuis achieved this little miracle but it really sounds good.

It must have been divine intervention that helped him to restore lost dynamics, so yes a miracle

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OK, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this but no one seems to be addressing the source tape issue.

How can Bob Clearmountain "remaster" a recording that has never been mastered or released to begin with UNLESS he's doing so with the audience recording that has comprised this beloved bootleg for all of these years?

I have yet to play this on my 'big boy' system but on my after-market car system it seems to lack a bit depth and detail.

I'll leave it to more patient and educated ears than mine to determine if LA FRIDAY is indeed derived from unreleased, multi-track board tapes. Surely there are 'markers' or other indicators spelling out the differences, if there are any.

It's not an audience tape. It is clearly mixed from a multitrack professional recording.

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OK, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this but no one seems to be addressing the source tape issue.

How can Bob Clearmountain "remaster" a recording that has never been mastered or released to begin with UNLESS he's doing so with the audience recording that has comprised this beloved bootleg for all of these years?

I have yet to play this on my 'big boy' system but on my after-market car system it seems to lack a bit depth and detail.

I'll leave it to more patient and educated ears than mine to determine if LA FRIDAY is indeed derived from unreleased, multi-track board tapes. Surely there are 'markers' or other indicators spelling out the differences, if there are any.

LA FRIDAY is indeed derived from unreleased, multi-track board tapes, NOT the wellknown audience tape. It could well be that the reordings on multitrack were made and were to be used (eventually) on the Love You Live album. However, from LA, only SFTD from july 9, 1975 was used on LYL, if i'm correct...
So R, a remaster could well be made by Clearmountain if the master existed as a contender for the LYL album.

Good recording. Perhaps the best live version of GS that I've heard. Gave me chills listening to it. It's played well many, many times of course; but this one seemed really to capture the meaning behind the song. the intensity of the playing is great, and I think this is what they were expecting when they recruited Ronnie.

Great stuff.

Is it just me or does it sound like they never rehearsed You Gotta Move and just decided to play it out of the blue?

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...the only thing which annoys the hell out of me is the weird noises which occaionally appear throughout Sympathy, I'm pretty sure it's Bobby's keyboard but it sounds like a swirling/whistleing noise and just doesn't fit in well at all.

That's Billy, not Bobby...and you're right. He made a lot of STRANGE noises. Just listen to the beginning of Brown Sugar....Fortunately he is mixed pretty low. He's a lot louder in the audience recordings....Ow!

Whoops...meant to say Billy! Glad someone else hears it, at first I though I had some dodgy flac files.