I'm sorry but "kissing cut in cans" doesn't make sense to me as a phrase, despite an attempt to justify it in those terms. Whereas kissing c*nt is definitely a well known and well used phrase. I could maybe go with kissing cut in Cannes if there was a specific event where maybe Dietrich movie had a steamy scene cut for the film festival or something... but I doubt it.

Regarding RS.com, I think that they have and employee who has trawled the internet and/or other sources for the lyrics to songs and then posted them up. I highly doubt that it can be taken to be the definitive version! Let's face it, lyrics on some CD liner notes have been wrong in the past. WHat's more, the OFFICIAL published music by the Stone's official publishing company listed the lyrics of Star Star as Starbucker and "I bet you keep your pussy clean" as "now that really is a scene".

I personally feel that the way these lyrics dive in and out and don't make any obvious sense is brilliant and sits perfectly with the whole ethos of Exile. Keith often says that the words don't really matter - they're just sounds - so I wonder if these were Keef lyrics taking this to the extreme.

The one problem I have with the cut-up theory is that the song rhymes and has a great sense of rythm to the lyrics. It might be more likely that the lyrics were simply what came into their mind first and fitted with the SOUND they were trying to make - and were just kept irrespective of whether they made any sense. Of course it's just my wild speculation but it just might be...

While we're at it, this is what I hear:

CASINO BOOGIE (M. Jagger & K. Richards)
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No good, can't speak
Wound up, no sleep
Sky diver, insider
Slit throat, stunt flyer

Wounded lover, got no time on hand
One last cycle, thrill freak Uncle Sam
Closed for business, know you'll understand
Judge and jury walk out hand in hand

Dietrich movies, close up bogies
Kids they're cutting cane
Protest music, million dollar fad
Got no tactics, got no time on hand

Left shoe shuffle, right shoe muffle
Sinking in the sand
Fade out freedom, steaming heat on
Watch that hat in black
Finger twitching, got no time on hand

copyright (c) 1972 Promopub B.V.

Is it "insider" or "in cider"?

Seriously though, the "Protest music, million dollar fad" makes sense as a lyric more than "million dollar sad"!

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Sounds like another drugged out day on the Cote D'Azure.

Right,especially with "sinking in the sand "

BTW,Idefinitely hear "kissing cuts in Cannes ,that fits well with the Cannes 'festival.



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that's not it either

Yes it is. It's exactly it. But since your the big huge Rolling Stones fan. Why don't you post your version.

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Is it "insider" or "in cider"?

Seriously though, the "Protest music, million dollar fad" makes sense as a lyric more than "million dollar sad"!

It's "million dollar sad"...Again, the lyrics are impressionistic. They are snapshots. It is not a linear story. Attempts to over-analyze them will fail, as there is less there than meets the eye. These lyrics are brilliant word-pictures.

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Is it "insider" or "in cider"?

Seriously though, the "Protest music, million dollar fad" makes sense as a lyric more than "million dollar sad"!

It's "million dollar sad"...Again, the lyrics are impressionistic. They are snapshots. It is not a linear story. Attempts to over-analyze them will fail, as there is less there than meets the eye. These lyrics are brilliant word-pictures.

It's something between impressionistic and expressionistic imo, like the great works of the Dutch painter Van Gogh during the last years of his life.

The lyrics, the sound of the words and the diction go very well together with the music. Great song, very well performed by the whole band. Would love to have heard it live in the Taylor years, just like they did Torn and frayed, Sweet black angel and Ventilator blues during the 72 tour. Marvellous versions.

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Is it "insider" or "in cider"?

Seriously though, the "Protest music, million dollar fad" makes sense as a lyric more than "million dollar sad"!

It's "million dollar sad"...Again, the lyrics are impressionistic. They are snapshots. It is not a linear story. Attempts to over-analyze them will fail, as there is less there than meets the eye. These lyrics are brilliant word-pictures.

It's something between impressionistic and expressionistic imo, like the great works of the Dutch painter Van Gogh during the last years of his life.

The lyrics, the sound of the words and the diction go very well together with the music. Great song, very well performed by the whole band. Would love to have heard it live in the Taylor years, just like they did Torn and frayed, Sweet black angel and Ventilator blues during the 72 tour. Marvellous versions.

Didn't they only try those Exile songs in Vancouver and then drop them? Wish they had played all of them for the whole tour, especially Torn & Frayed and Ventilator.

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Is it "insider" or "in cider"?

Seriously though, the "Protest music, million dollar fad" makes sense as a lyric more than "million dollar sad"!

It's "million dollar sad"...Again, the lyrics are impressionistic. They are snapshots. It is not a linear story. Attempts to over-analyze them will fail, as there is less there than meets the eye. These lyrics are brilliant word-pictures.

It's something between impressionistic and expressionistic imo, like the great works of the Dutch painter Van Gogh during the last years of his life.

The lyrics, the sound of the words and the diction go very well together with the music. Great song, very well performed by the whole band. Would love to have heard it live in the Taylor years, just like they did Torn and frayed, Sweet black angel and Ventilator blues during the 72 tour. Marvellous versions.

Didn't they only try those Exile songs in Vancouver and then drop them? Wish they had played all of them for the whole tour, especially Torn & Frayed and Ventilator.

Indeed. Also Loving cup. Loving cup at least one, maybe two times more. But those two you mention belong to my favourites. I regularly take a listen to especially Torn and frayed in Vancouver 72. Just moving.

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Is it "insider" or "in cider"?

Seriously though, the "Protest music, million dollar fad" makes sense as a lyric more than "million dollar sad"!

It's "million dollar sad"...Again, the lyrics are impressionistic. They are snapshots. It is not a linear story. Attempts to over-analyze them will fail, as there is less there than meets the eye. These lyrics are brilliant word-pictures.

It's something between impressionistic and expressionistic imo, like the great works of the Dutch painter Van Gogh during the last years of his life.

The lyrics, the sound of the words and the diction go very well together with the music. Great song, very well performed by the whole band. Would love to have heard it live in the Taylor years, just like they did Torn and frayed, Sweet black angel and Ventilator blues during the 72 tour. Marvellous versions.

Didn't they only try those Exile songs in Vancouver and then drop them? Wish they had played all of them for the whole tour, especially Torn & Frayed and Ventilator.

Indeed. Also Loving cup. Loving cup at least one, maybe two times more. But those two you mention belong to my favourites. I regularly take a listen to especially Torn and frayed in Vancouver 72. Just moving.

Soul Survivor is rumoured to be played in '72 as well. No evidence though.

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"Dietrich movies, close up boogies
kissing kunt in Cannes"

I don't hear this nor do I think Jagger would be so crass - at least at that time. I think he sings "Kissing cut in cans". It is a reference to film making ie, to make a film cut, film canister, etc which is why there is a reference to Dietrich in the line before

Richards deliberately emphesizes the 'n' of both 'kunt' and 'cannes', he clearly likes the humor of it.

If I remember well it's stated in Tony Sanchez book that Anita Pallenberg kept on bleating about that all Jagger did was "kiss kunt in Cannes" while Richards was "trying to record an album". Also its stated that Anita only refered to Bianca Jagger as "that kunt". So it could very well be a reference to Jagger.

Mathijs

Well that borders on definitive. Never thought I'd say that about Spanish Tony and I didn't recall the passage, but I do take your word for it. Thanks, Mathijs!

Hey Mathijis,
Right on about Up and Down! That is why I said in my earlier post it was a good soundtrack to Up and Down. Really gives the atmosphere of Nellcot.

interesting topic.
What I do find about this album is the songs where Keith has extensive backup vocals (Loving cup, torn, casino etc..) he seems to be the one who contributes the most in the lyrics ? Casino's lyrics seem to be Keith's...IMO.

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interesting topic.
What I do find about this album is the songs where Keith has extensive backup vocals (Loving cup, torn, casino etc..) he seems to be the one who contributes the most in the lyrics ? Casino's lyrics seem to be Keith's...IMO.

Agreed.

Spanish Tony's book is online. I searched for c unt and there was only one reference and not applicable to this discussion. Maybe another book where Anita was quoted?

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I guess if you pick it apart. "No good, can't speak..." Heroine high, often too stoned to speak. "wound up, can't sleep..." Keith is a vampire, and just doesn't sleep a lot, likes to party late and create. "Sky diver, inside her, skip rope, stunt flyer..." the joys of groupie sex, kinky, and full on. "wounded lover, got no time on hand..." Jilted love, groupies again, and perhaps the wives. "One last cycle, thrill freak Uncle Sam..' touring the states during Vietnam, protests, and Altimont. "Deitrich moves,close up boogies, kissing cvnt in Cannes..." Speaks for itself. That is the jet set party, rich gypsies who are cultured. "Grotesque music,million doller sad, got no tactics got no time on hand..." A lot of shit music making big money, and probably a jibe at Allen Klein. "left shoe shuffle, right shoe muffle, sinking in the sand. Fade out freedom, steaming heat on, watch that hat in black..." More sordid business, loss of freedom when the big money rolls in, shifty business deals, and coorporate hacks that plunder their art...
All imo of course.

Yes. That's it. Kind of...

Casino Boogie is for me the definitive impressionistic pastiche of what it was like to be a Rolling Stone in the early 1970's...the decadence, the numbing drugs, the politics of the time, the demands of fame, the splendid isolation of being wealthy Tax Exiles, the philosophical and moral dead-ends, the inherent contradictions of posing as revolutionaries and being wealthy, cosseted Rock Stars, the endless desensitizing repetition, living in a toxic fishbowl, the music business hawkers and parasites, the superficiality and the profundity and the joy and the pain...it's all thrown in there...a stew of debauchery, apathy, cynicism and helpless disgust.

The electric bass work is sublime.

As far as kissing c*nt in Cannes...don't knock it until you're tried it...

don't knock it until you're tried it...

Didn't know in came in cans ... does it really taste better ?....



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Casino Boogie is for me the definitive impressionistic pastiche of what it was like to be a Rolling Stone in the early 1970's...the decadence, the numbing drugs, the politics of the time, the demands of fame, the splendid isolation of being wealthy Tax Exiles, the philosophical and moral dead-ends, the inherent contradictions of posing as revolutionaries and being wealthy, cosseted Rock Stars, the endless desensitizing repetition, living in a toxic fishbowl, the music business hawkers and parasites, the superficiality and the profundity and the joy and the pain...it's all thrown in there...a stew of debauchery, apathy, cynicism and helpless disgust.

Then Keith says yeah man thats a little heavy for me, but really, its just a piece of crap we came up with lying on the couch watching french tv.

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I guess if you pick it apart. "No good, can't speak..." Heroine high, often too stoned to speak. "wound up, can't sleep..." Keith is a vampire, and just doesn't sleep a lot, likes to party late and create. "Sky diver, inside her, skip rope, stunt flyer..." the joys of groupie sex, kinky, and full on. "wounded lover, got no time on hand..." Jilted love, groupies again, and perhaps the wives. "One last cycle, thrill freak Uncle Sam..' touring the states during Vietnam, protests, and Altimont. "Deitrich moves,close up boogies, kissing cvnt in Cannes..." Speaks for itself. That is the jet set party, rich gypsies who are cultured. "Grotesque music,million doller sad, got no tactics got no time on hand..." A lot of shit music making big money, and probably a jibe at Allen Klein. "left shoe shuffle, right shoe muffle, sinking in the sand. Fade out freedom, steaming heat on, watch that hat in black..." More sordid business, loss of freedom when the big money rolls in, shifty business deals, and coorporate hacks that plunder their art...
All imo of course.

Yes. That's it. Kind of...

Casino Boogie is for me the definitive impressionistic pastiche of what it was like to be a Rolling Stone in the early 1970's...the decadence, the numbing drugs, the politics of the time, the demands of fame, the splendid isolation of being wealthy Tax Exiles, the philosophical and moral dead-ends, the inherent contradictions of posing as revolutionaries and being wealthy, cosseted Rock Stars, the endless desensitizing repetition, living in a toxic fishbowl, the music business hawkers and parasites, the superficiality and the profundity and the joy and the pain...it's all thrown in there...a stew of debauchery, apathy, cynicism and helpless disgust.

The electric bass work is sublime.

As far as kissing c*nt in Cannes...don't knock it until you're tried it...

Your posts are quite good, Turd. Keep 'em coming.

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Richards deliberately emphesizes the 'n' of both 'kunt' and 'cannes', he clearly likes the humor of it.

If I remember well it's stated in Tony Sanchez book that Anita Pallenberg kept on bleating about that all Jagger did was "kiss kunt in Cannes" while Richards was "trying to record an album". Also its stated that Anita only refered to Bianca Jagger as "that kunt". So it could very well be a reference to Jagger.

Mathijs

Nice theory but I can't recall this in the Sanchez book. What page number? Maybe it was another book. I can imagine Richards singing it but this doesn't mean this what Jagger wrote or sang.

For what it is worth I have an Exile songbook from the late '70s published by Warner Bros. It has the lyrics as 'kissing cut in cans'. I guess it is as "official" as anything else.

<just like they did Torn and frayed, Sweet black angel and Ventilator blues during the 72 tour. Marvellous versions.>

Do you think so? imo, T & F was butchered, VB started out great, but fell apart and SBA was barely recognisable (but still interesting).

Anyways. I would have loved to hear a good version of CB. Check out Casino Steel's cover version, faster but great.

The film city Cannes can be pronounced as "can" or "canz". Therefore it might be a word play of cans/Cannes in the less appropriate promnunciation.
Because: It is more likely that somebody like Mick pronounces it "can" as that is more similar to the orginal French ("cun"). If he only meant Cannes/"can" than it would rhyme - as terraplane states for the songbook - with hand.
But there is clearly a "z"-sound. Therefore, it is more likely that the English word he sings is cans as cut is also a film term.

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"Dietrich movies, close up boogies
kissing kunt in Cannes"

I don't hear this nor do I think Jagger would be so crass - at least at that time. I think he sings "Kissing cut in cans". It is a reference to film making ie, to make a film cut, film canister, etc which is why there is a reference to Dietrich in the line before

Richards deliberately emphesizes the 'n' of both 'kunt' and 'cannes', he clearly likes the humor of it.

If I remember well it's stated in Tony Sanchez book that Anita Pallenberg kept on bleating about that all Jagger did was "kiss kunt in Cannes" while Richards was "trying to record an album". Also its stated that Anita only refered to Bianca Jagger as "that kunt". So it could very well be a reference to Jagger.

Mathijs

I remember Tony Sanchez wrote "I don't want to see this cow Anita again" ,could it be on the same part of the book ?
It's been a while since I've read it again.



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

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I guess if you pick it apart. "No good, can't speak..." Heroine high, often too stoned to speak. "wound up, can't sleep..." Keith is a vampire, and just doesn't sleep a lot, likes to party late and create. "Sky diver, inside her, skip rope, stunt flyer..." the joys of groupie sex, kinky, and full on. "wounded lover, got no time on hand..." Jilted love, groupies again, and perhaps the wives. "One last cycle, thrill freak Uncle Sam..' touring the states during Vietnam, protests, and Altimont. "Deitrich moves,close up boogies, kissing cvnt in Cannes..." Speaks for itself. That is the jet set party, rich gypsies who are cultured. "Grotesque music,million doller sad, got no tactics got no time on hand..." A lot of shit music making big money, and probably a jibe at Allen Klein. "left shoe shuffle, right shoe muffle, sinking in the sand. Fade out freedom, steaming heat on, watch that hat in black..." More sordid business, loss of freedom when the big money rolls in, shifty business deals, and coorporate hacks that plunder their art...
All imo of course.

Yes. That's it. Kind of...

Casino Boogie is for me the definitive impressionistic pastiche of what it was like to be a Rolling Stone in the early 1970's...the decadence, the numbing drugs, the politics of the time, the demands of fame, the splendid isolation of being wealthy Tax Exiles, the philosophical and moral dead-ends, the inherent contradictions of posing as revolutionaries and being wealthy, cosseted Rock Stars, the endless desensitizing repetition, living in a toxic fishbowl, the music business hawkers and parasites, the superficiality and the profundity and the joy and the pain...it's all thrown in there...a stew of debauchery, apathy, cynicism and helpless disgust.

The electric bass work is sublime.

As far as kissing c*nt in Cannes...don't knock it until you're tried it...

Your posts are quite good, Turd. Keep 'em coming.

Yes, Turd, right on! Thanks for coherently stringing together what I was expressing! Nice! I agree completely!

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"Dietrich movies, close up boogies
kissing kunt in Cannes"

I don't hear this nor do I think Jagger would be so crass - at least at that time. I think he sings "Kissing cut in cans". It is a reference to film making ie, to make a film cut, film canister, etc which is why there is a reference to Dietrich in the line before

Richards deliberately emphesizes the 'n' of both 'kunt' and 'cannes', he clearly likes the humor of it.

If I remember well it's stated in Tony Sanchez book that Anita Pallenberg kept on bleating about that all Jagger did was "kiss kunt in Cannes" while Richards was "trying to record an album". Also its stated that Anita only refered to Bianca Jagger as "that kunt". So it could very well be a reference to Jagger.

Mathijs

I remember reading that Bianca was generally referred to by Keith n Anita as 'Bianca the Wa-nker'!

i used to be in a techno girl-band called the canned @#$%&.

Exhibit #1 to the cat who thinks the lyrics on the Stones "official" site should be taken as Gospel...

"Sky diver insider her,"

Obviously NOT!!!

btw, music as well as films are sometimes referred to as being "in the can", as was the case when we hung out w/Keef one night in NYC, and he told us about the soon to be released "Undercover" album...

The lyrics are CLEARLY about Andy Warhol.

Just ask Mickscarey.

War Hole

"sky diver, inside her" thats what I always thought