From the Jeff Beck Group to the Faces to Rod solo to the Stones and his own solo work,he is the man,after all of the moaning about Ronnie,I see a new respect for the man. Thanks for seeing the light.
I've always thought he's written alot better songs than jager/richards during the last 20 years...more soul to them. I mean "Slide on This" is a masterpiece to me anyways. Hope All IS Well.
...I've always been a huge fan of "Mr. Ronald Wood" (Rod Stewart introducing him on the album Live, Coast to Coast....not the greatest live album, but some great moments!)
For me the Faces Love Lives Here,Glad and Sorry,Debris,and Tell Everyone has some of the prettiest guitar playing ever,so melodic and souful,I see why the Stones wanted him, PS, Too Bad,PoolHall Richard,My Fault,and Had Me a Real Good Time kicks F%$#$%G A#$ Rock on Ronnie!!
Let's not get too carried away here guys. Yeah Ronnie's playing much better lately, and his best work was with the Faces, but give me one Stones song that will go down in history with people saying: yeah that signature Lead or whatever was: RONNIE..
Mick Taylor on the other hand has: SWAY, 2nd Lead on SFTD - Ya's Ya's
Time Waits for No One, Hide Your Love, etc etc.!!!!!
Sorry- the the Stones will ALWAYS be at their BEST from 1969 thru 1975!!!
Why does every thread on Ronnie have to turn into a comparison to Mick T? Isn't it possible to talk about Ronnie without that comparison? It's fine to think one is better than the other, but you don't have to knock the other everytime there is a post about him. And that goes for both of them, not just Ronnie.
That said, I think Ronnie is a great guitar player and have really enjoyed his work. I really like "I've Got My Own Album To Do" especially "I Can Fell The Fire"
MCDDTLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Let's not get too carried away here guys. Yeah > Ronnie's playing much better lately, and his best > work was with the Faces, but give me one Stones > song that > will go down in history with people saying: yeah > that signature Lead or whatever > was: RONNIE..
some live versions of YCAGWYW (thinking about 75), Black Limousine (live 81), Undercover of The Night, Crazy Mama, Hand Of Fate, All Down The Line (live versions 1975-2006) and others. Those songs, give me that feeling "listen to that man! Ronnie!" Edit: I forgot...Dance Dance Little Sister Dance and Crackin' Up from EL Mocambo!
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Erik - you really think that when those songs are played, all the educated Stones fans are going to instantly say: Oh, that's Ronnie, nobody could play like he did on that song, he was so original.... Come on... we;re not just talking about you here, ALL the Old Stones fans feel this way about Taylor's playing. Just read the comments... His leads in Gimme Shelter, live from Wembley 1973 Philly 1972, etc. that playing propelled Bootleg sales into big bucks!!
Name me some Stones boots after 1975 that sold in big numbers??
Not knocking the guy Cali Stones Fan, but put it this way
A Ford Mustang is a Ford Mustang, it's never gonna drive & feel like a FERRARI - get my meaning...
Well, in my opinion, if everytime someone says something positive about Ronnie you have to say that Mick T is better, that is just like saying Ronnie isn't good enough, which is knocking him. Again, if that's your opinion, cool, but do you have to bring it up at every discusion of Ronnie? If it's Ronnie vs Taylor, cool, but this wasn't.
Cali, Unfortunely for Ronnie there will always be comparisons between them as Ronnie replaced Taylor as Lead guitarist in the band. Thats Ronnie's fate, altough after 1978 it was more of a "weaving" guitar setup with him & Keith as Keith became more involved around that time, (came out of his drug stupor to a point)
It's one thing to say something positive, it's another to go overboard and imply that the Stones never sounded better, few guitarts in his league, etc.
Sorry, but Ronnie will never be mentioned in the league of British BEST's..
Peter Green, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Mick Taylor, Alvin Lee, Richie Blackmore, Gary Moore, Mark Knopfler, Although American - Jimi Hendrix etc.
To me he's in that 2nd tier, not bad company to be in IMO!!!
Peter Frampton, David Gilmore, Ronnie, Robin Trower, Tony Iomi, Rory Gallager, Keith, etc...
MCDDTLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Erik - you really think that when those songs are > played, all the educated > Stones fans are going to instantly say: Oh, that's > Ronnie, nobody could play like he did on that > song, he was so original.... Come on... we;re > not just > talking about you here, ALL the Old Stones fans > feel this way about Taylor's playing. Just read > the comments... His leads in Gimme Shelter, live > from Wembley > 1973 Philly 1972, etc. that playing propelled > Bootleg sales into big bucks!!
First of all, we can't enjoy Taylor anymore, apart from on CD or vinyl. The guy hasn't been with the Stones in 32 years! And of course, that golden age 69-73 were maybe the best Stones ever, of course I love Taylor's playing in those years. But I love Ronnie's playing too. What you're saying is that "whiskey is so-o-o-o good, that cognac SUCKS" (= absurd). That's a much more suitable way of putting it, than the Ferrari-Ford Mustang thing. Because there isn't any "winner" in R&R, it's just different tastes at different times.
> Name me some Stones boots after 1975 that sold in > big numbers??
I really don't have the figures of those things, but I suspect Hampton 81, AC 89, Miami 94, Paris sessions 77-79, Knebworth 76, LA 75 to have been sold just as much as...well not as much as Live'r or Brussels, but most other Tatylor boots. But it's a very wierd discussion.
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Erik - No I'm not saying Taylor's great, Ronnie sucks!!
It's just my observation that the Stones are trying to diminish Taylor's contributions and Bill's too for that matter and I want people to know about the music & musician that produced it!!
Hey - if someone handed me the keys to a Mustang, Id drive away happy as a clam! but if they gave me a choice between a Mustang and a Ferrari.....
And trush me, no Stones boot's sold like the ones during 1969 - 1973!!!!
Alot of bootleggers made their fortunes during those times, I knew a few..
does *this* thread have to be the forum for yet another stint of comparisons (and of mistaking one's personal tastes for Objective Truth)? it's pretty clearly labelled as a thread for people who come to appreciate Ronnie, not to dis him.
and thanks, Erik, for saying that so well - i think most people can appreciate one musician without disappreciating another.
does anyone who's good at talking about playing feel like giving a "guided tour" of what goes into Ronnie's distinctive style? i've been craving something like that for the longest time - not being able to find words for what i'm hearing pains me.
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MCDDTLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Erik - No I'm not saying Taylor's great, Ronnie > sucks!!
Well, I see that wasn't a good expression I used, you didn't say "suck". But point is that Taylor vs. Wood is a matter of different feelings at different times, it's not like that one of them is "THE best", while the other one falls in behind. I couldn't imagine Taylor doing a good job in 78, within the Stones, if he was around. It wouldn't fit the Stones' style in 78, for example (and 78 is one of their best live years, most of us thinks). Not only 78...most stuff they've done afterwards wouldn't have space for a Taylor. And we all know that Stones would never have lasted without Ronnie stepping in...the life with Taylor sucked for Keith. I think it's very very understandable to praise Taylor's work in those 69-74 years...but it's just as understandable to praise the years that followed, with Woody. One doesn't leave out the other.
Lets not get into who the best guitarist is in the Stones extended family,I was fortunate enough to see Mick Taylor play with them in the 70's and I have been very fortunte to see Ronnie Wood play with them on many occasions since,I was also priveledged to see Ronnie with the Faces at a Collage gig just as Stewart was getting his solo hits,Rod had a bad throat but sang anyway but Ronnie was brilliant.I have most if not all of his stuff from Birds to Far east/west man. I guess this makes me an appreciator
you all must be @#$%& nuts woody is the bomb coolest what have you he has jammed with hendrix to prince not to mention his own work imagine him not in the stones he is agreat song writer he is an individal the stones is just a free ride when i spoke to marc ford of the black crowes he said wood is the most down to earth lovable guy you had ever met
Ronnie is the man. I'm still pissed off that almost every show they have him at half of Keith's volume in the PA mix. This makes the band sound really weak on numbers like ONNYA. If anything Ronnie should be the loudest one on stage for numbers like that!!
with sssoul is right - hear what our good Erik_Snow says. Some appreciate what they hear NOW for what it is NOW. But they still also appreciate what WAS then for what it WAS then. It doesn't mean that either is BETTER than the other. Just different "betters". Appreciate MT for what he contributed but don't let it diminish enjoyment of Ronnie NOW, which is simply unfair. Ronnie is really really shining now and coming very far far into his own. He's Ronnie. He's not MT. WHY on earth would anyone want him to play as if he is? Comparisons are really not right. And for the record, I am no doubt one of the oldest fans here in both senses.