however, I should add that I've never claimed to be sane.....

Hey Gazza I have a clue about alot of things. I'll bet for example My age of 52 years at least doubles the exposure I have had to the Band and it's history than you have had. Next, sane doesn't show its head on the internet very often.they used to do shows without Brian Jones because he could not make it. What I said was there may in the end be 2 choices if Keith can't make it.I did not say they would go on with out him. But you must be aware if this whole tour is canclled that will in all probabity kill it all for good. The reputation of always rising to the challange would be gone. Now in typical message board fashion you read what you want to read and make judgements about people you know nothing about. I sure wish I was a True fan like you.

uh oh....

keefkid Wrote:
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> MnLtMi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can we please just chill out with the
> speculation?
> > They did not come up with June moments after
> the
> > operation. It looks to me like the operation
> was
> > scheduled if needed and it was. The
> organization
> > was probably hoping for the best but planning
> the
> > worst. When the revised schedule is released we
> > will know. And if Keith can't make it there are
> > really two choices. Cancelthe whole thing, or
> go
> > on without him. But why not just wait and see,
> > shall we.
>
>

but you did say 'go on without him'....

and i imagine thats what prompted gazzas post...

I just feel that there is no way they can go on without him, whether it is for 1 or 2 shows or the whole rest of the tour... maybe 10-20 years ago, but not now...

if keef doesnt recover well enough to tour, then it's over... now & forever...

i dont want to see that anymore than anyone else, but its true... i felt at the beginning of this tour, this was going to be the last one anyway but it would really suck if this is the way it ends...


GET WELL SOON KEEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Signed the get well card for Keith!

[iorr.org]

Make Keith proud of the fans, and he will get well soon!

Bjornulf

Thanks, Bjornulf,

Signed!

MANY PRAYERS AND GOOD WISHES TO KEITH!

JR

See that is what I mean. I said The band would face 1 of 2 choices, cancel the whole thing or go on with out him.That is chose.Not do it.And since as you said and I believe, this accident may in fact be the end of it all forever. Which is also in part a decision, coupled with the bad pr. And it would be a shame to end like that. That is why I possed the choices issue. Do you kill it or change it. I do not know. just trying for some solid debate.

really dont want to think about it right now...just hoping keef gets well and things go on, got my fingers crossed...

Fair enough. I really do think this is going to work out ok for everyone. Especially Mr. Richards.

"Just another day that's slippin away."

i personally think that it is even more worse than we think.

there is too much secrecy and disinformation.

wether you like it or not but my opinion is

- that the european leg is not going to happen
- it needs months for keith to recover
- and what worries me the most is fact that there is so much secrecy and disinformation.

i really hope that i'm wrong but i think the situation in even much worse than we all imagine.

let's pray for the man and hope that everything will be o.k.

Hi,
Just seen a message on Shidoobee that "for what it's worth" Paris will be the opener. However, on Paris radio this morning it was being reported as postponed.

I'm hoping for Bergen, 'cos that's my first planned gig this time around, but I I'm hoping even more that Keith has enough time to recuperate and isn't rushed back too early.

Chris

I was searching Shidoobee's forums and there was a doctor who was guessing about Keith's condition and tour.Man he took any hope I had.

Dear Doctor, please help me, there a pain where there one was a heart.

__________________________

This is what StonesDoug wrote, and if this is the straw I have to grasp, i will right now:

"take this for what it is-but this is what I've heard.

In addition to this the procedure that Keith had was elective. He was out of the hospital and continued to have headaches and was told this was something he could do to ease the aches, but it was not mandatory. It was more like a needle shot into his head to relieve the pressure, not getting his head drilled."

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Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-05-09 23:57 by mickijaggeroo.

Yeah, I read that guy's prognosis too. I didn't want to alarm anyone so I hope it's not as bad as he fears.
Chris

MnLtMi Wrote:
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> Hey Gazza I have a clue about alot of things. I'll
> bet for example My age of 52 years at least
> doubles the exposure I have had to the Band and
> it's history than you have had.

I hope you dont bet for a living, then. You'll be as broke as I am pretty soon. And what has age and length of "exposure" got to do with anything?


Next, sane doesn't
> show its head on the internet very often.they used
> to do shows without Brian Jones because he could
> not make it.

they barely did half a dozen actually. You're suggesting that playing a show in a ballroom or theatre without Brian where no one could hear them anyway is the same level as trying to pull off a stadium TOUR without Keith with millions of pounds at stake? Uh - no, I dont think so.

What I said was there may in the end
> be 2 choices if Keith can't make it.I did not say
> they would go on with out him.

I didnt actually suggest that you did

But you must be
> aware if this whole tour is canclled that will in
> all probabity kill it all for good. The reputation
> of always rising to the challange would be gone.
> Now in typical message board fashion you read what
> you want to read and make judgements about people
> you know nothing about. I sure wish I was a True
> fan like you.


well, youre doing the same yourself. Do you know me all of a sudden??

Actually, my dig wasnt aimed at you as such and wasnt even in an answer to you but to someone else. What I was getting at was the speculation that there has been on various news stories (including the BBC) who stated that Keith was expected to rejoin the tour in a few weeks but that it was unclear whether or not the Stones would start the tour without him.


I think you'd agree that simply wouldnt be an option.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-05-10 01:19 by Gazza.

mickijaggeroo , to go along with what Stoensdoug says, I posted this elsewhere but will repeat it here:

OK Before any one jumps on my ass, as some are want to do...I am not a Neurosurgeon, just a GP/ER Doc.

The fact that Keith had the surgury after several days of observation IMPLIES two things to me, that the condition was not life threatening, and that the symptoms involved were not flagrantly debillitating. Subdural hematomas can at times be asymtomatic. I have had a patients going through life only knowing the diganosis because of a scan. I cannot even give out even case specifics because of HIPA law and patient confidentiality, but I can use the anecdotes of my practice to say Keith may have been and may be very stable. We keep hearing about headaches, and really, no matter what any one wants to believe, that may have been his only symptom, which would explain the wait.

I would assume based on past ER cases, that an acute bleed with debilating symptoms (loss of movement, loss of speech, etc) would be treated by a burr hole more immediately without prolonged observation. If Keith's procedure was delayed and then finally performed for the sake of headaches, he shoud not have any prolonged neurologic deficits, and thus no need for rehab etc.

Thank You, kahoosier!

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-07-15 03:27 by Jed Clever.

2007??That's sounds a bit ridiculous.

No, its sounds perfectly logical, if Keith is not able to tour four six months or so. Save ridiculous for your coconut collection.

Are they gonna continue the bigger bang tour till 2007????I don't think so.

someone filled in for ringo in australia when he had his tonsils out.
but that was before nicole kidman, the divinyls and ac/dc so nobody
much gave a dang...probably not even zak's father.

i'd like to hear jeff beck play anything at all; anytime at all...
what fun to see him and ronnie back together...
rod could come out for a number...mick would love that...
catfight catfight...
put a wading pool of mud in the middle of the stage and let it rawwwkkk....

jeff would be beating rod with his guitar, screaming 'you're nothing without me...NOTHING!" smack....
boy i'd pay for that.
charlie could come out and tap dance in keith's solo spot till keith was better...
put taylor, satriani and one of the guys from pearl jam on rhythm guitar...
ron takes all the leads...go for it ron...
or....
well i'm just glad i'm not one of those banned guys who shot off every fool thing that came into his head here...

i hope keith is feeling well tonight...and knows how much so many love him.
take yer time; take it sloowwww baby....
i am hoping, and also guessing that Patti & the kids are really putting a lot of strong love and protection around him...

Who ever said it would have to be ABB, StratoGR? Would you bet your Strat that Keith tours in the next six months? What I'm saying is that it is more likely than not,in my most not humble opinion, that the 2006 European ABB tour is toast. If so, then what? They're not going to tour Europe in the dead of winter, are they? Working on a new album would be a perfect rehab project for Keith, and I imagine that his recent kiss on the lips with death could very well ignite a creative fire under his arse. The new album gets released in time for a new short U.S. tour in fall '06, and then the European dates get made up in spring/summer '07. As for those who say that a new album couldn't possibly be ready by fall '06, don't the Stones have a lot of material in the can? What about the Paris sessions before Licks? Keith is on record as saying they had the basic tracks for over a dozen songs done. So to just dismiss this scenario out of hand, StratoGR, seems rather myopic, don't you think?

Jed Clever is living up to his name.

kahoosier Wrote:
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> mickijaggeroo , to go along with what Stoensdoug
> says, I posted this elsewhere but will repeat it
> here:
>
> OK Before any one jumps on my ass, as some are
> want to do...I am not a Neurosurgeon, just a GP/ER
> Doc.
>
> The fact that Keith had the surgury after several
> days of observation IMPLIES two things to me, that
> the condition was not life threatening, and that
> the symptoms involved were not flagrantly
> debillitating. Subdural hematomas can at times be
> asymtomatic. I have had a patients going through
> life only knowing the diganosis because of a scan.
> I cannot even give out even case specifics because
> of HIPA law and patient confidentiality, but I can
> use the anecdotes of my practice to say Keith may
> have been and may be very stable. We keep hearing
> about headaches, and really, no matter what any
> one wants to believe, that may have been his only
> symptom, which would explain the wait.
>
> I would assume based on past ER cases, that an
> acute bleed with debilating symptoms (loss of
> movement, loss of speech, etc) would be treated by
> a burr hole more immediately without prolonged
> observation. If Keith's procedure was delayed and
> then finally performed for the sake of headaches,
> he shoud not have any prolonged neurologic
> deficits, and thus no need for rehab etc.

Thank you for promising and credible words in a series of dark days.

So far we know :
No shows in May.
That's all.

The rest is speculations and worries. And HOPE.

Consider yourself being inside the Stones organisation. You don't know for sure how Keith is even though you're in contact with the hospital and himself. What his family thinks and how they feel. Scores of contracts have been signed. Insurance deals have been made. Hundreds of thousands of tickets have been sold. The same amount of volunteers plus workers and experts in all possible fields have been engaged all over Europe. Now all of this - or at least part of it - must be changed. Just imagine how much time they needed to organise all the concerts in the first place. Now they are really under great pressure. I'm sure demands for information are not only coming from these pages, but from all possible corners connected with this tour. Within days they are forced to work out solutions and plans that would normally need weeks and months to work out. Yes, they could indeed be more informative. Especially trying to cope with the more wild rumours and speculations. But it really seems to me to be imposible for them to say or announce anything more precise at this stage. Any decision made involves so much and so many. It must be difficult. Really really difficult.

No matter how hard it is: We can only pray, hope, and wish. The tabloids can spread their stories to the whole world within seconds. We can discuss them within seconds as well. But re-arranging a jigsaw puzzle like the Euro-tour ?

well said, that`s all about.

robert from austria

keefkid Wrote:
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> There is no way IN HELL they can go on without
> him...there just isnt...


If he can't go on under no circumstances, and this is the end of The Stones, I would like them to finish the tour with another guitarist although it wouldn't be the same at all.

JumpingKentFlash

Oh no Kent, they can't finish the tour without Keith. No Keith, no Stones. As simple as that. But Keith will recover, and they will continue the tour as they already said they will do. The tour will be delayed for some few weeks, don't forget they have added warm up acts after the accident.