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This is from memory, but I believe Brian played oboe on Baby You're a Rich Man.

There isn't any oboe on the track though, the weird reedy sound is a small monophonic electronic keyboard called a clavioline which was played by John Lennon.

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His Majesty
Brian plays acoustic guitar for some early takes, but he's on organ for the remainder of the session. His playing is strikingly different and weaker sounding during the session than Keith's and it's Keith's stronger, confident playing that can be heard on the released version.

Brian doesn't appear to be present for the 2000 Man session. All of the guitars are by Keith, organ by Nicky Hopkins.

Mick has said that Brian didn't play any guitar on TSMR, make of that what you will.

He certainly played on the early takes of The Lantern though, we hear him talk, Glyn talks to him about tuning up etc, but that seems to be the only proof of him playing guitar on the double box sets.

Thank you, HM. Yeah, it seems like a precursor to BB for Brian. A lot of acoustic guitar strumming during sessions and multiple photos during TSMR/BB period bear that out, but none made it to the final cut. Air guitar . . .

It's frustrating listening to Brian play acoustic on the early takes of The Lantern, his tuning is off even after tuning up and what he plays is close too being something cool, but he keeps throwing in wonky licks for an end phrase.

If you haven't already, you need to download and listen to the box sets neptune!

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Like Glam I also got lost in rar crap. Isn't there just one simple one step way to get this set again?

download it on to an mp3 player and revue it at your leisure, no need to burn to cd until you have decided what's worth repeated listening, then make your own personal choice from the vast array available here, I 'm enjoying the listen very much

I re-open this very interesting thread to ask if you have noted the presence of Brian in some other part of the 8CD Box Set.
I'm referring to:
Title 15
Gold painted fingernails
Bues 3
Majesties honky tonk
...etc.

After having studied all your comments I think that part of the information included in the several books and Zentgraf-site, about the dates of the sessions are messed up.

According to the fonts, Brian was in clinic during the first part of the July sessions and went to the Olympic Studios only one day: July 12.
Then he left for Marbella with Suki Poitier and stayed there until mid September.

Therefore he was not present at the July session and missed the August sessions as well.

If we look at the session lists, we can say that Brian participated at the Rainbow-We love you sessions in May and later in October he reappeared for some ovedurbs but missed most of the the sessions at which, apparently, the 8CD Box set refers.

This is the session file (one ot he several, but specular to Zentgraf):

OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 5.17 - 5.21.1967
1 She's A Rainbow (takes 1-7)
2 She's A Rainbow (their satanic majesties request)
3 She's A Rainbow (promo edited version)
4 Manhole Cover (unreleased)
5 Teistar (unreleased)



OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 6.9.1967
1 Citadel (takes 20-34)
2 Citadel (take with piano overdub)



OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 6.12 - 6.13 and 6.21.1967
1 We Love You (rehearsal)
2 We Love You (takes 15-19)
3 Dandelion (7"single)
4 Lady Fair (unreleased)


OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 7.2 - 7.22.1967
1 We Love You (7"single)
2 Sing This All Together (take 7)
3 Sing This All Together (intro)
4 Sing This All Together (their satanic majesties request)
5 Sing This All Together (See What Happens) (their satanic majesties request)
6 In Another Land (takes 1-9)
7 In Another Land (chorus part, takes 1-14)
8 In Another Land (their satanic majesties request)
9 On With The Show (takes 1-12,14)
10 On With The Show (their satanic majesties request)
11 The Lantern (takes 1-5,10-11,14-17)
12 The Lantern (retakes 1-3)
13 5 Part Jam Part 1 (takes 1-5)
14 5 Part Jam Part 2 (takes 1-5)
15 5 Part Jam Part 3 (takes 1-5)
16 5 Part Jam Part 4 (takes 1-15)
17 5 Part Jam Part 5 (takes 1-3)
18 Majesties Honky Tonk (takes 1-12,15-17)
19 Jam One (takes 1-15)
20 Title 15 (takes 1-7)
21 Soul Blues (takes 1-3)
22 Guitar/Organ Jam (similar to She Smiled Sweetly)
23 Blues 3 (takes 27-44)
24 Blues 3 (retakes 1-5)


OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 8.10 - 9.7.1967
1 Gomper (takes 1-5)
2 Gomper (part 1, takes 1-2)
3 Gomper (their satanic majesties request)
4 2000 Light Years From Home (rehearsal)
5 2000 Light Years From Home (takes 1-15)
6 2000 Light Years From Home (retakes 3-4)
7 2000 Light Years From Home (their satanic majesties request)
8 2000 Light Years From Home (promo edited version)
9 2000 Man (takes 1-11,13-15)
10 2000 Man (intro, takes 1-14)
11 2000 Man (middle part, takes 2-13)
12 2000 Man (end part, takes 1-3)


OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 10.2 - 10.5.1967
1 Citadel (their satanic majesties request)
2 The Lantern (their satanic majesties request)
3 Blow Me Mama (unreleased)
4 Manhole Cover (unreleased)
5 She's Doing Her Thing (unreleased)


OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 10.11.1967
1 Bathroom/Toilet (unreleased)


OLYMPIC SOUND STUDIOS, LONDON, 10.16, 10.21 and 10.23.1967
1 2000 Man (their satanic majesties request)
2 Cosmic Christmas (their satanic majesties request)
3 Gold Painted Fingernails (takes 1-23)
4 Child Of The Moon (takes 10-12)



In conclusion: if we assume that Brian was present at Gomper, Lantern, On with the show and 2000 LYFH sessions, then the Sessions Files have wrong dates.
Otherwise, the Sessions dates are correct but Brian was not present.

And this must be very likely the case for all the outtakes included in the 8CD set.



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I think it's obvious that the dates etc are messed up, it's to be expected imo.

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His Majesty
I think it's obvious that the dates etc are messed up, it's to be expected imo.

Yes, most probably they are - tracks could also have been recorded at other sessions than the list states...

However, Brian was present for the early September sessions - NME, September 9, 1967: (excerpt)

Keith Richard returned from Rome last Wednesday, and Brian Jones from Marbella, to join the group in a three-day recording session.


Journalist Keith Altham visited these sessions. Here are some interesting excerpts from his observations: (MNE, September 16, 1967)

He (=Mick) played me one of their new compositions, She Comes In Colours, which is augmented by strings, for inclusion on the next album,
and a 15-minute backing track where guitars, piano, tambourine, tom-toms, bass and drums are trown together to provide what Brian calls "India with a touch of the Arabian Nights!"

As Brian left the control room, sound engineer Glyn Johns extolled the Stones musicianship.
"Brian´s incredible," he said, "did you hear that harp on the last track - he played that - just picked it up in the studio."

A backing track was laid down and the Stones set about making music with Brian isolated in one portion of the studio playing tom-toms.

A great deal of their music is produced spontaneously in the studio as they improvise on a theme or idea that one or the other has created.

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His Majesty
Olympic Sound Studios: 22nd April 1967 - by John Reader - Time & Life Pictures

does anyone know what's in this bottle in the photo labeled HP SAUCE that's next to mick while he is holding what i assume is a cup of tea?

[en.wikipedia.org]

A Stonesfan must know that Keith's Shepherd's Pie is to be enjoyed with HP Sauce only.

Great thread.

There was a picture of Keith holding a bass guitar.

Do we know if he plays bass on any finished track.

I suspect it might be him on Lantern. (I don't know on what basis Mathjis assigns bass to Bill for every track - and every version of Lantern).

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(I don't know on what basis Mathjis assigns bass to Bill for every track - and every version of Lantern).

Because the acoustic is played by Keith during the basic backing track session, which also has Bill on bass, Brian on organ, Nicky on piano, Charlie on drums.

Some sources have Keith on bass on 2000 Light Years From Home.
I suppose he could have overdubbed bass on this and/or other tracks.

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rootsman
Some sources have Keith on bass on 2000 Light Years From Home.
I suppose he could have overdubbed bass on this and/or other tracks.

Various sources say various things...

Bill plays bass on 2000LYFM during the ongoing backing track session as heard on The Satanic Sessions box sets. The style and tone of the bass is the same as the bass on the released version.

Interestingly, Bill has also said that he came up with the guitar/bass intro.

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(I don't know on what basis Mathjis assigns bass to Bill for every track - and every version of Lantern).

Because the acoustic is played by Keith during the basic backing track session, which also has Bill on bass, Brian on organ, Nicky on piano, Charlie on drums.

Understood now - these are live takes without overdubs. Thanks.

I look forward to hearing it, and especially how close the bass on the Lantern early live takes (bill) is to the finished recording.

I would love to hear outtakes / demos of the Satanic album with vocals. Were they ever trialed as a full band or were vocals added later to backing tracks?

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I would love to hear outtakes / demos of the Satanic album with vocals. Were they ever trialed as a full band or were vocals added later to backing tracks?

During 1967 - 1969 the stones usually recorded basic backing tracks with Mick singing a guide vocal at the same time.

For TSMR however it seems Mick spent a lot of time up in the control room whilst the basic tracks were recorded. You can hear him singing in the background on a couple of the sessions and/or playing percussion, but he's mostly in the control room with Glyn Johns talking, when needed, to the band via the talkback mic.



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Fantastic topic and interesting read! Thanks everybody!

But...I must say this... Brian is present in the mix on Citadel where he plays flute and saxophone. He is there in the background..simple but (as always with Jones) it fits the track, He is also most likely playing brass and flute on Sing This All Together (See What Happens). During the freakout,

About Brian and the guitar... Brian's broken wrist was a mess that didn't heal and that may be a part of the explanation why his playing on Satanic Session sucks. I don't know. Compare it with his playing at RnR Circus. He takes it very easy. You guys probably knows better if he did so at the live concerts in 67 as well?

In the end his addings (the ones we know) sounds great on the release. Yes they're simple. But let's get real here. None of the Stones were Yehudi Menuhin or John Coltrane. Keith f*cked up as well at some takes. Mick wasn't always 100% live. Does it matter? No.

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As Brian left the control room, sound engineer Glyn Johns extolled the Stones musicianship.
"Brian´s incredible," he said, "did you hear that harp on the last track - he played that - just picked it up in the studio."

Glyn disliked Brian as a person. But he always respected him as a musician. Gered and Stu did so as well. That's being fair in my book.

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Fantastic topic and interesting read! Thanks everybody!

But...I must say this... Brian is present in the mix on Citadel where he plays flute and saxophone. He is there in the background..simple but (as always with Jones) it fits the track, He is also most likely playing brass and flute on Sing This All Together (See What Happens). During the freakout,

The soprano sax line on citadel is most likely Brian, the flute, who knows.

I think it's unlikely that he's play the actual brass instruments heard on STAT, it would require a whole lot of track bouncing etc for all of that to be one person. Again the flute could be anybody, no strong proof it's Brian.

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About Brian and the guitar... Brian's broken wrist was a mess that didn't heal and that may be a part of the explanation why his playing on Satanic Session sucks. I don't know. Compare it with his playing at RnR Circus. He takes it very easy. You guys probably knows better if he did so at the live concerts in 67 as well?

I think too much is made of this wrist thing, had it been that bad it would have affected his keyboard playing etc too.



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the satanic sessions are not new arent they ? I have them and I remember Keith furious saying something like "we are taking care of the guy of the studio responsible for that".

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

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His Majesty
Various sources say various things...

They do, indeed...
That´s why I really appreciate yours and Mathis´ work and comments on these sessions!

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the satanic sessions are not new arent they ? I have them and I remember Keith furious saying something like "we are taking care of the guy of the studio responsible for that".

Been out since 1997 or so.

Do you recall where you read that?

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His Majesty
I think it's unlikely that he's play the actual brass instruments heard on STAT, it would require a whole lot of track bouncing etc for all of that to be one person. Again the flute could be anybody, no strong proof it's Brian.

I stand corrected. If only someone kept info on who played what...

About Brian's broken wrist. I agree. It was just a thought. We all know that Brian had major drug issues in 67 so that certainly affected him and his playing more.

Here are some probable credits for the Satanic LP tracks.
Thanks to His Majesty, Mathis and others!


Sing This All Together

Mick – lead and backing vocals
Keith – electric guitar, backing vocals
Brian – mellotron, sax?, brass?
Charlie – drum(s), percussion
Bill – bass
Nicky – piano
some Stones and friends (possibly including John Lennon/Paul McCartney) – backing vocals, percussion
unknown (possibly including Eddie Thornton – trumpet) – sax?, brass?


Citadel

Mick – lead and backing vocals, percussion(glockenspiel?)
Keith – electric guitars, backing vocals?
Brian – soprano sax, flute?, mellotron?
Charlie – drums, percussion?
Bill – bass
Nicky – harpsichord, mellotron, piano


In Another Land

Mick – backing vocals
Keith – acoustic guitar?, backing vocals?
Charlie – drums
Bill – lead and backing vocals, bass, snoring, piano?
Nicky – harpsichord, mellotron, piano?
Steve Marriott – backing vocals, acoustic guitar?
Ronnie Lane – acoustic guitar?, backing vocals?


2000 Man

Mick – lead and backing vocals
Keith – acoustic and electric guitars, backing vocals
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass
Nicky – organ


Sing This All Together (See What Happens)

Mick – vocals
Keith – electric guitar, mellotron intro?
Brian – mellotron, flute, brass?
Charlie – drum(s), percussion
Bill – bass
Nicky – piano
some Stones and friends – voices, percussion
unknown (possibly including Eddie Thornton – trumpet) - brass?


Cosmic Christmas

Bill – oscillator
Charlie? – drum
some Stones – voices


She´s A Rainbow

Mick – lead and backing vocals, percussion
Keith – acoustic and electric guitars, backing vocals
Brian – mellotron
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass
Nicky – piano
Eddie Kramer? – percussion
unknown – strings
John Paul Jones – string arrangement


The Lantern

Mick – lead and backing vocals
Keith – acoustic and electric guitars, backing vocals?
Brian – organ, brass?
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass
Nicky – piano
unknown (possibly including Eddie Thornton – trumpet) - brass?


Gomper

Mick – vocals, percussion?
Keith – electric guitar(s)
Brian – electric dulcimer, flute
Charlie – tabla
Bill – bass
Nicky – organ


2000 Light Years From Home

Mick – lead and backing vocals, percussion
Keith – electric guitar, backing vocals
Brian – mellotron
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass, oscillator?
Nicky – piano
Eddie Kramer – percussion(claves)


On With The Show

Mick – vocals
Keith – electric guitar
Brian – mellotron, harp
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass
Nicky – piano
some Stones and friends – voices, percussion



and the single:


We Love You

Mick – lead and backing vocals
Keith – electric guitar, backing vocals
Brian – mellotron
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass
Nicky – piano
John Lennon, Paul McCartney – backing vocals


Dandelion

Mick – lead and backing vocals, percussion
Keith – acoustic guitar, backing vocals
Brian – harpsichord, soprano sax
Charlie – drums
Bill – bass
Nicky – organ?, harpsichord?

Someone please reupload box 1 disc 4 please? Prefs on megaupload.

Anyone?

Just found an interesting little comment in a 1967 Beat Instrument in which they mention that the stones were at de lane lea studios working on tracks for their forthcoming album.

Always thought that the album was mostly done at Olympic with some kind of further work taking place at bell sound in USA... Vocals final mastering?

Wonder what was recorded at de lane Lea!?

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Just found an interesting little comment in a 1967 Beat Instrument in which they mention that the stones were at de lane lea studios working on tracks for their forthcoming album.

Always thought that the album was mostly done at Olympic with some kind of further work taking place at bell sound in USA... Vocals final mastering?

Wonder what was recorded at de lane Lea!?

What month is the Beat Instrument magazine? Mid 1967 I assume.
Indeed, that's the first I've heard of them using De Lane Lea (which was located across from High Holborn tube station).

From Zentgraf: [www.nzentgraf.de]

2nd - 5th October: Olympic Sound Studios and De Lane Lea Studios. Producer: The Rolling Stones.
Sound engineer: Glyn Johns. Second engineer: Eddie Kramer.
- Blow Me Mama (MJ/KR) -3rd October, unverified
- Citadel II (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on harpsichord; Satanic Majesties-version
- The Lantern II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; Satanic Majesties-version
- Manhole Cover (MJ/KR) -3rd October; unverified
- She’s Doing Her Thing (MJ/KR) -3rd October; unverified
Additional musician: Nicky Hopkins.
Note: The recordings were done at Olympic.
De Lane Lea was used for mixing purposes.