Listen to their new California song and then listen to "Last Dance With Mary Jane" by Tom Petty.

There's a vague similarity in some of the rhythm especially early. The refrains are totally different. The Petty refrain is contained with the basic rhythm of the song whereas the RHCP refrain is a complete explosion and the hallmark of the song.

Petty sounds alot more like Bob Dylan on this song (especially with the harmonica), than he does like the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

Of course Petty sounds different and there are other differences but,the structure of the two songs is very similar with the rhyming style and like you said,the rhythm.

yeah and Tom Petty's "Mary Jane" is just a variation of the Jayhawks "Waiting For The Sun" from 1992 it's a very common chord progression

There's also a song on the new Chili Peppers CD where the music reminds me a lot of that Outkast song Hey Ya. I'll have to go back and figure out which one that is.

x



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-09 03:13 by Beelyboy.

mary jane is a slower tempo, chorus is different and the bridge in dani is non existent in mary jane. this is silly. let's compare every song that has the same chords and melody as sweet jane or any song that uses a 12 bar blues rhythm. artists cop riffs and chords all the time. there is no rip off here. ripping off i think would be if they actually sampled the damn song. musician's "rip off" each other all the time. songs can sound similar yet have a completely different feel as is the case here.

Tom Petty is a ripoff himself.
Almost every song he has ever written can be compared to great siongs by other bands.
He imagines himself to be on the same level as Dylan,
but in reality he is worse than Bruce Springsteen.


I'm sure the Peppers are insulted by the comparison.
They probabaly never heard that TP crap to begin with.

x



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-09 03:12 by Beelyboy.

chilli's and tom petty had the same producer

tom petty rocks'n'rolls!

i'm not sure how people can put petty down...

petty and the hearbreakers even backed up johnny cash on the unchained album!

you mean descreation smile or she looks to me take your pick,i was surprised that John F would have similiar rhythm patterns on these two songs and in addition sounds like outcast

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> i can't believe we'd even be discussing a group
> with songwriters like dylan, harrison and the
> amazing roy orbison who thought petty a good
> collaborator on gits, writing, lead and wonderful
> harmony singing...
> ...with the peppers...

With all due respect to the "amazing" roy orbison and tom petty, who I would never offer any detraction from their body of work, you find it so easy to dismiss the Red Hot Chili Peppers who have been writing extremely unique music for over TWENTY FIVE YEARS...

Now, maybe you don't like their stuff, although I can't imagine even a "basic" Stones fanatic not loving full-tilt rockers like backwoods, Johnny Kick a Hole in the Sky, Readymade, Torture Me, Coffee Shop, ,etc...

you insist on calling this now-legendary band "mtv poseurs" because you saw them on Saturday Night Live once... interesting that you have at your disposal the entire film footage of Rock in Rio shot one week ago in Portugal in front of 70,000 fans, several of whom have posted on this board, but you insist on referring to an SNL performance shot on a matchbook stage.


> jeeze.
> (tho i do love that peppa drummer chad)

If you like Chad Smith as drummer, I'm curious what you think of his partner on the rhythm section, Flea.

>
> 60 to 70 OT or surrepriously NOT branded "OT"
> pepper posts from just ONE frothing fan in the
> last month...

If you count only ONE Chili Peppers fan on this board you need some help with remedial arithmetic.

> on at least 8, probably more, different
> threads...about basically the same thing...

8 threads ? Exaggerating again ? Who's getting frothy ? There are a couple threads about the fact that Stadium Arcadium is a world-wide best selling album AND a thread about last weeks headlining of the huge Rock in Rio concert. Two very different subjects. Painful, perhaps, to a Chili Peppers hater who saw them on Saturday Night Live once.

what point it's a 'rip' or not, i dunno...
> for me impossible to tell with the peppers, where
> everything seems like a rip.
> that's just me personally...


Well, since you think EVERYTHING written by the Red Hot Chili Peppers is a rip-off of someone else's work, then please tell me which songs the following "rip-offs" were based on: (you can just fill in the blank since you tell us that every great RHCP song is just a rip off of some "greater" songwriters....

1) Californication.... is actually a rip of of ___________
2) Parallel Universe is actually a rip off of_________
3) Give it Away is a rip off of _________
4) 21st Century is a rip off of _______________
5) Backwoods is a rip off of __________________
6) Around the World is a Rip off of ________________
7) Coffee Shop is a Rip off of _________________
8) Power of Equality is a Rip off of _____________
9) Under the Bridge is a rip off of ___________________
10) Savior is a rip off of __________________
11) Venice Queen is a rip off of ______________
12) By the Way is a rip off of _______________
13) Otherside is a rip off of _____________
14) Wet Sand is a rip off of ______________
15) Hey is a rip off of ________________
16) On Mercury is a rip off of _______________
17) Don't Forget Me is a rip off of _______________
18) Deep Kick is a rip off of _________________
19) Knock Me Down is a rip off of ____________
20) Soul to Squeeze is a rip off of ________________
21) Organic Anti-Beat Box Band is a rip off of _____________
22) Slow Cheetah is a rip off of ___________
23) We Believe is a rip off of _________________
24) If is a rip off of ____________________
25) Torture Me is a rip off of ____________
27) Warlocks (the last song Billy Preston played on) is a rip off of ________
28) Storm in a Teacup is a rip off of _______________
29) Turn it Again is a rip off of __________________
30) Scar Tissue is a rip off of _______________
31) Breaking the Girl is a rip off of _________________
32) Me and My Friends is a rip off of _____________
33) Road Trippin' is a rip off of ______________
34) This Velvet Glove is a rip off of _______________
35) Naked in the Rain is a rip off of _______________
36) Throw Away Your Television is a rip off of __________
37) Tear is a rip off of ________________
38) Dosed is a rip off of _____________
39) The Zephyr Song is a rip off of ______________
40) Midnight is a rip off of ____________________
41) Warm Tape is a rip off of ________________
42) Jungleman is a rip off of ______________
43) Easily is a rip off of _____________
44) Walkabout is a rip off of ______________
45) Shallow Be Thy Game is a rip off of ______________
46) Taste the Pain is a rip off of ______________
47) Transcending is a rip off of _________________
48) Johnny Kick a Hole in the Sky is a rip off of _________________
49) True Men Don't Kill Coyotes is a rip off of _______________
50) Grand Pappy Du Plenty is a rip off of _______________

Since as you claim "EVERYTHING SEEMS LIKE A RIP OFF", you'll be able to easily identify the songs that you feel all the above monster hits are ripped off from...

And that's the purpose of the boards, to share musical wisdom, and I'm sure I speak for alot of people that we look forward to your providing your list of "Everything is a rip off", simply cut and paste the 50 songs above and tell us which song each is ripped off from.

>
> i still thought enough of the fans and the forum
> to post a heads up when they were gonna be on
> SNL...but got slammed anyway...cause i could not
> honestly agree with frothing, arrogant, endless
> 'empircal evidence' which proved nothing at all.
> except this bloke is ga ga for this group.

Who slammed you ? are you that sensitive ? you certainly don't seem to spare your slams, calling this "bloke" (i assume that's me) "frothing, arrogant, endless... proving nothing, 'ga-ga'"... you don't hold back your slams....


>
> i freely admit that some of the posts making
> earnest comparions with cream, hendrix, beatboys
> and others...seemed liked snicker time to
> me...'this amazingly absolutely unique in the
> history of...' kinda posts...
>
> i understand excitement and passion and respect
> it...and fandom...
> and do love OT topix often...we've talked of so
> many great and intersting artists here, and hey
> they might connect to other artists etc...just in
> the last several weeks...really bouncing shinging
> threads...

In case you haven't noticed, there hasn't been much to post regarding the Stones over the past few weeks... and hard-core Stones fans are fond of other bands, just as you're fond of the amazing Roy Orbison, George Harrison, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty and the other artists you mention....




>
> so 'live and let live' i decided...
> better somebody post than feel constrained...
> regardless of manner...
> they'll never make a saint out of me either.
> and i'm just a member...probably beelybanned 4 all
> i know...
> i do have a sick sense of humor and a filthy
> mind.
>
> i just continued to enjoy iorr...
> but did see the dozens and dozens of OT posts
> about this ONE act...

NOW we're up to "dozens and dozens" of OT's on the Chili Peppers ...


> now... these news stories about them possibly
> being ripoffs...in regard
> to this one song...(and the mp3 comparison linked
> in above post IS kinda fun and interesting to
> hear)...
>
> but as far as 'ripoff'
> and with honest respect for the legions who love
> 'em and disagree with this...
> many of which long-time personal friends...
> ripoff?
> well, that's their whole career...

Okay, that's their whole career, now Beelyboy, you just have to do one simple thing... provide the list of songs from which the 50 listed above, from a career spanning 25 years, has been ripped off...

You're very confident of your ability to provide the list, so we'll look forward to it.

>
> flea is now whining about fans downloading the
> album...
> because he cares so much about the painstaking
> aural fidelity 'quality'...supposedly...
>
> this is disappointing, because he started a cool
> music school in silverlake, for kids mostly, even
> poor kids...
> and seems such a wonderful caring person...

Flea wrote one e-mail regarding this. You would think you could find something else in his accomplishments. If YOU were just ready to release an album you'd worked over a year on, and it found it's way to the internet prior to the release date, would you be thrilled ?


>
> then i'm thinking he's like another metallica
> zillionaire whiner,
> dissing file-sharing...
> which is how a lot of people who can't buy ten or
> so (one ONE or two, new cds a month, to try to
> keep current with their musical lifeblood...)
> can be connected...

Okay, so you're knocking him, or the music, or .....


>
> they still sold well that first week or so...and
> boy it was appropriate to acknowledge
> that...absolutely...but then, the never ending
> onslaught...
> tho the Dixie Chicks kicked their asses from 1st
> to 5th and did hugely better sales wise...in their
> debut opening week...as do many other artists who
> do better numbers...as long as the pepper "sales"
> thread was heralded like the second coming, i
> thought some perspective in order, but could
> appreciate the relevance of a thread...except they
> are littered all over the place, front and back of
> that...

Probably, Beely boy, the best measure will be the ALBUM AND THE TOUR... see how you talk about this tour in a year...

Do you think the RHCP will be one of the largest grossing tours this year ? Might that have something to do with the success of the album ? Are you saying that Stadium Arcadium has poor sales ?

... what's your point ??

>
> but at what exact point does an occasional OT
> thread of interest, become a promo outlet for one
> froth-meister fanatic (and of course, several
> honest pepper fans who pipe on readily, but aren't
> running this like a political campagign)...

Hey, probably one of the biggest tours of the next couple years just took off, following what alot of people think is a phenomenal album... given the rest of what's going on in music... it's not difficult to get excited about...

Just look how excited you've gotten in the other direction with your diatribe...

WHICH raises the interesting question, if you don't like Stadium Arcadium and the RHCP Tour, which Album and Which Tour are you fanatical about these days ??

Looking forward to your long list.

>
> ...for one OT band, any band...even one that most
> would find historically interesting or emotionally
> moving...as many peppers fans feel about 'em...
> and as many rock fans do not.

The RHCP is "rock" music to the bone. As rock as any other band. Do you think Chad Smith is a "rocking" drummer" what about Flea on Bass ?? What about John Frusciante on lead guitar... they can't "rock" in your book ??

I'd suggest you play the Rock in Rio tape before answering that. And take a look at the crowd... would you say those 70,000 people are "rocking" ??

>
> ain't that called trollery and hijacking...?
> if not, why not?
> i could write a hundred posts on just the Kinks in
> any give month...
> and not get to all of their albums even...

Okay, what's the latest Kinks album and where's their tour ?

>
> but don't figure it appropriate...it's a Stones
> site...
> mebbe we talk about the kinks here and there in
> passing...
> etc... those of you who are open to receiving this
> message will perhaps know what i'm feeling
> here...

Face it, Beelyboy, you're an RHCP hater, pure and simple, that's what you're feeling, for whatever reason...

"mtv poseurs", "frothing", "ga-ga", that's language of a hater... which you're entitled to be, just identify where you're coming from...



>
> and i am not trying to argue everyone into
> adopting my own opinions or feelings.
> i mean the first dozen or two dozen or three dozen
> or 4 dozen peppah posts just from one member
> seemed to establish a point...and other member
> were free to, and did of course, join in with
> their excitement and triumph and that's good to
> see...

Your sense of math is real skewed. Go back and check the posts, who originated them, who posted to them.... come back with an honest count, along with your list of the sources of the 50 ripped-off RHCP songs listed above.
>
> so the peppaah thread/post thing...
> well they SOMETIMES say "OT" so they are easy to
> avoid...if one wishes to.
>
> not that i have a personal investment one way or
> the other

Lol, you have an incredible investment in this hate rant....




but alla this promo stuff could actually
> cut off people from enjoying and being open to
> this band...

If someone discusses a new album, if they discuss a new tour, if they discuss a huge European music festival it's called "promo stuff"... why don't you just skip posts on bands you hate ?


> unless one already is...
> what with the tudes, superiority and
> disinformation about this group.

You have posts on here from Stones fans who ATTENDED the Rock in Rio gig... is that "disinformation"...

Let's see, which is disinformation: A) their concert report OR your ridiculous assertion that "EVERYTHING" the RHCP does over a 25 year career is ripped off ???

>
> yes this is a long post...try to slam me on my
> meaning, if slam u must, and not the time i need
> take to straighten my thoughts out a little and
> write 'em.
> ty

Geez, you do nothing but slam, but say "please don't slam me"....


Anyway, just send your list of where the 50 songs listed above were ripped off from... and you'll prove your point.

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

RHCP: distinctive sound, funky rock, each time new songs, some of them turned out to be real, real classics. Like Born said: over 25 years now. How many other bands have been that sharp over such a period? And yes, they have had their dip, but it is a sign of great rock 'n roll legendary quality to come back great and hungry after having been through deep (drugrelated) shit.

No reason at all to be negative about this band. They are there, in the spotlight, right where they belong. Position earned both because of quality an uniqueness, and by working their asses off.

How many great acts, who already have a great reputation and fanbase to take care off, have the guts to end a concert not with a hit, but with a funky, ugly, confusing, weird but oh so sharp jamsession? (Pinkpop 2006)

Hope they will keep going for another decade ++

Jelle

What kind of an idiot would spend an entire post filled with hatred for a band he doesn't like?
On top of that, millions of fans of the band were insulted without any good reasoning.
The Chili Peppers have been to hell and back, and literally clawed their way to the top.
Live with it or ignore it, but quit wasting so much of your life on the negative.

x



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-09 02:59 by Beelyboy.

Ripping off can result in great songs. Look at led zep. It's the biggest rip-off of all time. But it's fairly entertaining.
Better copy and paste well then write bad songs.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-09 02:57 by Beelyboy.

I don't have a problem with the Chili Peppers, but this is NOT a Chili Peppers board, and BornOnTheBayou just takes every opportunity he can to post or start threads about his beloved band. SAVE IT FOR A CHILI PEPPERS BOARD, BAYOU!

On the other hand, it is HILARIOUS that the Chili Peppers' big new hit has been shown to be plagiarism of Tom Petty. As Bayou would say, LOLOLOLOLOL!

(Beelyboy, you've got the right idea, but your posts are much longer than they need to be to make your point.)

(And, for the guy who said that Petty was ripping off "Waiting for the Sun," give the songs another listen: the chord progressions are different, the tempos MUCH different, and the rhythms of the lyrics different, too.)

Interesting that Beelyboy has a problem with "lies", "puerile, juvenile" (that's redundant by the way), comments about a legendary band still writing music 25 years after they started...

BUT, I don't see any rant by Beelyboy for a post titled "Ten Most Beautiful Women", lol...

ANYWAY, quick question for everyone... The RHCP started in 1981, and just this year, 2006, they released an album that many people consider includes many great tracks and some of their best work...

QUESTION for the music historians... name other bands that 25 years after they started still were writing at the very top of their game.

When I think of the Stones, for example, they started probably about 1962ish... so 25 years later would be 1987. Would we consider the Stones song-writing to be at the top of the game by 1987 ????

Just a question for history...

Bruce Springsteen, for example, released some really great tracks on his Rising album, and that's 25 years after his start... but for the most part the musicians that are writing superlative songs that late in their career is pretty small list... Any bands come to mind ??

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

Beelyboy Wrote:
>
> hi hariball; thanks for calling me an idiot.
>
> oh had to edit to put this in...just realized
> you're the one who called tom petty 'crap' when
> the orbison, dylan and harrion came up...


The fact is, I spent a total of 2 minutes with my comment about Petty,
whereas you must have spent several hours with you're long-winded diatribe.
I apologize for calling you an idiot, it wasn't meant to be a direct insult.
I was trying to refer to the time wasted on writing such a lengthy negative post.
Like I said, either live with it or ignore it.

For the record, I love Dylan, Harrison, and Orbison - they're all genius in my book.
But Petty? I don't think so. If there ever was a wannabe rock star, it has to be Petty.
His songwriting is juvenile and his band are amatuerish.
Just my opinion, and I'm not about to try and stop Petty fans from voicing their opinions on him.

....sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to me.....all I know is the new CD (Stadium Arcadium)is in heavy rotation everywhere including my own home/office.......furthermore.....having paid for this CD, it was worth every single penny......can't say the same about many new CD's out today...........

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> ANYWAY, quick question for everyone... The RHCP
> started in 1981, and just this year, 2006, they
> released an album that many people consider
> includes many great tracks and some of their best
> work...

This is IRRELEVANT! IORR is a Stones board, and you just piss people off by constantly making threads and posts about RHCP.

> When I think of the Stones, for example, they
> started probably about 1962ish... so 25 years
> later would be 1987. Would we consider the Stones
> song-writing to be at the top of the game by 1987
> ????

It's especially irritating when you come up with some weak tie-in to the Stones, like the one above. And when others were starting threads concerned about Billy Preston's illness, you exploited it to start a thread about how "brilliant" Stadium Arcadium is. You should be ashamed.

I got a great idea. Lets stick on some music and crank it up.

jagger50 Wrote:
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> I got a great idea. Lets stick on some music and
> crank it up.


Fantastic idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...a little Stones....a little Peppers.....some Petty and some whatever and lets have a party..............

Treesnake2000 Wrote:
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> BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ANYWAY, quick question for everyone... The
> RHCP
> > started in 1981, and just this year, 2006,
> they
> > released an album that many people consider
> > includes many great tracks and some of their
> best
> > work...
>
> This is IRRELEVANT! IORR is a Stones board, and
> you just piss people off by constantly making
> threads and posts about RHCP.

Hey Snakesh*t... always nice to hear from you.

Apparently you're not very familiar with this board because in the past THREE DAYS there have been posts on the following: The Smiths, The Grateful Dead, David Gilmour, Kiss, The WHo, Cheap Trick, Eric Clapton several times, The Eagles, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Don Henley, Frank Zappa, Bon Jovi, Depeche Mode, Guns N Roses several times, Roger Waters, "Your Top 5 Bands", Bob Dylan, not to mention the NBA Finals and the World Cup... and that's just in past 3 days.

SO, perhaps you need to jump on all those threads, and inform them that their posts are irrelevant



>
> > When I think of the Stones, for example,
> they
> > started probably about 1962ish... so 25
> years
> > later would be 1987. Would we consider the
> Stones
> > song-writing to be at the top of the game by
> 1987
> > ????
>
> It's especially irritating when you come up with
> some weak tie-in to the Stones, like the one
> above.

Well if you're so irritated, go get some Preparation H...

How is it a "weak tie in" to have a thread devoted to bands that have survived and are writing music 25 years after they started ??? That's very appropriate to a venue regarding CLASSIC BANDS like the Rolling Stones...


And when others were starting threads
> concerned about Billy Preston's illness, you
> exploited it to start a thread about how
> "brilliant" Stadium Arcadium is. You should be
> ashamed.

WRONG DUMMY... I was the first to post regarding Billy Preston... because I was quite amazed to find him on one of the Stadium Arcadium tracks, and since he's been out of the limelight for long, I considered that quite reasonable news for a Stones board... THEN LATER out came the posts regarding his health...

Get your dates lined up right...

NOW... go jump on all the posts on the other bands and the World Cup, I'm sure they'll love to hear from you also!

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-06-07 23:10 by BornOnTheBayou.

"Last Dance With Mary Jane" sounds like a Neil Young copy itself.

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> Apparently you're not very familiar with this
> board because in the past THREE DAYS there have
> been posts on the following: The Smiths, The
> Grateful Dead, David Gilmour, Kiss, The WHo, Cheap
> Trick, Eric Clapton several times, The Eagles,
> Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Don Henley, Bon
> Jovi, Depeche Mode, Guns N Roses several times,
> Roger Waters, "Your Top 5 Bands", Bob Dylan, not
> to mention the NBA Finals and the World Cup... and
> that's just in past 3 days.
>
> SO, perhaps you need to jump on all those threads,
> and inform them that their posts are irrelevant

The point, idiot, is that you make TONS of posts and threads about the RHCP, and it's always the same thing. Why don't you just start one big "I love the Chili Peppers" thread and update it whenever you want to tell us that Stadium Arcadium is on sale at Tower Records or spout some bullisht such as "[t]he RHCP have MANY JJF's."

> WRONG DUMMY... I was the first to post regarding
> Billy Preston... because I was quite amazed to
> find him on one of the Stadium Arcadium tracks,
> and since he's been out of the limelight for long,
> I considered that quite reasonable news for a
> Stones board... THEN LATER out came the posts
> regarding his health...
>
> Get your dates lined up right...

This is FALSE. There have been threads about Billy Preston's health since January, and there was a long thread about it in April, as well as a shorter one. You, meanwhile, started your thread in late May, and it was clearly just an excuse to pimp Stadium Arcadium some more. By your second post in that thread, you had forgotten about Billy altogether, and were ranting about which song on Stadium Arcadium is the best.

Bottom line: you are exposed as a liar once again, and should save your Chili Pepper-adoration for THEIR message boards.

(And, for the guy who said that Petty was ripping off "Waiting for the Sun," give the songs another listen: the chord progressions are different, the tempos MUCH different, and the rhythms of the lyrics different, too.)

i never said he ripped them off, all i stated was that the song was a variation on a common basic chord progression.

just like the chili peppers song.

Aren't ALL musician's plagiarists ? Cover bands and original bands alike. Using others ideas and creations to suit their own use. The Stones and Zep and countless others plagiarized through out their carreers. Their whole careers are and/or were based on stealing ideas from others and creating their own great music. I read that Tom Petty was actually considering suing. I think that would be ridiculous. I would think that he would take it as a compliment.

oomh said:

Aren't ALL musician's plagiarists ? Cover bands and original bands alike. Using others ideas and creations to suit their own use. The Stones and Zep and countless others plagiarized through out their carreers. Their whole careers are and/or were based on stealing ideas from others and creating their own great music.

That's exactly right.

BTW, I think the RHCP suck. Just one opinion.