QuoteOlly Thanks for your explanation. I had to go back to the start of this discussion to realize that the original poster pretty much said it all: "Filler are songs that a band just rushes through without any real dedication or inspiration, just to meet a deadline for an albums release, or to quickly capitalize on a hit or to literally fill up space, hence the word Filler."
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QuoteGasLightStreet Perhaps even filler could be Mick saying "I have this riff, it's very Stones" and it turns out to be the horrendous Rock And A Hard Place. Is that song filler? As a Stones fan I can critically (or for those that are hard of hearing, objectively) say it's not but as a Stones fan I despise that song. Does it take up space for better songs on STEEL WHEELS? I
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QuoteOlly You also contradict yourself: if both tracks you mention are 'objectively' awful, why is one categorised as filler and not the other? I sort of get why you ask this. But these two songs are used in this discussion because folks here and in Stonesland generally agree that they're awful. Of course there's no accounting for taste, but there's almost universal a
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Quotepricepittsburgh I posted last week that Street Fighting Man and Rocks Off sound similar on the chorus. I think the build up to the chorus of Stray Cat Blues and Soul Survivor sound very similar as well. Speaking as one who usually notices these things....yes, they do, and I never noticed it before. The chord progression is not the same, but the feel is. "Oh yeah, you're a st
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Quotetreaclefingers high praise indeed I picture Mick in his lonely writer's garret, smiling away at having chosen the word "Rubicon". I guess it was originally for a solo record, so his head was in another place. A bad one. I think it could have been a very good song with some lyric tweaking, production changes, and major overhaul of vocal delivery and guitar presence.
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Quotebitusa2012 Sweet Neocon has a good title, but there's no evidence that anyone in the band cared one damn bit about this song. BASED ON WHAT, do the band STOP playing on this? Take a break? Have a cup of tea, midstream? Mick forget his words? Don't get this comment. Surely if the band cares not a whit about this, it would not be on the record. Sure, YOU can say YOU don'
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QuoteTurner68 indian girl on emotional rescue, I won't debate the merits of the Indian Girl, but "filler" means that it's plainly obvious that the band and/or songwriter just wasn't into it and therefore didn't put any serious work into it. With Indian Girl, that's not obvious to me. Same with Winter and Break the Spell. Which is more filler, Streets o
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QuoteRockinJive First of all what peak in 1975 and 1978? He was talking specifically about Keith. As sloppy as they could sound in '75/'76, Keith really hit his performing peak. He could play good solos now, maybe from watching MT all those years. His ryhthm playing was 'better' too, as he had to adapt to playing with Ronnie, which meant he could play with a little mo
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Quotecarlorossi QuoteDandelionPowderman Not barre chords. If it's in standard tuning, it's the chord with the open A string and sus + additions. Ah, by 'chorus', I thought you meant the "oh yeah, you're a..." part. As for the "hangin' mattah" (A) part, I'll have to give it another listen. And so I did, and right you are. Never noticed i
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QuoteDandelionPowderman Not barre chords. If it's in standard tuning, it's the chord with the open A string and sus + additions. Ah, by 'chorus', I thought you meant the "oh yeah, you're a..." part. As for the "hangin' mattah" (A) part, I'll have to give it another listen.
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Quotejosepi 4) the gathering of donors in George Bailey's house in It's a Wonderful Life. That is the only scene from any movie that brings me to waterfall tears every time. I don't know how the actors were directed, but they sure brought the house, as did Jimmy Stewart.
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QuoteMathijs Stray Cat - Richards standard tuned rhythm guitar during the verses ('oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat') replaced with a much heavier open-tuned rhythm guitar Mathijs I don't hear it (not for lack of listening, I assure you). It certainly isn't the open G tuning. Not that it couldn't be an overdub, as it does sound 'heavier', as you put
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QuoteRedhotcarpet Im not sure Ive read that Keith said he wrote the riff though. Maybe he said so but that is obviously a lie. He didn't write it. He tried to downplay its importance by saying it's just Satisfaction backwards. I could swear it was Bill who said that. That he was playing Satisfaction in reverse, and that's what Keith took off and ran with. As near as I can tell,
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Quotedcba Don't laugh but the Grand Funk Railroad played excellent version of GS in concert... I believe it. Listen to the opening to "American Band", before the verses, and listen to the chorus. I won't call it a rip off, cuz it's a simple little chord progression, but based on the sound, it sounds distinctly like they had GS in their minds.
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In '94 or '95, Keith played 3/4 of the sympathy solo a half a step too high. Or low, I can't remember. I'm pretty sure he was playing it in F instead of E. Near the end, he realizes this, and slips that guide finger into the right fret. A little late.
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Quotelem motlow he started the band.bill explains it to you in no uncertain terms and i've read this same account by many,many people not named mick and keith. I thought M and K had told the story dozens of times. I agree w/Bill that they should probably intervene if that Dartford story of Bill's is true, but I'm pretty sure the Stones are on record saying that they joined Brian
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Quotecatchinem I took my 28 yr old son who had never seen them. He hugged me 5 different times during the show thanking me for "The best thing he has ever seen". That's a great story, thank you. My sons are 4 and 2, so they'll never really know. The closest we get is when the older one complains how he wants something that he can't have or doesn't get his way, I
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Quoteshadooby Quotecarlorossi Quoteshadooby What was really scary was when it appeared that Blondie was "covering" for Keith, especially on the solo cuts. Thankfully that was only temporary... I remember some folks here SAYING that, but I can't remember ever seeing it or hearing it for myself, after much observation. Someone want to fill me in on the specifics, cuz I sure remem
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Quoteshadooby What was really scary was when it appeared that Blondie was "covering" for Keith, especially on the solo cuts. Thankfully that was only temporary... I remember some folks here SAYING that, but I can't remember ever seeing it or hearing it for myself, after much observation. Someone want to fill me in on the specifics, cuz I sure remember some crappy solos and it w
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QuoteDeltics Copied this to google translate, which gave this: "Plate Covers - of vinyl revival" takes us into cover art agree wondrous world. As the graphical object is the cover a "Gesamtkunstwerk" that can not be separated from the music, it engulfs and protects. It is full of meanings and moods and tickles our curiosity with promises of experiences that we might want
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QuoteHearMeKnockin So the Stones have turned into politicians? Or always have been.
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Me neither. Interesting, to put it mildly.
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Quoteschillid Think the similarity between JJF and SFM is just that one single crashing chord at the start of each one. I just listened to the Pittsburgh '89 version. Keith doesn't play that three chord opening (B E A), as near as I can tell, but goes straight into the opening part that also closes the studio version, the part with the fat descending bass line. The way they tried it
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QuoteNikkei Charlies facial expression actually seems to fit the pose better than the others >< Yes, his face is the only one that says, "eff you".
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Finally listened to Sympathy. Was avoiding it as some had reported dominating keyboards and sparse guitars. I found the opposite to be true, maybe it was just the location of the filmer, but K and R were out front and chugging it out. Most of Keith's solo was the same rote one he's done for 20 years, but the part leading up to the ending was actually interesting (not in a bad way), i
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Quotemitchrambler its only rnr is probably the most distant sound studio to live song they do..so boring idk why they don't try a bit towards the studio version.i know tech is different now but cmon. We could hope, but it would be hard to pull off live. The last 1/3 of the studio version is one of my favorite things of all time, Stones or not. After Mick starts the whispering bit ("
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QuoteChelseaGirls and I have always viewed the sentence "It's Only Rock N Roll" as some kind of cynical mantra... God Gave Rock and Roll to you.
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Quoteangee Well, so what would you say is a more likely reason, carlorossi? Health not up to par is my guess. Not sick, just not where it should be to be part of the tour. And there's the possible greed factor. I just don't see ego entering into it, as if they care whether MT "outshines" someone. As if folks think they're some virtuosos or something.
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Quotestones2000 Hey everyone. I just had a question for any Stones guitar experts...I heard that Keith did the studio version of Jumpin Jack Flash tuned in Open E. So I tuned to Open E, and started playing against the recording, only to realize that I was still off! I think I heard somewhere that Keith was tuned just slightly down from open E...does anyone know how I can correct my tuning? Thanks
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QuoteGetondown He is the greatest rock guitarist of all time. Deep down the stones know this and for monetary reasons and ego reasons they left him out. Every knows this is the truth. I really doubt it. I don't really buy the monetary reasons theory, but I could easily be totally underestimating their level of greed. As far as the ego reasons, it MAY be the truth. But unlikely.
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