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Erik_Snow
Those 2 songs, Kow Tow and Say You Will are amongs Jagger's best solo songs; but also....they are also the only 2 good songs Primitive Cool, I think
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Doxa
Honestly, I don't think there is not any other album that is killed so brutally with a leading single and video...
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Doxa
Honestly, I don't think there is not any other album that is killed so brutally with a leading single and video...
- Doxa
That may be true. But if Jagger had chosen War Baby as a single, and also made a musicvideo as classy as Let's Work to go along with it....it may had been even worse than Let's Work.
Never been able to watch more than 20 sec out of that above video, by the way...!
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liddas
Occasionally good (not great) songwriting is not enough to save Jagger's solo albums. His albums are by far the worst if compared to what Keith, Ronnie, even Charlie and Taylor did (Bill, I do not know because I never bought one of his).
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kammpberg
I loved Primitive Cool and still enjoy it to this day. But I also really liked She's The Boss. They both sound a bit dated now, but that's not a fair "fault" of the albums themselves. They were of their times. .
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Stoneage
As you pointed out Doxa, the album didn't go down well among Stonesfans and the kids didn't give a sh*t. So you wonder: What public was he aiming at? It probably had decent sales figures anyway solely due to his name. These albums were Jagger's attempt to make a new career, re-energize himself and try to keep in touch with the times. But as it turned out they showed that he was basically lost in time. He was too old to start a new career.
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liddas
Occasionally good (not great) songwriting is not enough to save Jagger's solo albums. His albums are by far the worst if compared to what Keith, Ronnie, even Charlie and Taylor did (Bill, I do not know because I never bought one of his).
I think the difference of Jagger as a songwriter to the others mentioned is that he can make finished songs. With his lyrics and clear melody structures he glues the songs into compact units wheras especially Keith's solo stuff is from an song-writer point of view a bit half-baked/half-thought, just throwing some key phares and leading vocals to base of riffage and chord sequences (but sometimes that, of course, makes a wonderful listening experience, by capturing the feeling).
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liddas
Occasionally good (not great) songwriting is not enough to save Jagger's solo albums. His albums are by far the worst if compared to what Keith, Ronnie, even Charlie and Taylor did (Bill, I do not know because I never bought one of his).
Keith is the only one who was able to create music on the same level of the best Stones' stuff. Different, sure, but same quality work.
Jagger made She's the Boss that is quite good. All the others that follow are the repetition of the same scheme. Is any ballad really different or better than Hard Woman? Same for the fast song.
Primitive Cool is not much worse than Boss, but is way better than the grately overrated Spirit.
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Doxa
I think we need to notice that PRIMITIVE COOL - with its leading single/video -, was more radical and more far from the Stones comfort zone than SHE'S THE BOSS. I think Jagger intentionally kept SHE'S THE BOSS quite close to The Stones. It really sounded like an album made by a Rolling Stone - just softening certain elements to suit to certain modern trends. There is a current, say Prince influences, but even a hardcore Stones fan feels the atmopshere quite cozy (that was what Ricahrds complained as well - sounding too much Rolling Stones!)
But with PRIMITIVE COOL Jagger really took a risk and tried to create a rather different musical soundscape altogether. He wanted to reach out. That's all I can think of the "Let's Work" fiasco. Was he really thinking finding a new audience, I don't know. Maybe he just followed hís muse, and hoped for the best.
But then, after the commercial failure of PRIMITIVE COOL, WANDERING SPIRIT was really safe and sure album if one particular audience is in mind - like said by many, it is best Rolling Stones album since TATTOO YOU...
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kammpberg
I loved Primitive Cool and still enjoy it to this day. But I also really liked She's The Boss. They both sound a bit dated now, but that's not a fair "fault" of the albums themselves. They were of their times. .
The probelm with the 80's albums is, of course, the dated sound, and this I think is one of the biggest obstacles in trying to enjoy the album. Mostly I can't do that (I grew up in the middle of all that, and I survived to tell the story but surely not have nostalgic desires). I think for example that DIRTY WORK and STEEL WHEELS simply fail as albums due their production/sound, and there is not enough substance beyond that - good music - to compansate the loss. But there are two specific albums that sound terribly so slicky mid-80's as poosible but I still 'forgive' that: Jagger's PRIMITIVE COOL and Dylan's EMPIRE BURLESQUE. I think both of them contain such good songs and musical effort that the 'ugly' context does not totally kill it.
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Stoneage
You sometimes ask yourself: Why does he bother to do interviews at all when he almost never answers the questions?