First of all I'm the least arrogant man you'll ever meet. Did you know that in 1969 they only did 14 songs, and did you know that people complained over very high ticket prices back then? It's been like this for a long time. I bet that if you were as old as them and had to do a show in the freezing cold, you'd feel exactly like them. It's too easy to be sitting in your warm and cosy home bitching about something like this. THAT's arrogant I think.

JumpingKentFlash

1969 is not "recent decades" I was talking about. tickets prices went up all the time thats natural, but: the biggest bang in ticket prices was the Licks and then ABB tour, and now on ABB they slip down the number of songs gradually. Chicago was a low point and we have to see if in further shows where it it not so cold they will play again more songs, and if they dont, then your "its been cold out there" argument for low number of songs will proof out a bit like an ridiculous excuse.

first of all at last: if one is arrogant or not is up for other people to decide, not for oneself.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-10-15 13:22 by alimente.

alimente Wrote:
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> 1969 is not "recent decades" I was talking about.
> tickets prices went up all the time thats natural,
> but: the biggest bang in ticket prices was the
> Licks and then ABB tour, and now on ABB they slip
> down the number of songs gradually. Chicago was a
> low point and we have to see if in further shows
> where it it not so cold they will play again more
> songs, and if they dont, then your "its been cold
> out there" argument for low number of songs will
> proof out a bit like an ridiculous excuse.
>
> first of all at last: if one is arrogant or not is
> up for other people to decide, not for oneself.


Were you in Chicago to see the show?

JumpingKentFlash

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> alimente Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1969 is not "recent decades" I was talking
> about.
> > tickets prices went up all the time thats
> natural,
> > but: the biggest bang in ticket prices was the
> > Licks and then ABB tour, and now on ABB they
> slip
> > down the number of songs gradually. Chicago was
> a
> > low point and we have to see if in further
> shows
> > where it it not so cold they will play again
> more
> > songs, and if they dont, then your "its been
> cold
> > out there" argument for low number of songs
> will
> > proof out a bit like an ridiculous excuse.
> >
> > first of all at last: if one is arrogant or not
> is
> > up for other people to decide, not for oneself.
>
>
> Were you in Chicago to see the show?

ah, I see, after "when youre not satisfied dont go" now this "if you did not go you have no right to complain" argument, clever, was reading it many times on this board to shut people up. thats killer arguments to avoid serious discussion.

alimente Wrote:
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> ah, I see, after "when youre not satisfied dont
> go" now this "if you did not go you have no right
> to complain" argument, clever, was reading it many
> times on this board to shut people up. thats
> killer arguments to avoid serious discussion.


Of course. And you know why? Because it's valid!!! That's why. If you don't like it, don't go, and don't complain if you didn't see it. It's a simple rule that should be followed by all I think. Would you go to a Coldplay concert if you don't like it? No. Would you judge it when you haven't the slightest idea of what they're like? No.

BTW I don't wanna argue like this.

JumpingKentFlash

btw I have seen them 11 times on this tour and it costed me a lot of money and sometimes I have thought that although the shows were great is it worth that money, actually when you see all this surrounding bullshit like ridiculous t-shirt prices or for other merchandise one tends to think that this is just a big money machine. but then you think I liked the show so it is ok with me as long as I can afford the money even if it is hard sometimes. but lesser songs is just another turn in the wrong direction I believe. and how many more turns in the wrong direction can one take until one really finally decides "ok thats enough, always will love your music, but I wont go anymore".

A very silent Sunday...but ladies and gents, here we our own .... cage mud-fight...tickets are fo free!!!

alimente Wrote:
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> btw I have seen them 11 times on this tour and it
> costed me a lot of money and sometimes I have
> thought that although the shows were great is it
> worth that money, actually when you see all this
> surrounding bullshit like ridiculous t-shirt
> prices or for other merchandise one tends to think
> that this is just a big money machine. but then
> you think I liked the show so it is ok with me as
> long as I can afford the money even if it is hard
> sometimes. but lesser songs is just another turn
> in the wrong direction I believe. and how many
> more turns in the wrong direction can one take
> until one really finally decides "ok thats enough,
> always will love your music, but I wont go
> anymore".


If they did 10 songs I'd still go. You're forgetting how long they jam on. I couldn't give a rat's ass if they do 40 or 5 songs. They're aiming at 2 hours, and if they did 5 songs that all jammed on for 2 hours, I'd still go with the prices of today.

JumpingKentFlash

Me too.
A 20 minute Rambler and CYHMK would be a good start ;^)

ok, anybody out there with a higher bid? what about a two hour jam on one song only for the same price as today?

R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S !!!

alimente Wrote:
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> ok, anybody out there with a higher bid? what
> about a two hour jam on one song only for the same
> price as today?
>
> R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S !!!


I'm only in it for the music and for the quality of it. You're in for the quantity it seems. That's ridicoulus.

JumpingKentFlash

Alimente has every right to complain if he wants too!
We have been through the ticketprice and setlist discussion over and over on this board. But I can imagine if someone paid a lot of money (11 shows, not 1!) I can understand someone is disappointed with a "short" setlist.

Everybody calm down-its Sunday morning. Go play with your kids or something.

This is not worth getting worked up about-trust me.

Montrealsuperfan Wrote:
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> This is not worth getting worked up about-trust
> me.


That's what I'm trying to tell this character.

JumpingKentFlash

First of all,I'm glad they played She Was Hot.I consider this a turn in the right direction.Time will tell how long it lasts and if it and/or songs like it become part of the regular rotation.

Secondly,the two hour target was the excuse when they dropped from 21 songs to 20 and the quality is not any better or any worse than it was in 2005.People insinuate that the quality somehow goes up each time they trim the set list down,which it doesn't.

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> Montrealsuperfan Wrote:
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> > This is not worth getting worked up about-trust
> > me.
>
>
> That's what I'm trying to tell this character.


yes and you arrogant 'character' try to put everyone down who dares to criticize the band by getting personal and come up with stereotype arguments to kill any discussion. you are a blind follower. thats fine, to each their own, but please accept that there are people out there who dont piss in their pants for each and every decision the band makes.

alimente Wrote:
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> yes and you arrogant 'character' try to put
> everyone down who dares to criticize the band by
> getting personal and come up with stereotype
> arguments to kill any discussion. you are a blind
> follower. thats fine, to each their own, but
> please accept that there are people out there who
> dont piss in their pants for each and every
> decision the band makes.


I'm a BLIND FOLLOWER!?!?!?! WHAT!!!! I wish you could see me laughing. It's amazing how you time and again can pin point the things I am not. You say that one should be respected for an opinion. I completely agree. But for you to say that I criticize everybody who don't have the same opinion as me is just laughable. I didn't mean anything by calling you a "character" than to show that I don't really know who you are. You tell me that I come up with stereotype arguments to kill a discussion? So that's what I am, while you get to bash me with a jerk statement like that? @#$%& that shit.




Theif: I'm not sure if the quality went up or down. A two hour show with an extra long jam sounds good to me, although I know it probably was cut a bit short due to the cold.

JumpingKentFlash

"It's amazing how you time and again can pin point the things I am not."

am not? or better "the things I claim to be not but actually am".

alimente Wrote:
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> am not? or better "the things I claim to be not
> but actually am".


I can't be personal, but you can. Oh yes, I see your argument.....

JumpingKentFlash

Can you two stop now!!There is no mud in the waters anymore!!I fuc-ing love the fact they did ''hot'' !!!

now boys, let me settle this. Chicago was an awesome show. Quality over quantity

I think that song is way better than Undercover.
Makes me wonder why it wasn't the 1st single from the LP.

My Stones cover band from the mid nineties did it!

rooster Wrote:
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> Can you two stop now!

If you say so. :-)

JumpingKentFlash

You people are behaving in a childish and silly manner. Chicago was an incredible show and I'm guessing the vociferous "they only played eighteen songs" bashers are, in actuality, jealous they weren't there.

Let's make note of the songs that were dropped:

1. "Nightime Is The Right Time" or, on occasion that Otis Redding song or Marley's "Get Up Stand Up" NONE of which are Stones songs and are only enjoyable as long as the novely lasts AND:

2. "You Can't Always Get What You Want" which has been an overplayed buzzkill for decades. Personally, I didn't miss either of them. Their absence is what kept the show rolling at full tilt.

I bet Chicago was incredible.

JumpingKentFlash

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> I bet Chicago was incredible.


Yes, it was incredible! Of the 37 I've seen since 1978, it was easily in the top 10, maybe the top 5. I know...because I was there!

'brothers! sisters! who's fighting and what for? why are we fighting?'

one band, many fans, different opinions = to each their own

alimente Wrote:
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> 'brothers! sisters! who's fighting and what for?
> why are we fighting?'
>
> one band, many fans, different opinions = to each
> their own


yeah, but your opinion makes no sense. YOU WEREN'T THERE!

Stop it you two. :-D

JumpingKentFlash

J.J.Flash Wrote:
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> alimente Wrote:
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> > 'brothers! sisters! who's fighting and what
> for?
> > why are we fighting?'
> >
> > one band, many fans, different opinions = to
> each
> > their own
>
>
> yeah, but your opinion makes no sense. YOU WEREN'T
> THERE!



aaaaaaaaaaaaah, and you are missta know-it-all who decides which opinions make sense, right? pleased to meet you!