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Hairball
I was referring to this comment of yours as being cynical:
"The Stones hate Between The Buttons for the most part and they are wrong".
Why is someone's opinion wrong? Especially coming from the artists who created the work? Simply because you disagree with them? Does this make you right and everybody else wrong?
As for all of your citations above, sounds like you're probably reading too many articles and reviews and basing your opinions on that rather than allowing yourself to form your own opinion.
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Is Stephen Davis wrong in thinking that?
On one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
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TheGreekOn one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
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TheGreekOn one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
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TheGreekOn one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
1970. Immigrant song wasn't around in 1969.
The DVD you mention was a Boot ? I would love to have more live Zeppelin DVD's.The only Zeppelin live Boot I have is from Knebworth 1979 which is really good which was proshot and never released ,some places in the disc could have used cleaning up because of the stage lighting but over all pretty nice .Quote
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TheGreekOn one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
LOL thats literally what I'm listening to right now. On the new reissue of Led Zep I they had a bonus disc of a live show from 1969 from Paris. I remember hearing it right when it came out (cause annoyingly in those reissues it was the ONLY one that came with a live counterpart) and I remember being pretty disappointed. Its Zeppelin, but its pretty sloppy Zeppelin, and jammy Zeppelin. I like that in doses, but its VERY raw (almost too much so for me). I much prefer the 72 and 73 releases in How The West Was Won and Song Remains The Same that are far tighter. Arguably they lose a bit of that club jammy feel, but I prefer that kind of show. Royal Albert Hall (which I was wrong is from 1970) I was seeing last night was a bit better than this 1969 one for me. Maybe cause it was visual, but I thought it was overall more engaging. The 1969 one I'm listening to again now is good, but I remember why I never thought I'd hear it again. Its just too jammy and raw for me, but its nice to have for historical context.
I so wish they released more live stuff from accompanying tours with the new reissues. I know there are a lot of bootlegs out there but I don't seek them out and it would have been cool to have live shows from each era cause they are all so different. Ironically the only one they came out with was just a bit too much for me. I'm hearing the 69 one and thinking how I'm so much more on the edge of my seat with How The West Was Won. It opens with Communication Breakdown (How The West opens with Immigrant Song). It is good though. I can't say they aren't killing it here, just a bit too jammy for my taste. Half of the set is Black Mountainside and Moby Dick soloing which is just too much for me lol!
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TheGreekThe DVD you mention was a Boot ? I would love to have more live Zeppelin DVD's.The only Zeppelin live Boot I have is from Knebworth 1979 which is really good which was proshot and never released ,some places in the disc could have used cleaning up because of the stage lighting but over all pretty nice .Quote
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TheGreekOn one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
LOL thats literally what I'm listening to right now. On the new reissue of Led Zep I they had a bonus disc of a live show from 1969 from Paris. I remember hearing it right when it came out (cause annoyingly in those reissues it was the ONLY one that came with a live counterpart) and I remember being pretty disappointed. Its Zeppelin, but its pretty sloppy Zeppelin, and jammy Zeppelin. I like that in doses, but its VERY raw (almost too much so for me). I much prefer the 72 and 73 releases in How The West Was Won and Song Remains The Same that are far tighter. Arguably they lose a bit of that club jammy feel, but I prefer that kind of show. Royal Albert Hall (which I was wrong is from 1970) I was seeing last night was a bit better than this 1969 one for me. Maybe cause it was visual, but I thought it was overall more engaging. The 1969 one I'm listening to again now is good, but I remember why I never thought I'd hear it again. Its just too jammy and raw for me, but its nice to have for historical context.
I so wish they released more live stuff from accompanying tours with the new reissues. I know there are a lot of bootlegs out there but I don't seek them out and it would have been cool to have live shows from each era cause they are all so different. Ironically the only one they came out with was just a bit too much for me. I'm hearing the 69 one and thinking how I'm so much more on the edge of my seat with How The West Was Won. It opens with Communication Breakdown (How The West opens with Immigrant Song). It is good though. I can't say they aren't killing it here, just a bit too jammy for my taste. Half of the set is Black Mountainside and Moby Dick soloing which is just too much for me lol!
I wish I had both Earl's court shows and ditto for the Seattle Kingdom show from 1977 which I had a nosebleed ticket but I could not come up with the $ for airfare as I was only 16 in 1977 and my parents laughed at me when I asked them for the money to go with my friends here on the East Coast .Darn it .Quote
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TheGreekThe DVD you mention was a Boot ? I would love to have more live Zeppelin DVD's.The only Zeppelin live Boot I have is from Knebworth 1979 which is really good which was proshot and never released ,some places in the disc could have used cleaning up because of the stage lighting but over all pretty nice .Quote
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TheGreekOn one of the most recent album rereleases they included a bonus CD of a live show from 1969 and I can not remember if it was Royal Albert Hall or the other place in London which the name escapes me and if this is the same show that you are talking about it is mind blowing good .Talk about at the top of their game ,and this is 1969 .If I remember correctly the open with Immigrant Song and they close with a stunning How Many More TimesQuote
RollingFreak
Watched the Royal Albert Hall show from 69 tonight. @#$%&, what a show. What a band really young like that. Robert Plant is like 21, maybe 22 there! What a force. Definitely drags on at times, but when they are on man are they unstoppable. I've always had that DVD but never actually seen that early show in full I don't think. So much rawer than the later stuff that was a bit more put together and such. Those 4 guys made some incredible music.
LOL thats literally what I'm listening to right now. On the new reissue of Led Zep I they had a bonus disc of a live show from 1969 from Paris. I remember hearing it right when it came out (cause annoyingly in those reissues it was the ONLY one that came with a live counterpart) and I remember being pretty disappointed. Its Zeppelin, but its pretty sloppy Zeppelin, and jammy Zeppelin. I like that in doses, but its VERY raw (almost too much so for me). I much prefer the 72 and 73 releases in How The West Was Won and Song Remains The Same that are far tighter. Arguably they lose a bit of that club jammy feel, but I prefer that kind of show. Royal Albert Hall (which I was wrong is from 1970) I was seeing last night was a bit better than this 1969 one for me. Maybe cause it was visual, but I thought it was overall more engaging. The 1969 one I'm listening to again now is good, but I remember why I never thought I'd hear it again. Its just too jammy and raw for me, but its nice to have for historical context.
I so wish they released more live stuff from accompanying tours with the new reissues. I know there are a lot of bootlegs out there but I don't seek them out and it would have been cool to have live shows from each era cause they are all so different. Ironically the only one they came out with was just a bit too much for me. I'm hearing the 69 one and thinking how I'm so much more on the edge of my seat with How The West Was Won. It opens with Communication Breakdown (How The West opens with Immigrant Song). It is good though. I can't say they aren't killing it here, just a bit too jammy for my taste. Half of the set is Black Mountainside and Moby Dick soloing which is just too much for me lol!
You don't have the proshots(actually screen feeds like the two Knebworth shows) of both Earl's Court shows from '75 and Seattle '77?
The same ones I have as well . I do have the remastered Song Remains the Same movie with all of the remaining footage from those shows which the original was culled from , so that's pretty nice .I just don't get the gold mine that Jimmy Page is sitting on and time is of an essence as none of us is getting any younger and for the life of me I do not get why Mr.Page and for that matter the Glimmer Twins are not mining the vaults for more live releases of shows on audio/video especially VIDEO ? What the heck is their problem and what the heck are they waiting for ? I am a most rabid collector of all of this stuff and to me it's money in the bank to sell this stuff and pad their bank accounts .Something like a live CD/DVD monthly club or quarterly club and start putting out shows .both Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger are so protective of their legacy's and so easily dismissive of the tinniest wart or hiccup for dare the public see or hear something that they do not wish us to see or hear .To me I want complete shows from start to finish with warts and all as they actually happened and I detest the cleaning up and editing of these shows .I will pay gladly for the product that I want and by them not doing this more frequently to me is a missed money maker for them .Rant over .Quote
RollingFreak
Nah, I don't have any bootleg DVDs. Just that official one they put out (the two disc one with the desert on the cover). Its got Royal Albert Hall 1970 on one disc then Disc 2 is some outtakes from 73 Song Remains The Same, Earls Court, Knebworth, and maybe one other show. Great stuff all around. Really well put together. That, Celebration Day, and the Song Remains The Same Movie are the only Zep DVDs I have.
Boss sells the downloads from the concerts which I have the last 2 E-Streets shows that I went to most recently .So that's pretty nice .Quote
RollingFreak
Totally agree. Bruce Springsteen, to a certain extent, is the same way. I don't @#$%& get it. Your fanbase will be DEAD before you put most of this stuff out. Do it NOW! The remasters were the time to get some live stuff from Zep and Page took the laziest approach with bonus material for those. They clearly had almost nothing in the vault, yet he touted it like they did.
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TheGreekBoss sells the downloads from the concerts which I have the last 2 E-Streets shows that I went to most recently .So that's pretty nice .Quote
RollingFreak
Totally agree. Bruce Springsteen, to a certain extent, is the same way. I don't @#$%& get it. Your fanbase will be DEAD before you put most of this stuff out. Do it NOW! The remasters were the time to get some live stuff from Zep and Page took the laziest approach with bonus material for those. They clearly had almost nothing in the vault, yet he touted it like they did.
You just cracked me up about your comment about Page ,very funny . I do know there are boots galore out there but it's not the same as official stuff and I just wish they would open the damn vaults and just sell them A-La Carte .I would love at the very least from Led Zeppelin to have a official release on CD and DVD if possible from every tour .The Stones have given us something fro 69, 72,75, 78,81, which are pretty nice . Now we need stuff from 89, 94, 97 , and most certainly from The NO SECURITY TOUR from 1999 .Then bring on the Licks tour 2003, ditto for the A Bigger Bang tour ,then 2012,2013,2014,2015,2016 and 2017 lastly .Bring it on !Quote
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TheGreekBoss sells the downloads from the concerts which I have the last 2 E-Streets shows that I went to most recently .So that's pretty nice .Quote
RollingFreak
Totally agree. Bruce Springsteen, to a certain extent, is the same way. I don't @#$%& get it. Your fanbase will be DEAD before you put most of this stuff out. Do it NOW! The remasters were the time to get some live stuff from Zep and Page took the laziest approach with bonus material for those. They clearly had almost nothing in the vault, yet he touted it like they did.
I agree. He did get on the train eventually. I give credit to the Stones for some of the archive releases. There could be so much more but at least they're doing something. Zep has literally done very little, even though Page seems to masturbate to Zeppelin 24 hours a day as evidenced by how many times he's remastered the stuff. Maybe because there are so many good and complete bootlegs out there he doesn't feel the need, but there should be so much more official material from them.
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TheGreek
[www.backstreets.com] Do you know about his fan site ? I was the same way as you about Brussels and I never had any desire to get the boot (probably because of quality issue if I am going to be honest ) and then I get the official release and it's one of my favorite live Stones to blast thru the big speakers at home ,because to me it's perfection along with Ladies and Gentleman DVD .
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RollingFreak
Nah, I don't have any bootleg DVDs. Just that official one they put out (the two disc one with the desert on the cover). Its got Royal Albert Hall 1970 on one disc then Disc 2 is some outtakes from 73 Song Remains The Same, Earls Court, Knebworth, and maybe one other show. Great stuff all around. Really well put together. That, Celebration Day, and the Song Remains The Same Movie are the only Zep DVDs I have.
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rattler2004
The ‘Companion’ discs are a let down...a few gems sprinkled among them, but hardly enough to justify....as far as anything new or unreleased.
As far as bootlegs, The Devil’s Blues: San Fransisco Filmore West April ‘69 is excellent. Raw and powerful.
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Hairball
Never say never...it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings...
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Hairball
Never say never...it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings...
As great as the O2 was, if they do play the 2018 Desert Trip (which has been rumored) the only wildcard is Jimmy Page...Plant has been playing live regularly, Jason has been as well, JPJ is the consulate professional that I doubt he’d be out of shape...Page hasn’t been playing...he’s been known to have his nerves get the better of him...Live Aid and especially Atlantic’s 40th, where by all accounts their practice and sound check before the broadcast tore the faces off of all who witnessed them only for Page to lay a big egg on the stage when it was Go time.
Anyway I tied to go to the O2 and will definately go back to the Desert Trip if they play...just not so sure it’ll live up to the expectation.