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Exile on 2 cd's ?

to better make more money, my dear....

''they have boosted the volume and used the original US vinyl mix on "Star Star" which attempts to disguise the "pussy clean" line'' (unquote)

- Well, that does it for me. I'll never buy these, if 'Deluxe' means 'edited.' How revolting. I'll keep my "Exile' vinyl copy and my Virgin single disc 'Exile' remaster, thank you kindly.

Perhaps it's the Japan-promo ....

All these albums will be /are released as SHM-CDs by UMC in Japan, too.

But Exile was never been released by Virgin Records in 1972, ...???


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no but it (Exile) was re-released on Virgin in 1994

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no but it (Exile) was re-released on Virgin in 1994

Yes, but asked about these text seen on the sreens posted by UrbanSteel:




Fake or mistake by UMC Japan???


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Well, turning EXILE into a 2-disc set is preserving the original vinyl release, I suppose. As a boon for the band and bean-counters everywhere, it would also see the album's RIAA certification revert to multi-platinum (as it was certified in the waning days of vinyl) from platinum (which it was re-certified as when the RIAA counted the title as a single disc CD instead of a double disc LP). It would also offer a means of adding video content to each disc instead of releasing the anticipated CD/DVD package. Either way, it means a higher SRP for Universal and Promotone. Its not surprising that the promo incorrectly shows a July release date as promos are often produced in advance, such discrepancies are not uncommon. As for the error about listing the title as a 1972 Virgin release instead of Atlantic, this isn't the first time we've seen such sloppiness. The GOATS HEAD SOUP remaster lists "Angie" as being published by ABKCO instead of PromoPub or Colgems-EMI.

My vote goes to a 4-cd edition of Exile. One disc per side

And why is it being release on 2 records? Virgin and CBS did it on one.

Ha ha....first release by Virgin. That's a good one.

please let this thread die --- 45 pages...HAVE MERCY BABY!!!

Best thread ever!!!!

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Well, turning EXILE into a 2-disc set is preserving the original vinyl release, I suppose. As a boon for the band and bean-counters everywhere, it would also see the album's RIAA certification revert to multi-platinum (as it was certified in the waning days of vinyl) from platinum (which it was re-certified as when the RIAA counted the title as a single disc CD instead of a double disc LP). It would also offer a means of adding video content to each disc instead of releasing the anticipated CD/DVD package. Either way, it means a higher SRP for Universal and Promotone. Its not surprising that the promo incorrectly shows a July release date as promos are often produced in advance, such discrepancies are not uncommon. As for the error about listing the title as a 1972 Virgin release instead of Atlantic, this isn't the first time we've seen such sloppiness. The GOATS HEAD SOUP remaster lists "Angie" as being published by ABKCO instead of PromoPub or Colgems-EMI.

Oh Yeh? So Universal's loyalties obviously lie more with Klein & Co !

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Well, turning EXILE into a 2-disc set is preserving the original vinyl release, I suppose. As a boon for the band and bean-counters everywhere, it would also see the album's RIAA certification revert to multi-platinum (as it was certified in the waning days of vinyl) from platinum (which it was re-certified as when the RIAA counted the title as a single disc CD instead of a double disc LP). It would also offer a means of adding video content to each disc instead of releasing the anticipated CD/DVD package. Either way, it means a higher SRP for Universal and Promotone. Its not surprising that the promo incorrectly shows a July release date as promos are often produced in advance, such discrepancies are not uncommon. As for the error about listing the title as a 1972 Virgin release instead of Atlantic, this isn't the first time we've seen such sloppiness. The GOATS HEAD SOUP remaster lists "Angie" as being published by ABKCO instead of PromoPub or Colgems-EMI.

I've this new remastered Goats Head Soup released by UMC,
This is a scan from the inlay:


And later on we can find:
Track 5 (P) 1993 Promotone B.V. under exclusive license to Universal International Music B.V.

But nothing about ABKCO !!!

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... but after all, surely there is a way to get "Angie" by ABKCO, too, same way as Miss You, Happy, Love Is Strong, Mixed Emotions and some more:

All these tracks you can find on Forty Licks, published by ABKCO, Virgin etc

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Westminister and ABKCO are/were joint publishers of Jagger/Richards songs from 1963-1970 depending on the territory. Promopub (publishing division of Promotone) published Jagger/Richards songs from 1972-1977. Colgems/EMI Music took over administration of the Promopub titles and all subsequent Jagger/Richards songs published from 1978-1984. Promopub was reactivated for new Jagger/Richards songs (and a fair amount of their solo songwriting efforts) from 1985-present. In any event, you shouldn't see Westminister/ABKCO listed as publishing anything after the handful of tracks on EXILE written before 1971 (Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, All Down the Line, Shine a Light, and formerly Stop Breaking Down until Robert Johnson's estate sorted out his publishing rights).

source: [www.forpiano.com]

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Thanks. Never knew Westminister's publishing rights extended beyond 1970. Its not that way in North America.

Nevermind. Didn't know nothing about Westminster Music Limited before ...

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perhaps I scanned thru these 45 pages of posts too quickly, but what specific distortion are folks alluding too? There is distortion on som of these orig. masters. I'm of the mind set that tap hiss should not be removed from the master when transferred to cd. With only SF, GHS & IORR so far, i'd note GHS especially is full of distortion, sonic oddness, ghost vocals, etc...& all that remains - re pussy clean maybe they used the orig american master???

Schaltone BV of Holland.............another Stones publishing company??

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perhaps I scanned thru these 45 pages of posts too quickly, but what specific distortion are folks alluding too? There is distortion on some of these orig. masters. I'm of the mind set that tap hiss should not be removed from the master when transferred to cd. With only SF, GHS & IORR so far, i'd note GHS especially is full of distortion, sonic oddness, ghost vocals, etc..

Do a comparison between the Virgin CD's and the new remasters on a nice set of headphones. They've managed to take distortion that was buried in the mix and put it in the forefront (especially on SF & GHS). With the exception of the distortion, the mixes are definitely cleaner and way louder.

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perhaps I scanned thru these 45 pages of posts too quickly, but what specific distortion are folks alluding too? There is distortion on some of these orig. masters. I'm of the mind set that tap hiss should not be removed from the master when transferred to cd. With only SF, GHS & IORR so far, i'd note GHS especially is full of distortion, sonic oddness, ghost vocals, etc..

Do a comparison between the Virgin CD's and the new remasters on a nice set of headphones. They've managed to take distortion that was buried in the mix and put it in the forefront (especially on SF & GHS). With the exception of the distortion, the mixes are definitely cleaner and way louder.

Here is a quote from a reviewer on Amazon (and I'm not saying he's right, I'm just quoting him)...

"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

Has anybody noticed this?

Drew

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perhaps I scanned thru these 45 pages of posts too quickly, but what specific distortion are folks alluding too? There is distortion on some of these orig. masters. I'm of the mind set that tap hiss should not be removed from the master when transferred to cd. With only SF, GHS & IORR so far, i'd note GHS especially is full of distortion, sonic oddness, ghost vocals, etc..

Do a comparison between the Virgin CD's and the new remasters on a nice set of headphones. They've managed to take distortion that was buried in the mix and put it in the forefront (especially on SF & GHS). With the exception of the distortion, the mixes are definitely cleaner and way louder.

Here is a quote from a reviewer on Amazon (and I'm not saying he's right, I'm just quoting him)...

"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

Has anybody noticed this?

Drew

Yes, there is a difference to the remastered version released by Virgin/EMI, but it isn't loud, it's some kind of "live-loop-effect" to my ears ...
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perhaps I scanned thru these 45 pages of posts too quickly, but what specific distortion are folks alluding too? There is distortion on some of these orig. masters. I'm of the mind set that tap hiss should not be removed from the master when transferred to cd. With only SF, GHS & IORR so far, i'd note GHS especially is full of distortion, sonic oddness, ghost vocals, etc..

Do a comparison between the Virgin CD's and the new remasters on a nice set of headphones. They've managed to take distortion that was buried in the mix and put it in the forefront (especially on SF & GHS). With the exception of the distortion, the mixes are definitely cleaner and way louder.

Here is a quote from a reviewer on Amazon (and I'm not saying he's right, I'm just quoting him)...

"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

Has anybody noticed this?

Drew

Yes, there is a difference to the remastered version released by Virgin/EMI, but it isn't loud, it's some kind of "live-loop-effect" to my ears ...
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What is a "live-loop-effect"??

Drew

hmmm, it sounds like a little "applause" but not by audience, some "noise" to start a new verse ..., it gives a little kick ..., can't discribe it better ...
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hmmm, it sounds like a little "applause" but not by audience, some "noise" to start a new verse ..., it gives a little kick ..., can't discribe it better ...
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Is it on the original vinyl?

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hmmm, it sounds like a little "applause" but not by audience, some "noise" to start a new verse ..., it gives a little kick ..., can't discribe it better ...
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Is it on the original vinyl?

Drew

Ha, can't see it ... and can't listen to it, too, because my LP-Player is broken ...

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hmmm, it sounds like a little "applause" but not by audience, some "noise" to start a new verse ..., it gives a little kick ..., can't discribe it better ...
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Is it on the original vinyl?

Drew

Ha, can't see it ... and can't listen to it, too, because my LP-Player is broken ...

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No worries. Ok, we need some help here! Would someone who happens to own both the original GHS on vinyl and the newly-remastered Universal CD please compare and tell us if they both have this little "loop effect", or is it unique to the CD? Thanks!

Drew

On Suck On The Jugular there is distortion of Mick's vocals. But that was done during the recording.

What people are talking about with the distortion of the UMG reissues is OVERALL. You play it loud, it's possibly OK. You play it really loud it distorts. The ceiling was extended - and they took that space and filled it up. That is not dynamics, that is brickwalling. And that is what they did. So these reissues will be the worst ever releases in The Rolling Stones history of their catalog.

And as word continues to get around, they will not sell anything close to CBS or Virgin's reissues. Nobody wants something they can't listen to - except for rap "music" fans.

skipstone, PLEASE, what is meant by "brickwalling"? I'm still sorting thru my impressions of SF, GHS, IORR, & B&B, each playrf 2, to 4 times...The fact my system has been set up in a diffeerent room as I'm back caretaking my mom at her house means everything (speaker placement etc)is still in need of tweaking...As I've said, my own aesthetic means I want engineers to not f*** with the source, in transfer from analog (well...) to digital medium; always preserve the essence of the 1st generation master as shaped by artist, producer, and engineers before delivered to the record co. for release - whatever idiosycracies, flaws tape hiss or 'distortion' there may be on tape - otherwise we have such stupid revisionism as the Zappa '90s Ryko disasters, or Jon Astley's butchering of Clapton's 'Rainbow Concert", originally a dense murky druggy yet fascinating document, surgically cut, neutered into an antiseptic, dishonest audio lie. Or the Allmans Fillmore album digitized into that frustrating "Fillmore Concerts" Polygram foisted on us in the early 90s. Heck, I still prefer Bowie's Raw Power to Iggy's remix (which might make a useful 2nd disc 'altmix' in a 'deluxe' editon). Exceptions include say longer versions of edited tracks when aesthetically superior i.e. 'Slave'. Or, natch, bonus stuff appended after the orig album. To me IORR is clearly livelier, more detailed, and overall less lumpy than original vunyl and subsequent CDs. Yet I find Stu's piano on the title track a bit less easy to follow than on the Virgin...perhaps a room/placement issue? The guitars sure are better delineated from the murk...The packaging of remains utterly unacceptable. Sonically however, I'm sometimes impressed - play 'Melody' or 'Fool To Cry' or' Cherry' and 'Negrita' and tell me my ears are telling lies!

"play 'Melody' or 'Fool To Cry' or' Cherry' and 'Negrita' and tell me my ears are telling lies!"
They're not. Acc. to our expert Nikolai B&B is the "best" of the lot so far...