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Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: bassplayer617 ()
Date: July 9, 2007 02:27

I still listen to it regularly. For various reasons, it will probably never be officially released, but after 34 years it's still readily available in various incarnations.

As a matter of fact, I have a version of it playing right now, a compilation of my own making, which slightly alters the setlist order.

We all know the history, so this is to establish once and for all if this is the be-all and end-all of Stones bootlegs. In other words, if you could have just ONE Stones boot, would this be it?

If nothing else, it offers perhaps the best-single Taylor-era version of "Gimme Shelter" (Wembley) ever recorded. It still sends shivers down my spine each and every time I hear it.

Honestly, I don't know if I could choose between this one and the "Handsome Girls" set.

So, here's a classic exercise in rhetoric. Have at it, students.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: melillo ()
Date: July 9, 2007 02:50

would love the the dvd of this to surface, it was filmed and is in the bbc archives

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Tumblin_Dice_07 ()
Date: July 9, 2007 03:21

I would say that the Brussels Affair material (there are so many versions) is the ultimate Rolling Stones bootleg recording(s) out there.

Handsome Girls is also great and very essential, and I'd count Welcome to New York, Rocks Off, Ft. Worth Express, Philadelphia Special, Live'r Than You'll Ever Be, the Los Angelos 7/13/75 recording, Passaic 6/14/78, Hampton 12/18/81, Atlantic City 12/19/89 and maybe Naples 7/17/82 (and more...) as essential recordings, but I think the Brussels Affair recordings top them all.......


edit: I left out Leeds 3/13/71



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-07-09 23:55 by Tumblin_Dice_07.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: bassplayer617 ()
Date: July 9, 2007 03:26

melillo Wrote:
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> would love the the dvd of this to surface, it was
> filmed and is in the bbc archives

Is this verifiable info? Why has it not surfaced on a boot DVD? What is your source?

A few folks on this board were actually there. Did you see movie cameras about?

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: melillo ()
Date: July 9, 2007 03:39

my source is the complete works web site, dont know how true it is though

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: bassplayer617 ()
Date: July 9, 2007 03:57

melillo Wrote:
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> my source is the complete works web site, dont
> know how true it is though

That's all? Unsubstantiated second-hand rumor, then.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: melillo ()
Date: July 9, 2007 04:14

no its a bit more solid than that i would think

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: tjkeef ()
Date: July 9, 2007 05:13

Tour De Force, Welcome to N.Y., King biscuit78,

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Sohoe ()
Date: July 9, 2007 05:16

bassplayer617 Wrote:
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>
> We all know the history, so this is to establish
> once and for all if this is the be-all and end-all
> of Stones bootlegs. In other words, if you could
> have just ONE Stones boot, would this be it?

No I'll probably choose something from the '78 US tour...

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: KWhinos ()
Date: July 9, 2007 05:19

For me Brussels would be the "ONE" I would choose

My Blog
[stonesrockforever.blogspot.com]

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Date: July 9, 2007 05:21

If I had to choose just one Stones' bootleg from my collection to keep for some reason, it would definately be my Brussels '73!!!! That was the first boot I ever listened to and it changed my life. I'm now a bonafide Stones boot addict. I just can't get enough of The Boys performing live, and the Stones absolutely rocked during their '73 tour and Brussels really captures the passion of that era.
The Handsome Girls CDs are in my top 5 list of fav Stones boots, btw. Dig it.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Beelyboy ()
Date: July 9, 2007 05:58

so many good ones out there; hard to tell...first boot i ever had or heard of was 'liver than you'll ever be' '69, and that sure got a lot of play for many years...even recently...i would say imo, adtl from brussels certainly the best version of that i've ever heard on a boot...maybe happy too...others...hard to tell...but really an eye opener...brown sugar from that one too...gawd, it was a hell of a show...maybe so...maybe if you had only one...but i've sure heard some fierce stuff from other shows and tours too on various boots...and i've only got a handful...but a dreamy essential one in my own day to day life, including handsome girls and stuff from '78...yeh brussels...whoa...almost end of the line for that personnel...interesting tour leg; nicky and stu to billy preston, taylor's very last few shows...folks tell me that some shows on that euro leg found the band 'tired' and wasn't all that good BUT brussels really stuck out...it sure changed my life and i saw the '72 tour in different us cities, including nyc, which was amazing beyond my powers of description; always trying to tell peeps about it the feeling in the room...but it's hard...l&g comes close but not as raw as they really were to me live...only got the gift of brussels several months ago...knocked me totally out...brussels is historic...
i love the boot of them rehearsing what was to become 'td'...the raw band working out there kills me...but yeh, maybe brussels...

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Tumblin_Dice_07 ()
Date: July 9, 2007 06:12

Beelyboy Wrote:
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> so many good ones out there; hard to tell...first
> boot i ever had or heard of was 'liver than you'll
> ever be' '69, and that sure got a lot of play for
> many years...even recently...i would say imo, adtl
> from brussels certainly the best version of that
> i've ever heard on a boot...maybe happy
> too...others...hard to tell...but really an eye
> opener...brown sugar from that one too...gawd, it
> was a hell of a show...maybe so...maybe if you had
> only one...but i've sure heard some fierce stuff
> from other shows and tours too on various
> boots...and i've only got a handful...but a dreamy
> essential one in my own day to day life, including
> handsome girls and stuff from '78...yeh
> brussels...whoa...almost end of the line for that
> personnel...interesting tour leg; nicky and stu to
> billy preston, taylor's very last few
> shows...folks tell me that some shows on that euro
> leg found the band 'tired' and wasn't all that
> good BUT brussels really stuck out...it sure
> changed my life and i saw the '72 tour in
> different us cities, including nyc, which was
> amazing beyond my powers of description; always
> trying to tell peeps about it the feeling in the
> room...but it's hard...l&g comes close but not as
> raw as they really were to me live...only got the
> gift of brussels several months ago...knocked me
> totally out...brussels is historic...
> i love the boot of them rehearsing what was to
> become 'td'...the raw band working out there kills
> me...but yeh, maybe brussels...


wow haha.......I do think that the Stones sounded tired sometimes on the '73 European tour but when they were really ON (and they were definately on in Brussels) then they were at their absolute peak.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Glam Descendant ()
Date: July 9, 2007 09:04

GET YER LEEDS LUNGS OUT

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: saltoftheearth ()
Date: July 9, 2007 09:41

bassplayer617 Wrote:
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> melillo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > would love the the dvd of this to surface, it
> was
> > filmed and is in the bbc archives
>
> Is this verifiable info? Why has it not surfaced
> on a boot DVD? What is your source?


Yes, it is reported in many books but the material never surfaced so it cannot be available on a DVD. In fact, nobody knows if the tape still exists. Somewhere I read the amusing possibility that some BBC guy could have erased it when he needed the tape for a Teletubby episode.

Fro me, the Brussels/London recordings are THE essential Rolling Stones live recordings ever. I have been listening to them for 30 years now (in 1977 I bought NASTY MUSIC) and every time I listen it's still amazing. The sound is absolutely fantastic.

I would not want to miss other recordings but if it came down to one bootleg I would be allowed to keep it would be this one.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Doc ()
Date: July 9, 2007 11:11

Brussels’ version of Angie is absolutely amazing.
Bill’s bass sound and the keyboard mini solo make it absolutely special

[doctorstonesblog.blogspot.com]

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: casinoboogie ()
Date: July 9, 2007 13:10

the way the band 'gels' is just incomprehensible to me. they are just so unbelievably overpowering. wearing headphones and listening to it is just mindblowing. the drumming - man - Charlie sounds like if he plays any faster the sticks are gonna fly out his hands. Keith's savage rhythm on SFM - im surprised he didnt lose his plectrums! MT is just elevating his position as a rock guitar GOD. man he sets the house alight... its unbelievable how fluent, melodic and talented he was. they were the line up of the Gods..it was my first bootleg.. it is my favourite incarnation of the band by a country mile

...if only the kids could hear this instead of flashpoint.... :-(

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: toomuchforme ()
Date: July 9, 2007 14:12

Tumblin_Dice_07 Wrote:
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> I would say that the Brussels Affair material
> (there are so many versions) is the ultimate
> Rolling Stones bootleg recording(s) out there.
>
> Handsome Girls is also great and very essential,
> and I'd count Welcome to New York, Rocks Off, Ft.
> Worth Express, Philadelphia Special, Live'r Than
> You'll Ever Be, the Los Angelos 7/13/75 recording,
> Passaic 6/14/78, Hampton 12/18/81, Atlantic City
> 12/19/89 and maybe Naples 7/17/82 (and more...) as
> essential recordings, but I think the Brussels
> Affair recordings top them all.......


Yes everything is here

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: July 9, 2007 14:34

To me the 3 essential boots are :

Brussels
Handsome
Stripped Companion

"No Anchovies, Please"

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: brass olive ()
Date: July 9, 2007 14:37

There's a small snippett of both Brussels shows on a movie called "Rolling Stones Express"....silent footage.
So there is a possibility that those filmakers have more and perhaps sound ??

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: highanddry ()
Date: July 9, 2007 14:57

saltoftheearth Wrote:
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> bassplayer617 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > melillo Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > would love the the dvd of this to surface, it
> > was
> > > filmed and is in the bbc archives
> >
> > Is this verifiable info? Why has it not
> surfaced
> > on a boot DVD? What is your source?
>
>
> Yes, it is reported in many books but the material
> never surfaced so it cannot be available on a DVD.
> In fact, nobody knows if the tape still exists.
> Somewhere I read the amusing possibility that some
> BBC guy could have erased it when he needed the
> tape for a Teletubby episode.
>
> Fro me, the Brussels/London recordings are THE
> essential Rolling Stones live recordings ever. I
> have been listening to them for 30 years now (in
> 1977 I bought NASTY MUSIC) and every time I listen
> it's still amazing. The sound is absolutely
> fantastic.
>
> I would not want to miss other recordings but if
> it came down to one bootleg I would be allowed to
> keep it would be this one.

The use of videotape in 1973 was generally only used in television studios, using it in the field would have been highly unlikely back in those days, the equipment would have been large, heavy and cumbersome, if field equipment to do a concert even existed at all. Remember, videotape back then required a huge VCR, weighing 50 pounds or more, and the tape itself would not have been with the camera, it would have been in that stationary VCR, the camera attached to the VCR with a thick, heavy pin cable. Even the videotape back then would have likely been 2 inches wide in format, on open reel, rather than a cassette (which I question whether cassettes even existed then, either)

If Brussels 1973 was shot, it was almost certainly shot on film, which obviously would not be subject to erasure by the BBC or anyone else. I'm kind of dubious that even that was done, since pro-shot cameras generally are pretty noticeable in a concert setting. It's certainly possible that small handheld film cameras could have been used and escaped much notice, but that still seems unlikely to me.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: phd ()
Date: July 9, 2007 18:00

I don't have as much bootlegs as a lot people here, but to me " Brussels 73 " is the Live of The Stones. Keith and MickT combined so well. Even a common song like Dancing with Mister D sounds like a masterpiece.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: rooster ()
Date: July 9, 2007 18:07

I love Rotterdam 73 also very much...but its ar ....find it wonderfull and funny that the best ever bootleg was recorded in Belgium!!

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: midrambler ()
Date: July 9, 2007 18:18

Hampton 81 for me!!!!!!!

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: rlngstns ()
Date: July 9, 2007 18:23

My favorite boot is the Bedspring Symphony..A box lunch and meat whistle...Brussels '73...awesome...let me know if you need a copy

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: July 9, 2007 20:12

midrambler Wrote:
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> Hampton 81 for me!!!!!!!


Agree!

C

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: phd ()
Date: July 9, 2007 21:01

rlngstns Wrote:
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> My favorite boot is the Bedspring Symphony..A box
> lunch and meat whistle...Brussels
> '73...awesome...let me know if you need a copy


That 's one of my greatest dilemna.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: jjflash73 ()
Date: July 9, 2007 21:16

Nasty Music/Timeless Europe/Bruxelles Affair

Handsome Girls/AC '89/Voodoo Edo/7th of July

2003 HBO MSG/

so may great ones

Leeds, FT Worth,......

My suggestion, collect 2-3 of the best from each tour or use the Jones, Taylor and Woods eras as dividing points.

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: rlngstns ()
Date: July 9, 2007 21:20

so good...nothin's come close IMO

Re: Is "Brussels" '73 Truly THE One Essential Bootleg?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: July 9, 2007 21:23

I am a brussels 73 virgin... What's all the fuss about? tongue sticking out smiley

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