Cant understand any of ya,why dontchas speak aussie.Rockmans the right bloke for this thread.

whiskey Wrote:
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> Cant understand any of ya,why dontchas speak
> aussie.Rockmans the right bloke for this thread.


ha ha, i used to work with a woman from Tasmania - at the end of the day she'd stand up and announce, well ! i have to bugger-off now ! ha haaaaaaaaaaa guess that's brit-talk also ;-)

Hey loochie, was she a top root. I was just about to anser ya when it started pissin down so i hadta shoot out the back and grabmethongs before they got f#&*@kin wet. In the west we dont say bugger off, we say f$%&*koff.

so i guess it's raining ? :-) wot's top root mean ?

yeah, in the states we prefer to say f(/&/%($ off too, so we talk like you ! well, in the piss-off sense though :-) in the states pissed-off means "to become very angry" though



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2007-08-06 10:10 by loochie.

hmmm, this is probably discouraging people who are trying to learn english...sorry !

Pissed off means the same here, top root=first class execution in the art of sexual intercourse.

geez, you aussies say lots of dirty words !!! ;-)

Yeah, the girls are worse though, rough as guts.

well, have to fly, i've got a job interview - i know it's pretty bizarre, but i can't miss it ...

Gazza put it right ,as Lennon said ''it sells better''
Most popular music released commercially is done in an American accent and has been through out my lifetime and probably long before that.
Folk music is normally sung in it's own accent and people are used to hearing that type of music in local accents,but when recorded music came along it invariably came from America so therefore became the normal accent to use when singing so called standards etc, this was just carried on into rock because like standards before rock music came from America.
Latin music no matter where it is from falls into a similar pattern as that's how people expect it to sound ,in other words standard.
A few acts over here in Britain have gone out of their way to sing in their own particular accent,a few examples being
Chas and Dave ,sing in a London accent what they term Rockney.
The Proclaimers sing in a very pronounced Scottish accent.
Catatonia singer Cerys Mathews sings in a very pronounced Welsh accent.
And of course dear old Ronam Keating sings in a very pronounced Irish accent.
Now if you are not familiar with any of these people it will be because they didn't sellthat well Internationally thus bringing us back to where we started from

Alex Turner - The Arctic Monkeys

whiskey Wrote:
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> Yeah, the girls are worse though, rough as guts.


yeah, that seems so !

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-08-06 21:19 by Beelyboy.

OK....



ROCKMAN

I was gonna say that myself..! :-) I always wondered which one is the cockney accent. Is Mick's accent considered cockney? And how about Keith's? (when they talk I mean) And do other people hear differences in the way they speak over the years or is it just me?

Who the f*ck is Mick Jagger?

gia43 Wrote:
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Is
> Mick's accent considered cockney?

-no, its mockney


And how about
> Keith's?

- transatlantic keef-speak

Yeah..I had figured Keith's already...!

Who the f*ck is Mick Jagger?

adotulipson Wrote:
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> Gazza put it right ,as Lennon said ''it sells
> better''
> Most popular music released commercially is done
> in an American accent and has been through out my
> lifetime and probably long before that.
> Folk music is normally sung in it's own accent and
> people are used to hearing that type of music in
> local accents,but when recorded music came along
> it invariably came from America so therefore
> became the normal accent to use when singing so
> called standards etc, this was just carried on
> into rock because like standards before rock music
> came from America.
> Latin music no matter where it is from falls into
> a similar pattern as that's how people expect it
> to sound ,in other words standard.
> A few acts over here in Britain have gone out of
> their way to sing in their own particular accent,a
> few examples being
> Chas and Dave ,sing in a London accent what they
> term Rockney.
> The Proclaimers sing in a very pronounced Scottish
> accent.
> Catatonia singer Cerys Mathews sings in a very
> pronounced Welsh accent.
> And of course dear old Ronam Keating sings in a
> very pronounced Irish accent.
> Now if you are not familiar with any of these
> people it will be because they didn't sellthat
> well Internationally thus bringing us back to
> where we started from


YES I forgot about the Arctic Monkeys in my list of British accents,still too early to tell if they will become International strars though I think

Both Keith and Mick (Mick particularly) have always been great mimics and Mick has a whole library of fake accents to use for particular songs, starting from his teenage years when his mum remembered him doing La Bamba in mock-Spanish. I doubt if his "mockney" spoken English is his original real accent - it's just that in the mid 60s it was fashionable to be either working-class or "classless" - but after talking that way for forty years he's probably stuck with it now.

Can I add Ian Dury to the list of those who sing in their real accent?

(Accent? Wot accent? I aven't got a naccent! Mine is native West London like Ron's & Charlie's, tidied up a bit by the remains of a grammar-school education.)

Bill Wyman sings in his real accent!!

Of course, hardly anyone buys his records, which somewhat enforces that Beatles theory about it 'selling better'...



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Beelyboy Wrote:
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> naw, gazz that cain't be close to jagger's real
> 'accento' in 'where the boys go"!!?? nahhh...


Its in the same 'region' even though its a bit exaggerated for effect

i can't understand a lot when i listen to the pogues' lead singer...i realize that he's pissed at all times but i have the feeling that i wouldn't understand him even if he weren't ;-) on the other hand, i have irish friends who i understand perfectly, so maybe it actually is because he's pissed. on the other hand, we have been rather pissed at times while we're speaking, and we still understand each other, so..... who knows ;-)

Mick’s from Kent and I don't think back then, that people from the county had such a distinct accent. They do now, as so many here have moved to the area from south London.


BTW, as others have stated, when Jagger does cockney, it's absolutely 100% fake. There isn't really anything 'London' about Jagger. The band formed there and he's lived there a LONG time, but you can't change where you are from.

Heaven knows where Keith sounds like he's from. Planet Keith me thinks.

for me it's kind of difficult to believe that so much UK etc. music is sung without an accent on purpose for commercial reasons ?? i don't understand how it's so easy to lose your accent.

loochie Wrote:
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> i can't understand a lot when i listen to the
> pogues' lead singer...i realize that he's pissed
> at all times but i have the feeling that i
> wouldn't understand him even if he weren't ;-) on
> the other hand, i have irish friends who i
> understand perfectly, so maybe it actually is
> because he's pissed.

Maybe its also because he actually speaks with a London accent. Whatever it is, its certainly not Irish. He's lived most of his life in the south of England. Most of the band are English by birth.

Gazza Wrote:
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> loochie Wrote:
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> -----
> > i can't understand a lot when i listen to the
> > pogues' lead singer...i realize that he's
> pissed
> > at all times but i have the feeling that i
> > wouldn't understand him even if he weren't ;-)
> on
> > the other hand, i have irish friends who i
> > understand perfectly, so maybe it actually is
> > because he's pissed.
>
> Maybe its also because he actually speaks with a
> London accent. Whatever it is, its certainly not
> Irish. He's lived most of his life in the south of
> England. Most of the band are English by birth.


really ?!!! oh well, never mind - wot do i know. at any rate, i don't understand him ;-)

schillid Wrote:
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> I think it'd be a jolly good idea...
> If people were to mayke this thread in a Britsh
> accent/typing display.
> In favor?

That would be "favour".

You might have to scrape me off the floor at the end of the tour, but it'll be really good scrapings. - Mick Jagger

In recent years Madonna has started speaking with a British accent...

loochie Wrote:
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> for me it's kind of difficult to believe that so
> much UK etc. music is sung without an accent on
> purpose for commercial reasons ?? i don't
> understand how it's so easy to lose your accent.


If you do singing lessons (for pop/rock), one of the most important aspects they teach you (after breathing) is about forming sounds. For example, when Mick sings "I met a gin soaked..." he actually sings it more like "Ah metta gen-soaked.." This is because the vowel sound "I" does not produce good tone at all, sounding pinched and nasel. Most people sing like this automatically without thinking about it.

So the point is that singers nearly always change pronouniation of words when singing - it is one of the most important parts of the technique. Once you sing in this manner, you will end up with very little accent and perhaps a little american twang - unless you then start to sing with an affected accent such as Mick does on Where the Boys Go.

Quoted from somewhere on the net...

1. Pronounce all consonants – This is very important. Consonants like “b, c, d, g, j, k, l, p, q, s, t, v, w, x, and z” are what are called “voiced consonants.” Pronounce their sounds and you will see that they have a sound you can pronounce. Other consonants, like “f, h, m, n, and r” are imploded consonants. This means that the sounds can’t really be said. For example, the “f” sound is like “fff,” while g, a voiced consonant sounds like “guh.” You must emphasis all consonant sounds when you are singing, whether they are voiced or imploded. If you have a word that ends with a “t” or “k,” you must pronounce it. For example, say you were singing “I want to take it to the end of the rainbow,” you would sing, “I wanT To TaKe iT To thee enD of the rainbow,” which the capitalized letters being clearly pronounced and slightly emphasized. Don’t overemphasize or you will hurt your vocal cords.



2. Vowel sounds are also very important. Some vowel sounds are “dipthongs,” which means they have more than one pure vowel sound in them. The pure vowel sounds are “Ah, eh, ee, o, ooh.” Some vowels, like the long “I” sound, are a combination of these sounds – in that case, “Ah – ee.” When you run into dipthongs, you must pronounce both vowel sounds. You must also pronounce the vowel sounds clearly and by the pure sounds, NOT the same as you would in general speaking. For example, the sentence “Night has gone and day has come” would be “N-ah-ee-ght hAHs gone AHnd dAHy hAHs cUHm.”

gia43 Wrote:
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> I was gonna say that myself..! :-) I always
> wondered which one is the cockney accent. Is
> Mick's accent considered cockney? And how about
> Keith's? (when they talk I mean) And do other
> people hear differences in the way they speak over
> the years or is it just me?


Mick went to grammer school and therefore used to talk in a typical english grammer school boy accent - a bit posh but not upper class, a sort of middle class, middle england accent.

If you listen to early interviews with Mick you often her this accent. However, he varies his accent a lot depending on the circumstances. You often hear him, particularly in the late 60s and 70s talking in a mock cockney accent. After all, a bad boy shouldn't have a middle class accent. The cockney accent got worse after punk but then settled down in the mid 80s. On the Still Life tour, you often hear Mick talking in a false american accent. My guess is he just changes his accent to fit in with whoever / whatever is around at the time. I guess any budding phsycologists could tell us what this says about Mick's personality.

I have NEVER heard Mick talking in a Kentish accent (I was born in Kent and my mum went to Dartford Grammer School at exactly the same time as Mick - the girls were in a different part of the school back then with no mixed lessons).

Keiths accent has also changed over the years - there is a definate difference between his early 60s polite and quite well spoken english to whatever language it is he speaks now. He actually used to be able to finish a sentence in the old days...