Of course I'm terribly dissapointed that Athens was left out of the tour schedule. First, they owed us one, since they cancelled last year's gig. Secondly, this would most definitely be a sold-out show, and they'll be in the "neighborhood", so what on earth is keeping them from playing here?

I contacted our local promoter, who had undertaken last year's fiasco (total lack of information, delayed the refunds as long as they could, it took months to start giving the ticket money back!) and they said they have no idea about this year. No plans, no proposals, nothing. And we haven't heard anything else from any other promoter either.

My questions is to BV, since I've seen the rumoured July 6th date for Athens here, before the official list of dates was announced. Do we know where the July 6th date had come from? Also, are there any rumours about Athens at all? Cause there's nothing here

Maybe they'll annouce later.There is enough room.

I can understand you because the same thing happened in Poland. BTW it seems that there are more similarities:

The Rolling Stones played twice in Poland (1967, 1998)
The Rolling Stones played twice in Greece (1967, 1998)
There was a show canceled in Poland in 2006
There was a show canceled in Greece in 2006
There were rumours that the Stones would play in Poland in 2007
There were rumours that the Stones would play in Greece in 2007
Poland is not on the list.
Greece is not on the list.

My God, Franzk, I really hadn't noticed. Are our countries under some curse or something! Really...

So sad... I'm hoping both you and us get our shows. I think a look at those data is telling of how much we deserve them!

A little bump...

Any info BV?

maybe they'll put it in on july 11? that's my guess on the date for some extra show - that or zagreb...

On one hand, Sweden & Norway do both stretch 2,000 km from South to North.
Me, I live in the middle, but a trip to Göteburg/Gothenburg means 24 hours
with car if speed limits are to be followed; or 1,500 km of driving.

On the other hand its real low by the managemant not to fix gigs in
neither Greece nor Poland!

On the third hand there are plenty of price-worthy gigs (tic-,
fare-wise) in Central Europe.

Totally other issue: Anyone for Kiev BTW?

Greece, Poland, Croatia, Iceland. They probably did not get a good deal with promoters in these countries, but if they manage to do these four also into the 2007 schedule then there would be 100% satisfaction in Europe. Unfortunately I don't think there is much space for more shows on this tour schedule. PS. If you had the Stones in your country last year then there is nothing to complain about...

Bjornulf

bv Wrote:
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> Unfortunately I don't think there is much space for more shows on this tour schedule.

I agree. But there is that July 11-12 gap which could work for either Zagreb or Athens. Personally, I think Zagreb is less likely since they have already booked two big shows on the Balkan.
I hope Athens would get a show.

Hope for Athens too.
But, still, I believe the discussion tends to be too nation state-focused.
Today, with a more & more limitless Europe, we also have to look at distances.
But also with that perspective, Greece & Poland is left behind.
But you have to look at reality, like BV says; the deals sets the schedule.

Any Polish fans (or Greek); I could meet up with ya at the Stockholm harbour
for further travel to Finland about July 31. Please note!!

There is Livenation in Poland. The worldwide promotor right? They were promoting last year's concert. I don't think it is because they coudn't give The Stones a good deal. The thing is they did not want to. Too much happening this year and they have other shows to sell in Poland. I think they might be actually struggling to do that.

The Montenegro show is actually very close to Croatia/Dubrovnik. I am sure they will look at ticket sales to see where they add the remaining date slots they have available.

See Montenegro map with Budva:



Bjornulf



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Hi Baboon. I don't think I could make it to Helsinki. Too much stuff to do at work at the end of the month and I would love to go to Budapest and Brno but I'm thinking about Oslo. There are cheap flights from where I live and the concert ticket price seems to be fair too.
I'm only worrying about general prices in Norway. Very high, right?

There are two big gaps in July. one of them is probably for resting but the other one will be filled with a show probably. Which show, that is the question?

bv Wrote:
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> Greece, Poland, Croatia, Iceland. They probably
> did not get a good deal with promoters in these
> countries,

Well, there was a lot of talk of Stones show in Chorzow. Long time ago as well as week ago on the radio. The management of Slaski Stadium even confirmed the show is set to happen and the date will be revelaed later. But later they started to fix other groups - Genesis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers and probably this is why there is no show. Unless they do it somewhere else which I doubt.

The Zagreb show would be organized by the Austrian promoter, in the news here it still says that they will play Zagreb. We will see... I hate that that place in Montenegro is so hard to reach would love to go there.


Belgrade-Bucharest-Budapest-Brno

I think there is room for one more show in that time slot. Athens or Zagreb. They are probably still bidding. Or they have put this on hoøld until the Montenegro show is sold. Then they see how popular the Stones are in that bregion, and where the ticket buyers are hottest, "south" or "north" of Budva.

Generally they have one break of onme week per month. They don't ad shows into those breaks. This is resting breaks, where both the band and the crew is supposede to have rest. Touring is tough, especially for the crew. They change cities 2-3 times per week, truck south to north and east to west, and these breaks will not be touched unless there is a cancellation that need an urgent rescheduling.

Bjornulf

PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> bv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Greece, Poland, Croatia, Iceland. They probably
> > did not get a good deal with promoters in these
> > countries,
>
> Well, there was a lot of talk of Stones show in
> Chorzow. Long time ago as well as week ago on the
> radio. The management of Slaski Stadium even
> confirmed the show is set to happen and the date
> will be revelaed later. But later they started to
> fix other groups - Genesis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers
> and probably this is why there is no show. Unless
> they do it somewhere else which I doubt.


Sorry they're not playing Poland this year, Piotr. But I suppose you still have the signed setlist Keith gave you...?

There is a security issue with Athens and I'm sure the Stones organization would be aware of all this. The local promoters may be able to scure the concert, but then it might be cost prohibitive. There may simply be more money to be made elsewhere at the moment.

I'm not slagging Athens. I personally like the city and the people and have found most of Greece to be very welcoming. However, there is a bif difference between me arriving with my family and the Stones rolling into town.

I do, however, hope cities that have not hosted the Stones get a chance to do so and I know the Stones like Greece and the folks there would certainly love to attend a concert.

Lumi wrote:

"I contacted our local promoter, who had undertaken last year's fiasco (total lack of information, delayed the refunds as long as they could, it took months to start giving the ticket money back!) and they said they have no idea about this year."

That's why Athens was left out of the tour schedule, Lumi. These ameteurs of "Di Di Music" know that people are still angry with them. Noone trust them, anymore. God, 50,000 buyers last summer said "stop messing me about and give all the money you owe me...". Everyone thinks "in a borderline case of another cancellation, i don't want to have the same troubles". Unfortunately, for various reasons the local promoter of 1998 gig doesn't undertake the job.


Lord Sinclair wrote:

(A) "There is a security issue with Athens and I'm sure the Stones organization would be aware of all this."

What exactly do you mean? Please, explain...

( "However, there is a bif difference between me arriving with my family and the Stones rolling into town."

What the hell are you talking about? Do you mean something like "terrorism threat"?? Oh, don't worry. There is a huge difference between the Stones rolling into town and G. Bush arriving with his escort- if you mean something like that. We love the Stones...

For crying out loud, Lord Sinclair, do you even know anything about Greece?!
There's no security question AT ALL. Athens is as safe as you can get. Much safer than London, mind you!

BV, they didn't play Greece last year so I guess I have a right to complaint They were scheduled to and then Keith fell off the tree, so... In fact they've only placed twice, once in 1967 and one in 1998. 1998 was amazing! It's absolutely certain they'd get a sell-out if they played this time around as well. I'm sure it has to do with the ridiculous companies here not making the right deals.

But then again, they owe us God dammit. Us and Poland too.

I traveled last year to see them. Traveled in 2003 too. I don't think it's such a big demand to actually want to see them play in my country another time! And ESPECIALLY since they were scheduled to do so last year and they said they were making this tour PARTICULARLY for the cities that were left out due to Keith's accident.

bv Wrote:
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> Greece, Poland, Croatia, Iceland. They probably
> did not get a good deal with promoters in these
> countries, but if they manage to do these four
> also into the 2007 schedule then there would be
> 100% satisfaction in Europe. Unfortunately I don't
> think there is much space for more shows on this
> tour schedule.

No space ???..why ?..they still have last week of august and whole september to play more gigs...I mean THE POLICE is performing stadium gigs from september to October in europe...who tells the Stones that the tour has to end in august ?...or do they have to go back to US in september again ??

Adams Wrote:
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> Hi Baboon. I don't think I could make it to
> Helsinki.----
> I'm only worrying about general prices in Norway.
> Very high, right?
¨
Right, and thats why Helsinki is an easy option for me.
Norweigan prices is just ridicuolous; dont think no country comes near.

Sorry, maybe I miscounted the ticket price. Is it 120 or 240 Euro.The second one is a bit too much. The first one seemed alright but something didn't seem right

Anyway; I'm gonna count on a travel Stockholm-Helsinki Return-ticket-wise,
then I'm gonna post what I figured here.

When they move into the O2 in London the stadium tour is over. They are scaling down the tour and they might play Egils Hall (arena) in Reykjavik but not more stadium shows because the trucks and all the stages are put to rest. That is how they do it on all tours, unless they have to reshdeule because of delays etc.

Bjornulf

bv Wrote:
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> I think there is room for one more show in that
> time slot. Athens or Zagreb. They are probably
> still bidding. Or they have put this on hoøld
> until the Montenegro show is sold. Then they see
> how popular the Stones are in that bregion, and
> where the ticket buyers are hottest, "south" or
> "north" of Budva.
>
> Generally they have one break of onme week per
> month. They don't ad shows into those breaks. This
> is resting breaks, where both the band and the
> crew is supposede to have rest. Touring is tough,
> especially for the crew. They change cities 2-3
> times per week, truck south to north and east to
> west, and these breaks will not be touched unless
> there is a cancellation that need an urgent
> rescheduling.



Thats pretty much it. I think Montenegro have basically got the show that would have otherwise probably taken place in Zagreb. If theres an extra show 11 or 12 July, Athens makes most sense logistically. The period prior to the Rome show is quite obviously one of their monthly "breaks" so its a bit strange that less than a week after that they appear to be taking another four day break.

salar Wrote:
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>> No space ???..why ?..they still have last week of
> august and whole september to play more gigs...I
> mean THE POLICE is performing stadium gigs from
> september to October in europe...who tells the
> Stones that the tour has to end in august ?...or
> do they have to go back to US in september again
> ??

No, but maybe certain band members have other commitments, so its the Stones themselves who decide when the tour 'ends'

Lumi wrote:

(A) "It's absolutely certain they'd get a sell-out if they played this time around as well. I'm sure it has to do with the ridiculous companies here not making the right deals."

Hmmm... Lumi, here in Greece, only one company has good "tradition" with the biggest events: "Neo Revma". Pink Floyd 1989, Guns and Roses 1993 (OK, then were only 10,000 people in the Olympic Stadium, but the band was one of the most famous in the world), U2 1997, Rolling Stones 1998, etc. But now, as for the Stones, "Neo Revma" is inactive. I don't know why.

( "I traveled last year to see them. Traveled in 2003 too."

Me too. Four shows in 2003, four shows last year. And now i dust my passport again! I suppose you do the same...

Stickydion, hard for me to travel this year I don't know what the feeling of despair will make me do if indeed they don't play Athens but for the time being, it's difficult. Which cities are on your plan?

You're right about Neo Revma. I was thinking the same thing, why on earth have they stopped? If they were still active, we'd be on the list now for sure. Leave it to amateurs, and that's what you get...