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skipstone
This is all very interesting but I still can't be convinced of it - if they weren't so busy being busy with what they were wearing and looking like the album might have actually come out as an album instead of an EP of Citadel, Rainbow, 2000 Man and Light Years surrounded by a bunch of stoned boring filler.
Had they included We Love You on it it would have been that much better. But to no avail - the finished product should have been released as an EP.
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Mathijs
Well, here's the list. There's three things quite apperent to me: This is Keith's album (it's his songs, and he's guiding the sessions), the second most important man is Nicky Hopkins, and you can clearly hear the demise of Brian Jones -on all tracks he plays on (either Mellotron, organ or acoustic guitar) he seems just too stoned to keep track. His timing is off, he can't find the chords. I guess every musician had this experience: you smoke a big joint, and you think all you play is fantastic. Untill you hear the playback the next day...
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Mathijs
A short listening session this evening: this is what can be heard on the outtakes of some Majesties tracks:
Citadel
Drums: Charlie Watts
Bass: Bill Wyman
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Glockenspiel (? The high pitched “ping”): Mick Jagger
Shaker: Mick Jagger
Mellotron (Mandolin): Nicky Hopkins
Mellotron (strings): Nicky Hopkins
Mellotron (brass): Nicky Hopkins
Piano: Nicky Hopkins
Harpsichord: Nicky Hopkins
Mathijs
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Mathijs
A short listening session this evening: this is what can be heard on the outtakes of some Majesties tracks:
Citadel
Drums: Charlie Watts
Bass: Bill Wyman
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Glockenspiel (? The high pitched “ping”): Mick Jagger
Shaker: Mick Jagger
Mellotron (Mandolin): Nicky Hopkins
Mellotron (strings): Nicky Hopkins
Mellotron (brass): Nicky Hopkins
Piano: Nicky Hopkins
Harpsichord: Nicky Hopkins
Mathijs
Where's the evidence that Hopkins played mellotron on Citadel? Like His Majesty, are you just 'assuming' or 'guessing' that it was Hopkins?
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Mathijs
Well, here's the list. There's three things quite apperent to me: This is Keith's album (it's his songs, and he's guiding the sessions), the second most important man is Nicky Hopkins, and you can clearly hear the demise of Brian Jones -on all tracks he plays on (either Mellotron, organ or acoustic guitar) he seems just too stoned to keep track. His timing is off, he can't find the chords. I guess every musician had this experience: you smoke a big joint, and you think all you play is fantastic. Untill you hear the playback the next day...
Mathijs
Two Points:
1.)On what TSMR songs do you think Brian plays acoustic guitar?
2.)You speak of Brian's demise. His timing seems to be perfect on 2000 LYFH (mellotron), She's A Rainbow (mellotron), Gomper (just about everything!), The Lantern (mellotron, sax), and On With the Show (mellotron).
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Rolling Hansie
Long time ago I bought an 8CD box with Satanic outtakes. It has no label though. Not even a matrix number on the CD's. The box is titled Satanic Sessions Box. Wonder if the recordings are the same as the ones you are talking about here. It certainly looks that way. Are there several/different editions of these outtakes ?
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Mathijs
A short listening session this evening: this is what can be heard on the outtakes of some Majesties tracks:
Citadel
Drums: Charlie Watts
Bass: Bill Wyman
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Glockenspiel (? The high pitched “ping”): Mick Jagger
Shaker: Mick Jagger
Mellotron (Mandolin): Nicky Hopkins
Mellotron (strings): Nicky Hopkins
Mellotron (brass): Nicky Hopkins
Piano: Nicky Hopkins
Harpsichord: Nicky Hopkins
Mathijs
Where's the evidence that Hopkins played mellotron on Citadel? Like His Majesty, are you just 'assuming' or 'guessing' that it was Hopkins?
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neptune
Where's the evidence that Hopkins played mellotron on Citadel? Like His Majesty, are you just 'assuming' or 'guessing' that it was Hopkins?
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Mathijs
Concerning Gomper: judging on the outtakes Brian only plays the vox Bijou (electric dulcimer). The version on this outtakes set is the basic track for the released version, and only percussion and vocals seemed to be added.
Concerning The Lantern: all brass is from the mellotron, I do not believe Brian actually played sax.
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with sssoul
HM, are the links to the downloads on page 1 still active?
just in case someone hasn't heard the sessions under discussion ... neptune, you *have* heard them, right?
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Concerning The Lantern: all brass is from the mellotron, I do not believe Brian actually played sax.
I take it you mean Citadel rather than the lantern?
Regarding Brian and the sax, I have no problem believing he plays on something happened, but I don't think that it's prominent in the mix, what we hear is an arrangement and I agree that the meat of the parts are by sessions musicians most likely arranged by Jack Nischte.
But, The thing with Dandelion and Child of the Moon is that they both feature very simple soprano sax lines, we know that Brian loved soprano sax, although he plays alto on the beatles track, has there been any mention by anyone who played the sax parts on those two songs? It's assumed he did them, but is there anything that proves or even hints that he did or didn't play?
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neptune
2.)You speak of Brian's demise. His timing seems to be perfect on 2000 LYFH (mellotron), She's A Rainbow (mellotron), Gomper (just about everything!), The Lantern (mellotron, sax), and On With the Show (mellotron).
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His Majesty
But, The thing with Dandelion and Child of the Moon is that they both feature very simple soprano sax lines, we know that Brian loved soprano sax, although he plays alto on the beatles track, has there been any mention by anyone who played the sax parts on those two songs? It's assumed he did them, but is there anything that proves or even hints that he did or didn't play?
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neptune
Yes, I agree with this 100%.
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neptune
If Brian played sax on a Beatles track, he probably played sax on some Stones tracks as well.
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His Majesty
There is no mellotron on The Lantern! The real brass section on the lantern(and sing this altogether) isn't Brian, it's clearly arranged horns played by session musicians, for one man to play all that would require about 8 seperate tracks.
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Mathijs
The Lantern take 1 to 5 has Keith playing electric and Brian on acoustic. Keith wants Brian to follow Nicky ('Nicky, just give a nod to Brian'), but it's not working. Take 10 to 17 has Keith on acoustic and Brian on organ. Keith's acoustic playing combines the electric parts he has in mind, and he follows the piano more closely, especially in the last to bars of the intro. Mathijs
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neptune
Do you think Brian is playing acoustic on the released version of Lantern? It kind of sounds like his playing on Goddard's One Plus One footage of the acoustic take of SFTD (where Mick is teaching Brian the part but then leaves him alone once he's got it down and begins adding some nice bluesy runs during verse) Also, on 2000 Man, is that Brian on sitar-sounding electric guitar during the initial verses as well as on acoustic? Sounds like it might be him but I'm not sure.
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His Majesty
I've searched and searched for bootlegs containing any trace of Brian on sax on rich man, nothing out there that I'm aware of.