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You nailed it witem8. Holy is a great word for it. Nellcote and Sunset Sound should be named historic landmarks, IMO.
There is not much left, right?
but they do help to ruin any exile songs performed by the vegas stones.
What about the answer/punchline: "I (don't) like double albums." Is that funny?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-12 22:03 by kleermaker.
The frequent use of backup singers and horns on Exile, IMO, makes it more of an "ensemble" record than a "core 5" Rolling Stones album (compared to Sticky Fingers, for example, where a larger share of what you hear is Mick, Keith, Mick T, Bill, and Charlie). In a sense, it foreshadows the number of musicians who would be on stage with the Stones in the later part of their career.
I would also suggest that because the female back-ups and horns are so prominent, it is less a "rock and roll" record than a homespun gospel album.
Drew
Did you expect Keith to do it?
brussels shows us what he could have done in rip this joint (and him and keith in angie )
"Hey, this isn't the only place where I'll order two doubles!"
Well, that's funny angee, because it was meant as irony, not as a joke.
Amsterdamned: Rip This Joint on Brussels, that's my answer too (thanks to straycatblues73). I'm also not a 'fan' of Waiting On A Friend, partly because of the boring sax. Sorry Sonny.
Yep. Shine a Light, Tumbling Dice and Let It Loose are such utter turds.
Moving away from recycling old blues riffs was such a retrograde step.
...and the winner is! Nice one.
I may have said something like, "I need two doubles to get my rocks off"...wait, that doesn't work.
How 'bout, "never mind that, gimme two singles without ice, in other words, with the rocks off".
"So I can give one to the next bum I see with a working turntable so he can blast it for the masses!"
With the recent deluxe and super deluxe editions, I've bought Exile seven times (three vinyl copies, the original CD, the '94 remaster, and two of the recent editions)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-14 11:40 by baxlap.
I can live with the chicks.
I can easily live without too much sax.
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Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: June 12, 2010 10:16
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whitem8
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The backup singers are purely sublime. And create The Stones ragged alter in their church of excess to fully appreciate the beauty in skating so close to death. Wonderful and holy.
You nailed it witem8. Holy is a great word for it. Nellcote and Sunset Sound should be named historic landmarks, IMO.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
electricmud
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Date: June 12, 2010 12:45
I`m speachless...and threads like this one get so much response (incl mine). I think you wouldn`t start a thread like this if you know anything about the Stones` musical influences ( in this case Blues/Gospel) or music in general and the beautiness of Exile that includes all of these styles...and then using the word "horrible". .. ok, better to stop here. Cheers, enjoy!
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
alimente
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Date: June 12, 2010 19:54
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treaclefingerseven the cover is a little suspect. Black and White...how cliche!Quote
alimente
I always thought that Micks lead and Keith backing vocals destroyed Exile. Not to even mention the guitars - without them Exile would sound totally different. While I am at it, I would also argue that also Bills bass makes Exile horrible. Charlies drumming...my god, what a letdown. Nicky plink plink Hopkins - I would not let him anywhere near a rock and roll record. And the lyrics are not very convincing too. Theres also some awful sax on the record. And some cheap sounding percussion.
Thinking about it, Exile is only saved by the female backing vocals. And the cover.
Ever since they stopped including the postcards, they totally lost me.
There is not much left, right?
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: June 12, 2010 19:59
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alimenteQuote
treaclefingerseven the cover is a little suspect. Black and White...how cliche!Quote
alimente
I always thought that Micks lead and Keith backing vocals destroyed Exile. Not to even mention the guitars - without them Exile would sound totally different. While I am at it, I would also argue that also Bills bass makes Exile horrible. Charlies drumming...my god, what a letdown. Nicky plink plink Hopkins - I would not let him anywhere near a rock and roll record. And the lyrics are not very convincing too. Theres also some awful sax on the record. And some cheap sounding percussion.
Thinking about it, Exile is only saved by the female backing vocals. And the cover.
Ever since they stopped including the postcards, they totally lost me.
Forgot to mention how horrible Al Perkins' steel guitar playing and Bill Plummer's stand-up bass playing were.
There is not much left, right?
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
Slick
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Date: June 12, 2010 20:10
on the album? absolutely not...Quote
tipps
Did the female back up make exile horrible
but they do help to ruin any exile songs performed by the vegas stones.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
Beelyboy
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Date: June 12, 2010 21:53
which EXILES tracks would you be referring to please?
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: June 12, 2010 22:02
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treaclefingersQuote
behroezQuote
treaclefingersQuote
Stones Blah
This thread must be a joke.
"Guy walks into a bar with 2 versions of Exile on Mainstreet under his arm, bartender says to him, he says, 'why you got two copies of that record under your arm', the guys says to him, he says, '...........insert punchline here......."
Let's see if we can complete the joke!
He says; "i love this record so much that i wouldn't know what to do when i would loose it, so i bought two copies, if i loose one, i still have the other".
The only thing funny about that punchline my friend, is the fact that you thought it was funny!
What about the answer/punchline: "I (don't) like double albums." Is that funny?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-12 22:03 by kleermaker.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
drewmaster
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Date: June 13, 2010 05:09
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Slickon the album? absolutely not...Quote
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Did the female back up make exile horrible
but they do help to ruin any exile songs performed by the vegas stones.
The frequent use of backup singers and horns on Exile, IMO, makes it more of an "ensemble" record than a "core 5" Rolling Stones album (compared to Sticky Fingers, for example, where a larger share of what you hear is Mick, Keith, Mick T, Bill, and Charlie). In a sense, it foreshadows the number of musicians who would be on stage with the Stones in the later part of their career.
I would also suggest that because the female back-ups and horns are so prominent, it is less a "rock and roll" record than a homespun gospel album.
Drew
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: June 13, 2010 05:12
What songs on Exile have female back up singers?
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: June 13, 2010 12:54
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tipps
In my opinion I think Mick shouldn't have put the female back up on some Exile tracks. I think without it would have been great.
Did you expect Keith to do it?
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
mckalk
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Date: June 13, 2010 13:09
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drewmasterQuote
Slickon the album? absolutely not...Quote
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Did the female back up make exile horrible
but they do help to ruin any exile songs performed by the vegas stones.
Is this a good or bad thing in your opinion? And really Exile is so much more than just back up singers or gospel influence, not sure I get the fixation. It is double album for gods sake,kind of runs the gamut of the Stones influences and that is what makes it great.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-13 13:29 by mckalk.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
klrkcr
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Date: June 13, 2010 13:15
My answer to the original question is NO way, the female back ups add to the feel/ mood of the album.Nothing wrong with Exile.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: June 13, 2010 15:40
"The frequent use of backup singers and horns on Exile, IMO, makes it more of an "ensemble" record than a "core 5" Rolling Stones album (compared to Sticky Fingers, for example, where a larger share of what you hear is Mick, Keith, Mick T, Bill, and Charlie). In a sense, it foreshadows the number of musicians who would be on stage with the Stones in the later part of their career." Quote drewmaster/Drew.
An interesting opinion. Those who love Exile (me too) should not be blind for it. Imo it there's too much horns on Exile. Sometimes I think: why a sax solo again, I want to hear Mick T. playing the solo instead of Keys. I'm also not fond of the sax as an instrument. As for the backup vocals: I have no problem with them on Exile, they are not dominant and often fit in well. But later the backup vocals were replacing an essential part of the band itself, covering its shortcomings.
An interesting opinion. Those who love Exile (me too) should not be blind for it. Imo it there's too much horns on Exile. Sometimes I think: why a sax solo again, I want to hear Mick T. playing the solo instead of Keys. I'm also not fond of the sax as an instrument. As for the backup vocals: I have no problem with them on Exile, they are not dominant and often fit in well. But later the backup vocals were replacing an essential part of the band itself, covering its shortcomings.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: June 13, 2010 16:03
<Sometimes I think: why a sax solo again, I want to hear Mick T. playing the solo instead of Keys. I'm also not fond of the sax as an instrument. As for the backup vocals: I have no problem with them on Exile, <Kleermaker> >
I disagree on this Kleermaker:
I think Bobby Keys was the perfect Sax player for the Rolling Stones. His sleazy tone and melodic aproach were a perfect match with Taylor's sleazy playing and melodic approach.
Sonny Rollins Sax solo on waiting on a friend was great too.:
On his addition to the track, Jagger said in 1985;
"I had a lot of trepidation about working with Sonny Rollins. This guy's a giant of the saxophone. Charlie said, 'He's never going to want to play on a Rolling Stones record!' I said, 'Yes he is going to want to.' And he did and he was wonderful. I said, 'Would you like me to stay out there in the studio?' He said, 'Yeah, you tell me where you want me to play and DANCE the part out.' So I did that. And that's very important: communication in hand, dance, whatever. You don't have to do a whole ballet, but sometimes that movement of the shoulder tells the guy to kick in on the beat"
I disagree on this Kleermaker:
I think Bobby Keys was the perfect Sax player for the Rolling Stones. His sleazy tone and melodic aproach were a perfect match with Taylor's sleazy playing and melodic approach.
Sonny Rollins Sax solo on waiting on a friend was great too.:On his addition to the track, Jagger said in 1985;
"I had a lot of trepidation about working with Sonny Rollins. This guy's a giant of the saxophone. Charlie said, 'He's never going to want to play on a Rolling Stones record!' I said, 'Yes he is going to want to.' And he did and he was wonderful. I said, 'Would you like me to stay out there in the studio?' He said, 'Yeah, you tell me where you want me to play and DANCE the part out.' So I did that. And that's very important: communication in hand, dance, whatever. You don't have to do a whole ballet, but sometimes that movement of the shoulder tells the guy to kick in on the beat"
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
angee
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Date: June 13, 2010 17:25
Thanks for that info from Mick's interview on what Rollins said,
Amsterdamned!
Kleermaker, I thought your joke was mildly funny.
Amsterdamned!
Kleermaker, I thought your joke was mildly funny.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
straycatblues73
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Date: June 13, 2010 17:43
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kleermaker
"The frequent use of backup singers and horns on Exile, IMO, makes it more of an "ensemble" record than a "core 5" Rolling Stones album (compared to Sticky Fingers, for example, where a larger share of what you hear is Mick, Keith, Mick T, Bill, and Charlie). In a sense, it foreshadows the number of musicians who would be on stage with the Stones in the later part of their career." Quote drewmaster/Drew.
An interesting opinion. Those who love Exile (me too) should not be blind for it. Imo it there's too much horns on Exile. Sometimes I think: why a sax solo again, I want to hear Mick T. playing the solo instead of Keys. I'm also not fond of the sax as an instrument. As for the backup vocals: I have no problem with them on Exile, they are not dominant and often fit in well. But later the backup vocals were replacing an essential part of the band itself, covering its shortcomings.
brussels shows us what he could have done in rip this joint (and him and keith in angie )
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
loog droog
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Date: June 13, 2010 18:25
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treaclefingersQuote
Stones Blah
This thread must be a joke.
"Guy walks into a bar with 2 versions of Exile on Mainstreet under his arm, bartender says to him, he says, 'why you got two copies of that record under your arm', the guys says to him, he says, '...........
"Hey, this isn't the only place where I'll order two doubles!"
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: June 13, 2010 19:59
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angee
Thanks for that info from Mick's interview on what Rollins said,
Amsterdamned!
Kleermaker, I thought your joke was mildly funny.
Well, that's funny angee, because it was meant as irony, not as a joke.
Amsterdamned: Rip This Joint on Brussels, that's my answer too (thanks to straycatblues73). I'm also not a 'fan' of Waiting On A Friend, partly because of the boring sax. Sorry Sonny.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: June 13, 2010 20:46
<Amsterdamned: Rip This Joint on Brussels><Kleermaker>
Yes,great Taylor solo,but a different occasion..
Yes,great Taylor solo,but a different occasion..
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: June 13, 2010 21:32
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tipps
In my opinion I think Mick shouldn't have put the female back up on some Exile tracks. I think without it would have been great.
Yep. Shine a Light, Tumbling Dice and Let It Loose are such utter turds.
Moving away from recycling old blues riffs was such a retrograde step.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: June 13, 2010 23:46
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loog droogQuote
treaclefingersQuote
Stones Blah
This thread must be a joke.
"Guy walks into a bar with 2 versions of Exile on Mainstreet under his arm, bartender says to him, he says, 'why you got two copies of that record under your arm', the guys says to him, he says, '...........
"Hey, this isn't the only place where I'll order two doubles!"
...and the winner is! Nice one.
I may have said something like, "I need two doubles to get my rocks off"...wait, that doesn't work.
How 'bout, "never mind that, gimme two singles without ice, in other words, with the rocks off".
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
mickscarey
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Date: June 13, 2010 23:47
No - they are great
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
baxlap
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Date: June 14, 2010 07:57
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treaclefingersQuote
Stones Blah
This thread must be a joke.
"Guy walks into a bar with 2 versions of Exile on Mainstreet under his arm, bartender says to him, he says, 'why you got two copies of that record under your arm', the guys says to him, he says, '...........insert punchline here......."
Let's see if we can complete the joke!
"So I can give one to the next bum I see with a working turntable so he can blast it for the masses!"
With the recent deluxe and super deluxe editions, I've bought Exile seven times (three vinyl copies, the original CD, the '94 remaster, and two of the recent editions)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-06-14 11:40 by baxlap.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
MKjan
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Date: June 14, 2010 08:09
Love the way they use female back up singers on Exile.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: June 14, 2010 17:44
Rocks Off - Horns
Rip This Joint - Sax
Shake Your Hips - Horns
Casino Boogie - Sax
Tumbling Dice - CHICKS
Sweet Virginia - Sax, various people singing backups
Torn And Frayed - nothing
Sweet Black Angel - nothing
Loving Cup - Horns, steel drums
Happy - Horns
Turd On The Run - nothing
Ventilator Blues - Horns
Let It Loose - Horns, CHICKS
All Down The Line - Horns, CHICKS (it sounds like it anyway)
Stop Breaking Down - nothing
Shine A Light - CHICKS
Soul Survivor - CHICKS
So that's five songs that have backup female vocals. If backup female vocals ruin songs then that hardly ruins - not even half ruins, Exile.
Rip This Joint - Sax
Shake Your Hips - Horns
Casino Boogie - Sax
Tumbling Dice - CHICKS
Sweet Virginia - Sax, various people singing backups
Torn And Frayed - nothing
Sweet Black Angel - nothing
Loving Cup - Horns, steel drums
Happy - Horns
Turd On The Run - nothing
Ventilator Blues - Horns
Let It Loose - Horns, CHICKS
All Down The Line - Horns, CHICKS (it sounds like it anyway)
Stop Breaking Down - nothing
Shine A Light - CHICKS
Soul Survivor - CHICKS
So that's five songs that have backup female vocals. If backup female vocals ruin songs then that hardly ruins - not even half ruins, Exile.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: June 14, 2010 23:18
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skipstone
Rocks Off - Horns
Rip This Joint - Sax
Shake Your Hips - Horns
Casino Boogie - Sax
Tumbling Dice - CHICKS
Sweet Virginia - Sax, various people singing backups
Torn And Frayed - nothing
Sweet Black Angel - nothing
Loving Cup - Horns, steel drums
Happy - Horns
Turd On The Run - nothing
Ventilator Blues - Horns
Let It Loose - Horns, CHICKS
All Down The Line - Horns, CHICKS (it sounds like it anyway)
Stop Breaking Down - nothing
Shine A Light - CHICKS
Soul Survivor - CHICKS
So that's five songs that have backup female vocals. If backup female vocals ruin songs then that hardly ruins - not even half ruins, Exile.
I can live with the chicks.
I can easily live without too much sax.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
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Date: June 15, 2010 00:35
Always thought Fat Jaques made Exile horrible...
Imagine they would´ve engaged them...
Ensemble de saxophones de Provence
. Last edit at 2010-06-15 01:06 by shortfatfanny.)
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kleermaker
I can easily live without too much sax.
Imagine they would´ve engaged them...
Ensemble de saxophones de Provence
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
CindyC
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Date: June 15, 2010 01:22
You forgot Just Wanna See His Face - CHICKS.
That's 6. 30% - still not too much.
Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.
That's 6. 30% - still not too much.
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skipstone
Rocks Off - Horns
Rip This Joint - Sax
Shake Your Hips - Horns
Casino Boogie - Sax
Tumbling Dice - CHICKS
Sweet Virginia - Sax, various people singing backups
Torn And Frayed - nothing
Sweet Black Angel - nothing
Loving Cup - Horns, steel drums
Happy - Horns
Turd On The Run - nothing
Ventilator Blues - Horns
Let It Loose - Horns, CHICKS
All Down The Line - Horns, CHICKS (it sounds like it anyway)
Stop Breaking Down - nothing
Shine A Light - CHICKS
Soul Survivor - CHICKS
So that's five songs that have backup female vocals. If backup female vocals ruin songs then that hardly ruins - not even half ruins, Exile.
Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: June 15, 2010 01:25
Oh yeah. I always forget that song ha ha.
Re: Did the female back up make exile horrible
Posted by:
john r
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Date: June 16, 2010 02:14
The 'chick' backing vocals are by (mostly) New Orleans legends/expatriates living in LA - like the RS, Exiles on MS - Dr John, Tammi Lynn, etc are only on what, four songs? The finished T,Dice has more of its NOLA flavour thanks tothe bv's and horns. But what they add to Let it Loose renders it all the more sublime, and cathartic emotionally. On ADTL they're I suppose Ikettes.
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