After watching the Caddilac trailer I wonder what happened to the Music Industry is it me or am I just an old Man? So much talent back then they also took the time to work with your skills.

Music is alive and well, you just gotta separate the wheat from the chaff.



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The 3 headed monster of rap, grunge, and MTV.

Drum machines, programmable keyboards, samples, and cut and paste recording software has taken away the human touch and all those little wonderful things that make a song great.

PECMAN

Even the Stones use modern technologies,so the Human Touch is lost ?

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Elmo Lewis
The 3 headed monster of rap, grunge, and MTV.

very well put

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Elmo Lewis
The 3 headed monster of rap, grunge, and MTV.

very well put

I don't know ... sounds 20 years old to me. Grunge has been put on history's shelves, rap is old and MTV is dying. Or am I wrong?

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[Even the Stones use modern technologies,so the Human Touch is lost?

Listen to the sound of Sticky Fingers/Exile recorded on Analog tape and the warmth you hear...and listen to the newer records...yes there is a big difference...the easier it is to remove little tiny mistakes makes the records lose the human element and the sound of digital recording is not a true sound wave.

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Elmo Lewis
The 3 headed monster of rap, grunge, and MTV.

cant agree with you on the first two - thats more an issue of personal music taste.

Corporatism and all its bastard offspring has done more than anything to kill music as we know it.

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Music is alive and well, you just gotta separate the wheat from the chaff.

Exactly. There's plenty of great bands who've come along in the last five or ten years: The White Stripes, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Black Keys, The Hives, The Black Angels, etc.

And there's plenty of good new music being made by older acts like AC/DC, Beck, Weezer, R.E.M., Tom Petty, Springsteen, Dylan, etc. You just have to listen for it.

The only difference is that the only "good" music today is not in the mainstream....they are rather hovering beneath the radar. What is in the mainstream are the pretty faces: Beyonce, Justin Timerlake and etc.

A lot of music worth listening to can usually be found on Indie stations...

I never considered myself much of a country fan but a lot of today's country artists sure sound like rock and roll to me.

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The only difference is that the only "good" music today is not in the mainstream....they are rather hovering beneath the radar. What is in the mainstream are the pretty faces: Beyonce, Justin Timerlake and etc.

A lot of music worth listening to can usually be found on Indie stations...

Very true. There's as much good rock music being made today as in the '60s or '70s, it just isn't nearly as popular. Which is a shame, but then again it makes tickets to shows cheaper and lets me squeeze in closer to the stage.

I think there are just as many talented musicians today as there have ever been. they're just not making it to the commericial main stream. Plus, it seems like there's a lack of good origional songwriters among the music industry. Ive thought about this before and wondered why this is. One reason I came up with is that someone who is a good songwriter is probably also a really sensetive type of person (that doesnt have to mean the music they write is sappy). Todays world has just become to "Cut Throat" and all bout the bottom line. Not much room for sensitivity.



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In the UK at least, the TV talent show happened to music - everybody is trying to impress the judges on Strictly Britain's Got The X-Factor, who only seem to want to see (as Justin said) the bland mainstream-showbiz-friendly Pretty Faces (and not the "ugly" but talented Pretty Things, or anything resembling them). The young Stones wouldn't even have got past the first audition.

So while the mainstream goes MOR, you need to keep your ears open and go out looking for the good music - it's there.

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The 3 headed monster of rap, grunge, and MTV.

very well put

I don't know ... sounds 20 years old to me. Grunge has been put on history's shelves, rap is old and MTV is dying. Or am I wrong?

all 3 combined began the decline of music as we grew to know. record labels no longer have patience for new artists. you are either at the top or you are gone.

I think this is a good question.....here's what I think.
I think what has happened is that the bands are not very good any more.

In the old days, like when the Stones started, (and yes I am an old fart)

The bands played gigs, learned their craft, and came up through the ranks.

It seems like the new bands, don't play many gigs, think they don't have
to bother to learn their craft, can go and record some piece of crap they
"wrote" and get marketed by some record company and wind up on tv
to play their one note song and become famous and rich.

At least it seems that way to me. I'm always amazed at the bands that wind up
on Connan or Letterman or Leno or SNL and they really don't seem to know
what they are doing....

Marv Peck

Y'all remember that rubber legged boy

Good music is alive and well, it's just not at the forefront of the mainstream at this point in time. Many factors play into this, but a big one is just that landscape is vastly different today than it was in the 60's and 70's. MTV (and all that it represents) and the Internet have effectively changed the music industry for good. There's no more mystique about bands, as anything you want to know about them is at your fingertips. It's not necessarily as exciting if a band is appearing on TV anymore because you know you can just catch it in on YouTube. Basically, everything is just more accessible and thus gets taken for granted. Good music has been out of the mainstream so long that the youth of today just don't realize what good music actually is. Because of this, if let's say, MTV is playing the music video of an artist every hour, the kids are going to "like" it because they feel like they have to. It's the new song, MTV keeps playing it, it must be good music, right? Of course, the term "Good Music" is also a subjective one.

As it is, the industry is in a state of flux. But I have no doubt in my mind that it will all balance itself out.

MTV barely plays music anymore and hasn't for at least ten years.

It's just the age I guess, "we" (oldies) have to much to compare.
If you are listen to music for 40 or more years what is new?

My son of 20 ask me tonight to listen to a song he found on youtube, and ask my opinion........ well nothing new for me and I hate the way she sing........... what!!!!!! he say's I love the singing (????)

Here you go..................





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I think this is a good question.....here's what I think.
I think what has happened is that the bands are not very good any more.

In the old days, like when the Stones started, (and yes I am an old fart)

The bands played gigs, learned their craft, and came up through the ranks.

It seems like the new bands, don't play many gigs, think they don't have
to bother to learn their craft, can go and record some piece of crap they
"wrote" and get marketed by some record company and wind up on tv
to play their one note song and become famous and rich.

At least it seems that way to me. I'm always amazed at the bands that wind up
on Connan or Letterman or Leno or SNL and they really don't seem to know
what they are doing....

A lot of this is true - but where I disagree is that you seem to blame the bands for not having learnt their craft before becoming famous, as if this was their choice. The system often doesn't give a new band any time to pay their dues before they are pitchforked into the spotlight, ready or not. And if they are not ready, then by the time they do know what they are doing they are no longer the flavour-of-the-month and some newer, even less experienced group is being promoted.

The Stones were pretty new and raw when their chance of fame came along - should they have told ALO that they didn't feel ready and they wanted to spend another year or two playing the little clubs? They had to learn on the job, including writing one-note songs and then learning how to write better songs. Luckily for them ALO gave all their amateurish early efforts to other artists to sing, and nobody insisted that they MUST only perform their own compositions. These days, any band that doesn't write all its own songs (however rubbishy) doesn't stand a chance.

MTV Blows...however...they are not the cause or the fault of good or bad music as they neither write or create music...they used to promote the hell out of it...but do so no more...

Their choice to move themselves from a vehicle for record companies to a promote music to a network with demographic programmed content has nothing to do with new artists/songwriters writing new, interesting, appealing music...

I hate MTV...but they really have nothing to do with an individuals talent to write a new song.

If you want to say their divorce from a totally music driven content station has had an effect on the music business as a whole...I'm first on line.

MTV is becoming less and less relevant...as record companies and bands no longer need to kiss MTV's ass to get a broadcast as people can see their videos on MYSPACE.com and YOUTUBE.com


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Don't forget that a lot of the top 40 stuff of the '60s and '70s, not to mention the '80s, was rubbish. Listening to radio hit compilations of the '60s makes me happy because I realise it isn't always so much worse today. With good reason we only remember the good stuff from days of old.

We should also remember that the established music business today is partly overrun by a new "movement" -- driven by Myspace, Youtube, torrent downloads and the possibility for anyone to find almost any kind of music from anywhere. This also makes today's kids listen to a greater mix of music genres than ever before.

Don't tell me the typical music listeners of the '60s and '70s were any more open minded. That's bullshit.

But the music business is more slick, more commercialised today. It's a bigger monster with more money. It doesn't really move faster (remember -- Jimi Hendrix' time span in the spotlight corresponds to only 1997-2000 in our time), but it probably hurts more.

Not to be argumentative but everything you just said is BS. BUT everyone is entitled to their opinion-even if they are wrong!

If you think what I wrote is BS, would you care to tell us why?

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MTV barely plays music anymore and hasn't for at least ten years.

Yeah, I remember how cool it was in the early 80's. Now it's mostly so-called reality shows. They've forgotten that the M was for music.

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