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GasLightStreet
Another one of Mick's solo song ideas he "saved" for the Stones.
He's had better songs. He's had worse songs. Don't Stop is not like Start Me Up at all yet it was framed as being like Start Me Up. So, on that note:
For me, doing a solo album or a Stones album is all the same, with one proviso: that when I'm writing for the Rolling Stones I don't mind if the song sounds like the ones the Stones do, whereas if I'm writing, but not recording, with the Rolling Stones, I don't want the song to contain too many of the clichés that one associates with the Rolling Stones, so I try quite hard to avoid them. Before the release of Forty Licks, I wrote Don't Stop in the same period that I was writing the songs for my solo album, and I just put it to one side and said to myself, This sounds very much like the Rolling Stones to me. It might be very useful in the coming months, but I'll leave it for now and I won't record it because I think it's going to be better for the Stones.
- Mick Jagger, 2003
(It's) kind of a stock Mick riff. It's quite a simple song. Mick had the words and the phrasing, which was good, and Keith and I were kind of, All right, we'll give it a try. It ended up sounding like another Start Me Up, out of that stable.
- Ron Wood, October 2002
Woody said it.
Don't Stop is a classic Mick song. I could see that Mick had designed it to come across well in large venues, a Start Me Up-style crowd song, with a simple kind of message and a straightforward sructure. Because Mick is playing guitar, there isn't so much room for Keith, but he did manage to find a way of stabbing away at it, so that he was semi-happy with the result. I took on the stronger guitar part, because I was covering for Keith and also delivering what Mick was expecting from the way he had written the song: he wanted a trademark Woody guitar solo.
- Ron Wood, 2003
Mick played guitar on SOME GIRLS and they managed.
Don't Stop is the single-y one.
- Mick Jagger, 2002
What else can he say about it? He had to say something. And he says that about one of the 4 new songs, of which Stealing My Heart and Keys To Your Love, the blandest Stones music since DIRTY WORK, are absolute shit; that's awesome. Instead of, I dunno, writing and recording good songs.
Don't Stop is probably not as good a song as something like Satisfaction, but as long as it fits in the show it works. What is interesting is that unlike those songs from the 1960s, it will never, in our lifetime, get played as much and acquire the patina of age. But a lot of the songs that we play live were not important songs when they came out... (A) tune like Don't Stop might - or might not - one day acquire the same patina. What is certain is that if you don't play a song onstage, it will never have a chance to be anything.
- Mick Jagger, 2003
They've had the LICKS tours, the BANG tours and the 50 and whatever tours, yet it was only played on the LICKS tour. How is it to acquire the patina if it's not played? Does Mick even remember it? In Mick's words it has officially has not and will not ever "be anything". Doom And Gloom got the same treatment even though it was played in more years than Don't Stop - but a lot less shows.
I can probably live without Don't Stop, although I enjoyed playing it - it's a pretty little thing and you can sizzle it off, but there's not much substance to it.
- Keith Richards, 2003
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GasLightStreet
Don't Stop is probably not as good a song as something like Satisfaction...
- Mick Jagger, 2003
mick is amazingly clear of thought when he says, it's probably not as good as Satisfaction. that's nothing short of genius.
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It has an all around sissy-pansy-wimpy vibe to it that not many Stones songs have - cringe worthy.
Streets of Love is another...
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harlem shuffle
Some more Mick Jagger bashing from The Richards clan again as usual.
How about talking about Keith,s mistakes over the last 25 years?
How about his ability to play guitar,very bad in conserts.
He can,t even play Brown Sugar correctly
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harlem shuffle
Some more Mick Jagger bashing from The Richards clan again as usual.
How about talking about Keith,s mistakes over the last 25 years?
How about his ability to play guitar,very bad in conserts.
He can,t even play Brown Sugar correctly
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GasLightStreet
Don't Stop is a classic Mick song. I could see that Mick had designed it to come across well in large venues, a Start Me Up-style crowd song, with a simple kind of message and a straightforward sructure. Because Mick is playing guitar, there isn't so much room for Keith, but he did manage to find a way of stabbing away at it, so that he was semi-happy with the result. I took on the stronger guitar part, because I was covering for Keith and also delivering what Mick was expecting from the way he had written the song: he wanted a trademark Woody guitar solo.
- Ron Wood, 2003
Don't Stop is probably not as good a song as something like Satisfaction, but as long as it fits in the show it works. What is interesting is that unlike those songs from the 1960s, it will never, in our lifetime, get played as much and acquire the patina of age. But a lot of the songs that we play live were not important songs when they came out... (A) tune like Don't Stop might - or might not - one day acquire the same patina. What is certain is that if you don't play a song onstage, it will never have a chance to be anything.
- Mick Jagger, 2003
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Some more Mick Jagger bashing from The Richards clan again as usual.
How about talking about Keith,s mistakes over the last 25 years?
How about his ability to play guitar,very bad in conserts.
He can,t even play Brown Sugar correctly
Would you be able to do it, after a major stroke?
I think he plays that intro mighty fine NOW.
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Turner68
I think the quotes from both Mick and Keith about their solo careers, and giving the "stonesy" songs to the stones and keeping the others for theirs solo albums points to part of the problem.
I have a hard time imagining Mick thinking that "Sympathy for the Devil" was a stonesy song when he first came up with it; ditto Keith with "Gimme Shelter". It's no wonder that their albums from the 80s on have sounded like cliches; the two main songwriters have been deciding which of their songs to contribute based on whether they sound like their own interpretation of what songs are "Stonesy"
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GasLightStreet
Don't Stop is a classic Mick song. I could see that Mick had designed it to come across well in large venues, a Start Me Up-style crowd song, with a simple kind of message and a straightforward structure. Because Mick is playing guitar, there isn't so much room for Keith, but he did manage to find a way of stabbing away at it, so that he was semi-happy with the result. I took on the stronger guitar part, because I was covering for Keith and also delivering what Mick was expecting from the way he had written the song: he wanted a trademark Woody guitar solo.
- Ron Wood, 2003
Don't Stop is probably not as good a song as something like Satisfaction, but as long as it fits in the show it works. What is interesting is that unlike those songs from the 1960s, it will never, in our lifetime, get played as much and acquire the patina of age. But a lot of the songs that we play live were not important songs when they came out... (A) tune like Don't Stop might - or might not - one day acquire the same patina. What is certain is that if you don't play a song onstage, it will never have a chance to be anything.
- Mick Jagger, 2003
I think those two quotes capture rather nicely the basic problem of many latter-day Stones efforts: they are not designed to be great recordings, but more like templates to be played live. So the recorded songs are not artistic aims of their own, but just means to entertain the live audiences. Probably that is the result of the Stones having been basically just a touring live band for so long, and not any longer any recording artists. They think everything in terms of playing live. And I think the latter affects on the nature of the songs: to entertain the crowds, the songs needs to be Stones-cliche-full - that's the kind of material Jagger knows to work. So I guess for Jagger a song to work for a Stones audience, would basically mean that it resembles, say, "Start Me Up". The result is doomed to be conservative (and probably not inspiring much creative juices). So he picks up those songs for a Stones project.
A BIGGER BANG is like a "Don't Stop" made for as album: a bunch of songs made for a potential live use. But the problem turned out to be that the songs weren't inspiring enough for such a use (who got bored first, them or the audience, I don't know). So they dropped them. And I don't blame them.
Jagger seems to forget that the songs that have acquired the "patina" today were brilliant studio recordings in the first place. That's what they were aimed to be. Probably for that reason they had also the potential to grow up.
- Doxa
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It's time for us to leave Mick, Keith, Ronnie and Charlie alone.
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Don't Stop is a classic Mick song. I could see that Mick had designed it to come across well in large venues, a Start Me Up-style crowd song, with a simple kind of message and a straightforward structure. Because Mick is playing guitar, there isn't so much room for Keith, but he did manage to find a way of stabbing away at it, so that he was semi-happy with the result. I took on the stronger guitar part, because I was covering for Keith and also delivering what Mick was expecting from the way he had written the song: he wanted a trademark Woody guitar solo.
- Ron Wood, 2003
Don't Stop is probably not as good a song as something like Satisfaction, but as long as it fits in the show it works. What is interesting is that unlike those songs from the 1960s, it will never, in our lifetime, get played as much and acquire the patina of age. But a lot of the songs that we play live were not important songs when they came out... (A) tune like Don't Stop might - or might not - one day acquire the same patina. What is certain is that if you don't play a song onstage, it will never have a chance to be anything.
- Mick Jagger, 2003
I think those two quotes capture rather nicely the basic problem of many latter-day Stones efforts: they are not designed to be great recordings, but more like templates to be played live. So the recorded songs are not artistic aims of their own, but just means to entertain the live audiences. Probably that is the result of the Stones having been basically just a touring live band for so long, and not any longer any recording artists. They think everything in terms of playing live. And I think the latter affects on the nature of the songs: to entertain the crowds, the songs needs to be Stones-cliche-full - that's the kind of material Jagger knows to work. So I guess for Jagger a song to work for a Stones audience, would basically mean that it resembles, say, "Start Me Up". The result is doomed to be conservative (and probably not inspiring much creative juices). So he picks up those songs for a Stones project.
A BIGGER BANG is like a "Don't Stop" made for as album: a bunch of songs made for a potential live use. But the problem turned out to be that the songs weren't inspiring enough for such a use (who got bored first, them or the audience, I don't know). So they dropped them. And I don't blame them.
Jagger seems to forget that the songs that have acquired the "patina" today were brilliant studio recordings in the first place. That's what they were aimed to be. Probably for that reason they had also the potential to grow up.
- Doxa
Great points. Although I agree with what you said about the songs on A BIGGER BANG, it seems that they played the wrong songs from that album: none of them are worthy of being played live. It makes for a decent latter day Stones album because, as Mick liked to talk about the goofiness of Emotional Rescue with the falsetto etc, it's the kind of stuff that only happens in a studio. And by that, if you simply listen to the words from Biggest Mistake, She Saw Me Coming, Dangerous Beauty, Laugh..., It Won't Take Long and Let Me Down Slow, those are studio tailored. Live they would be a disaster.
A big reason for that? A great - a perfect example: Shattered has a lot a lyrical sphere of the same ilk, it's very busy and some nice rhyming etc - but live, the song is completely different and, at least in 1994, had swagger. The other live performances of it Mick's been able to blast the words out with the band blasting the song out (SOME GIRLS and TATTOO YOU tours).
Another thing about Shattered vs anything from ABB is... it has patina. It was also on the radio as a single and it was played on more than one tour. Which is part of the astounding shock of them never playing Emotional Rescue live: it had the patina as well. It's a huge song. But they'd rather play Miss You for 25 minutes. So they finally got around to playing it and... well, it would've been nice if they'd given a shit about it. Flopping through it like a fish on a dock doesn't give the song a chance to obtain a live patina for an entire/only one tour like, ha ha, Don't Stop did.
Another thing you pointed out was what a lot of us have known: the Stones have been imitating themselves. Yet they do these new recordings like Don't Stop to let people know they're not like The Beach Boys and just playing the same crap over and over and over when... that's what they've been doing anyway?
It is what it is and 50 AND COUNTING's set lists and since have proved that, even with another ridiculous example of how they've not yet 100% become a nostalgia act by plonking out Doom And Gloom and One More Shot for another pointless hits comp but also the set list being a majority of songs up to 1981, with the odd exception for You Got Me Rocking, Slipping Away and Out Of Control occasionally.
It's a big reason why, to me, they stopped being a creative force (ie making interesting inventive albums) after UNDERCOVER. STEEL WHEELS was the beginning of the cruise control of sounding like the Stones or some like to say, Vegas. Perhaps the only reason it's somewhat heralded is because of Bill Wyman and it was a, at the time, amazing fantastic comeback from The Disaster Of 1986.
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I've often wondered why this isn't a war horse
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HMS
Keys To Your Love and Stealing My Heart are very,very enjoyable songs too. Each would have been a great single, although Don´t Stop of course is the best of those three songs. These songs are soft-rocking, radio-friendly tracks, but very good, very catchy indeed.
But the true gem of this Forty-Licks-quartet of new songs is Losing My Touch, simply striking. Keith at his very best, marvelous. Not one single song on CH can catch up with this.
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Keys To Your Love and Stealing My Heart are very,very enjoyable songs too. Each would have been a great single, although Don´t Stop of course is the best of those three songs. These songs are soft-rocking, radio-friendly tracks, but very good, very catchy indeed.
But the true gem of this Forty-Licks-quartet of new songs is Losing My Touch, simply striking. Keith at his very best, marvelous. Not one single song on CH can catch up with this.
They're not enjoyable at all, those horrible two songs you mentioned. Why do you like bad music?
Losing My Touch is nice, though. Better than anything on CROSSEYED HEART? That's a stretch considering the styles of music he did for that LP. But it would fit in.