The Stones Wrote:
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> riffhard72 Wrote:
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> > Well, that's good news. I just hope those of
> us
> > with Block A, row 6 tickets will still be in
> block
> > A, row 6 and not Block Z, row 50!!
>
>
> That's exactly what I'm a bit worried about also,
> since I was lucky enough to get first row tickets
> in block A for both shows.
> I think this change of venue is rather
> unfortunate, but it's a good thing though the
> concert dates remain the same.


I think this is the bit that a lot of us with good pitch seats are indeed worried about; I'm in block A5 rows 3 and 1 for both shows. The best seats I'll ever have had at a Stones show, and it would be a real shame to lose out on them because of this. Fingers croosed we don't.

The fact the RFU lost a few million quid because of Englands poor show in the six nations means they will be delighted to have the stones

mr beartie Wrote:
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> The fact the RFU lost a few million quid because
> of Englands poor show in the six nations means
> they will be delighted to have the stones

how did they lose 'a few million quid' because of poor performances?

Adrian

[news.bbc.co.uk]

OK?

Point taken but 1 million is not a "few million" i think you will find.

How do they fit the Wembley crowd into Twickenham?

StonesBart Wrote:
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> How do they fit the Wembley crowd into Twickenham?


By not putting more than 55,000 tickets on sale for each Wembley show.

On Shidoobee someone has said that only 80,000 ofteh Wembley tickets were released so far anyhow...shrewd on Cohl's part.

Ok, because I thought both shows where allready sold out with both 90.000.

lisalover Wrote:
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> Point taken but 1 million is not a "few million" i
> think you will find.


....quite

StonesBart Wrote:
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> Ok, because I thought both shows where allready
> sold out with both 90.000.


the stadium holds 90,000 for football. For concerts with seats on the pitch, its probably closer to about 72,000

Maybe this has been in depth discussed, but how 160,000 people can be 100,000.

That doesn't make sense.

Just curious so i went to look and Ticketmaster selling tickets for Tuesday 22nd Aug at Wembley still! Just got offered 2 for block C1!

I guess they still have capacity even for a (slightly) smaller venue

I for one am very happy we have no cancellations, we have no rescheduling. The only hassle I see with Twickenham is everyone at the train station trying to get back to central london at once after the concert...god that was miserable last time.

The Pitch has to be basically the same size. So I do not think anyone with pitch seats has to worry.

phd Wrote:
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> Maybe this has been in depth discussed, but how
> 160,000 people can be 100,000.


answered in the previous page on this thread

This is off the www.rollingstones.com NEWS page:

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03.31.06 Twickenham Takes Over Rolling Stones London Shows
THE ROLLING STONES CONFIRM THAT ALL TICKETS ARE VALID AND SHOWS WILL REMAIN ON THE SAME DATES IN AUGUST


London - Friday, 31st March 2006

Concert promoters for The Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang World Tour, announced today that The Rolling Stones London shows on Sunday, 20th August and Tuesday, 22nd August 2006 will now take place at Twickenham Stadium.

This follows the announcement from Wembley Ltd this morning that Wembley Stadium will not be completed in time. Although The Stones are disappointed not to have played the new Wembley they are excited by the switch to Twickenham which sees them return to the venue they played two sold out shows in 2003 to unprecedented critical acclaim.

The good news for Stones ticket-holders is that the Bigger Bang Concerts will take place on exactly the same dates this summer. All London ticket purchasers will now be issued tickets for Twickenham. The distribution information will be announced shortly.

Anticipation for the tour is already running at an all-time high following the incredible critical and box-office response to the Stones' North American shows. 'A Bigger Bang' world tour is currently rolling through Japan & Australia. Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood and Charlie Watts will be opening their European tour at Barcelona's Olympic Stadium on 27th May 2006.

The Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang European Tour is presented by American Express.

Rolling Stones World Tour 2005/2006 is presented by Concert Productions International and The Next Adventure and produced by WPC Piecemeal Inc.

THE ROLLING STONES A BIGGER BANG UK SHOWS ARE NOW:
Sunday, Aug 20 Twickenham, London
Tuesday, Aug 22 Twickenham, London
Friday, Aug 25 Hampden Park, Glasgow
Sunday, Aug 27, Don Valley Stadium, Sheffield
Tuesday Aug 29 Millennium Stadium, Cardiff

For Official Tour Information, Fan Club Memberships, Exclusive Merchandise and more, visit www.rollingstones.com

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Kind of makes it as official as we'd like to be - huh ?

Hey Gazza,

This oil, the Chateauneuf du Pape and these amazonian goddesses ? What's the deal ? Are you ferrying the lot over to Twickers ?

that seems to be the exact same press release that was on the RFU website this morning.

Cheers

Gazza Wrote:
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> phd Wrote:
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> > Maybe this has been in depth discussed, but
> how
> > 160,000 people can be 100,000.
>
>
> answered in the previous page on this thread


Thanks. But still not bright enough to understand 1 + 1 = 3. More exactly 1+1= 1.5. Got to think about it. Maybe one of my sons could explain that to me. The New Mathematics School I guess.

To think that London got the olympics 2012. Wonder if it will be ready then?

phd -

the logical explanation is they didnt put all of the Wembley tickets on sale

It would appear that Bon Jovi and Take That both did something similar, because the Milton Keynes Bowl has a capacity which would be closer to the capacity of Twickenham than Wembley

There would have been less problems with getting a licence for a 3rd show at that venue, yet neither act has felt it necessary to do so.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-03-31 20:27 by Gazza.

paulywaul Wrote:
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> Hey Gazza,
>
> This oil, the Chateauneuf du Pape and these
> amazonian goddesses ? What's the deal ? Are you
> ferrying the lot over to Twickers ?


I've booked a goddess of my own for the weekend. If I have any energy left, I'll try and remember the wines, oils and a few extra goddesses. Expect a float to arrive outside the Cabbage Patch mid afternoon on the Sunday!

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> To think that London got the olympics 2012. Wonder
> if it will be ready then?


Don't be silly now, OF COURSE it won't. But never mind, the Olympics can always (a) be moved to another venue, and (b) postponed till .......... say 2014 ?

Gazza Wrote:
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> phd -
>
> the logical explanation is they didnt put all of
> the Wembley tickets on sale
>
> It would appear that Bon Jovi and Take That both
> did something similar, because the Milton Keynes
> Bowl has a capacity which would be closer to the
> capacity of Twickenham than Wembley
>
> There would have been less problems with getting a
> licence for a 3rd show at that venue, yet neither
> act has felt it necessary to do so.
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 03/31/06 20:27 by
> Gazza.


Put only 70% or 65 % of tickets on sale appears to me a pure non-sense an advised promoter as Mr.Cohl would never go into. Fixed Costs, i.e. at first rent of Wembley II are so high, I suppose, that it is unimaginable. If it were true, i.e. forecast of 110,000 tix for London, they would have got directly to Twickenham. Why so rapidly put a second date after heralding that the first one was sold out if it was at only 50 %. No, no, there is something wrong with the figures.

Cant imagine theyd be liable for 'rent' for a venue which - through no fault of their own - theyve been obliged to cancel.

reason they didnt go to Twickenham in the first place is because of the 'prestige' with playing Wembley - simple!! Plus, its easier to get a licence for Wembley than Twickenham. Putting a second date on sale is an exercise in hype and marketing. Few stadium shows anywhere are REALLY sold out - and at various times new tickets have become available.

Not sure where you get this 50% figure from. The capacity of Twickenham is about 70% of Wembley. Like I said, theyre not the only act who have obviously held back ticket sales for these shows. On the contrary, quite a smart move by Cohl and the band's booking agents.

This will be a business case for all the Harvard, London School of Economics of the world. Mr.Cohl will sure be welcome as Profesor Emeritus. Not so certain that play in 70 % of a Stadium is prestige ( 55/75). But you are right. Nevertheless, this machiavelism is astonishing. To end, I just want to say that it is the first time in my Stones Fan "career" that I hear that you do not put on sale 100 % of available seats. But as you write, that should be due to the fact that it has been well-known for monthes by insiders that Wembley II would not never be ready on time.

Regarding the number of tickets available for the new Wembley you should take into account that there are 15,000 corporate premium seats which have been sold on a 10 year basis. These seat holders are given first priority for concerts and would not have been included in the general sale.

Got it. In Stones words and current world , sold out mean : maximum 2/3 third sold ( 50/75). " Don't lie to me..."