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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: walkingthedog ()
Date: April 13, 2024 17:07

After many months and repeated plays I still enjoy the whole record. My favourite part now is the middle, from Whole Wide World to Driving Me Too Hard. If I were to make the record perfect, I would kick out Bite My Head Off and Rolling Stone Blues, start with Living In A Ghost Town and add Eazy Sleazy before SSOH.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: April 13, 2024 20:13

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After many months and repeated plays I still enjoy the whole record. My favourite part now is the middle, from Whole Wide World to Driving Me Too Hard. If I were to make the record perfect, I would kick out Bite My Head Off and Rolling Stone Blues, start with Living In A Ghost Town and add Eazy Sleazy before SSOH.

It's hard to believe how different all us Stones fans feel about this album, personally for me, love the two singles and Keith's two tracks, but upset that Keith didn't have more input, finding it hard to come to terms with the fact Keith just lost interest in what became a Jagger Richards composition.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: April 13, 2024 23:17

It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 13, 2024 23:20

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walkingthedog
After many months and repeated plays I still enjoy the whole record. My favourite part now is the middle, from Whole Wide World to Driving Me Too Hard. If I were to make the record perfect, I would kick out Bite My Head Off and Rolling Stone Blues, start with Living In A Ghost Town and add Eazy Sleazy before SSOH.

ha ha...a lot to love. I actually put Easy Sleazy on a CD in my car in front of Angry and then the rest of the album, finishing with - after RS Blues, the live version of SSoH.

The only track that warbles a bit for me is Live By The Sword, and it isn't the whole song but mainly Mick's pedantic style of singing and the simplistic lyrics during the verses.

If they had left that off the album, or he had a different approach on it I think I'd rate this a 5 star album. I thought Keith's contribution was particularly good as the "Keith break".

I took a break from the album after playing it to death, for about 6 weeks. Coming back to it again and it still sounds fresh. We're very lucky to have this little resurgence and I look forward to what they deliver next.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: April 13, 2024 23:28

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Stoneage
It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.
But why did Keith sell out.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: MKjan ()
Date: April 13, 2024 23:39

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Stoneage
It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.

But why did Keith sell out.

They're not, and he didn't.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: April 14, 2024 01:09

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ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 14, 2024 02:57

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Stoneage
It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.

But why did Keith sell out.

They're not, and he didn't.

There is no plausible reason the same people keep coming on here and posting the same grievances...so it's best to just not engage them and maybe they'll get bored and just stop posting the nonsense.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 14, 2024 04:06

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An objective review I think..

Yes, a fair review.

Ha ha, these are good ones! "Objective" and "fair". Fair because of what exactly? Because it supports your opinions? That's not what "fair" actually means, that's just... useful, useful for you.

Even more idiotic is the term "objective review". Simply because no such thing like an "objective review" exists. By definition, a review can only be subjective because it reflects the viewpoints and opinions of the actual reviewers, not more, not less.

If I would say, "I don't like a painting by Rembrandt because he can't paint", that would be unfair. If I would say, "it doesn't appeal to me, I think he's done better ones", it would be fair, and someone else could still disagree with it.
Or, if I could go to a supposedly fancy restaurant and I get a hamburger. (A good one, well done, tasty, the works). I could say: "I expected more", which would be a fair thing to say. Or I could say: "These people can't cook", which would be unfair. Other people might still be impressed by the hamburger of course and yet understand that not everyone feels the same. That's what fair reviews can achieve.

Delighted to have that cleared up, I remain yours faithfully, at your service.

Still, it's fair for you because it supports your opinion. A review is only an opinion smiling smiley

Well, that video is a very fair and objective opinion then.. and its not because it “ fits our opinion” ,its because it balances very well the positives and negatives of the record. My personal opinion of the album is way more harsh than what you hear on the video btw..



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: MKjan ()
Date: April 14, 2024 04:16

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Stoneage
It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.

But why did Keith sell out.

They're not, and he didn't.

There is no plausible reason the same people keep coming on here and posting the same grievances...so it's best to just not engage them and maybe they'll get bored and just stop posting the nonsense.

You're right treaclefingers.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 14, 2024 04:19

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Stoneage
It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.

But why did Keith sell out.

They're not, and he didn't.

There is no plausible reason the same people keep coming on here and posting the same grievances...so it's best to just not engage them and maybe they'll get bored and just stop posting the nonsense.

You're right treaclefingers.

But how do we know what’s the nonesense?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: April 14, 2024 06:00

ha ha...a lot to love. I actually put Easy Sleazy on a CD in my car in front of Angry and then the rest of the album, finishing with - after RS Blues, the live version of SSoH.

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How did you put Eazy Sleazy on a CD? I looked for it when it came out and could never find a commercial release.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Date: April 14, 2024 09:33

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An objective review I think..

Yes, a fair review.

Ha ha, these are good ones! "Objective" and "fair". Fair because of what exactly? Because it supports your opinions? That's not what "fair" actually means, that's just... useful, useful for you.

Even more idiotic is the term "objective review". Simply because no such thing like an "objective review" exists. By definition, a review can only be subjective because it reflects the viewpoints and opinions of the actual reviewers, not more, not less.

If I would say, "I don't like a painting by Rembrandt because he can't paint", that would be unfair. If I would say, "it doesn't appeal to me, I think he's done better ones", it would be fair, and someone else could still disagree with it.
Or, if I could go to a supposedly fancy restaurant and I get a hamburger. (A good one, well done, tasty, the works). I could say: "I expected more", which would be a fair thing to say. Or I could say: "These people can't cook", which would be unfair. Other people might still be impressed by the hamburger of course and yet understand that not everyone feels the same. That's what fair reviews can achieve.

Delighted to have that cleared up, I remain yours faithfully, at your service.

Still, it's fair for you because it supports your opinion. A review is only an opinion smiling smiley

Well, that video is a very fair and objective opinion then.. and its not because it “ fits our opinion” ,its because it balances very well the positives and negatives of the record. My personal opinion of the album is way more harsh than what you hear on the video btw..

It can never be objective, even though it might be more analytical than other reviews. It's still a reVIEW!

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: April 14, 2024 11:55

Good point, Dandie. Probably being analytical might give the impression of being objective, but it really means that one is good with words, that is, being good in expressing one views by taking a lot of things into consideration. But subjective, all the same. It might be in best case convincing, but not objectively true.

But what goes for the review discussed here, no, I didn't bother to watch it. Those YouTube talking heads giving reviews is not my thing. They bore me to death. I prefer written ones. The ones I can read or glimpse as fast through as I want to see if there is a point there or not, you know, to see if there a reason to read it more carefully or not.

- Doxa

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: April 14, 2024 12:21



Classic Rock album of 2023 ....



ROCKMAN

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 14, 2024 15:48

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24FPS
ha ha...a lot to love. I actually put Easy Sleazy on a CD in my car in front of Angry and then the rest of the album, finishing with - after RS Blues, the live version of SSoH.

How did you put Eazy Sleazy on a CD? I looked for it when it came out and could never find a commercial release.[/quote]

It requires dedication 24FPS!

What I did was download Easy Sleazy from YouTube, then ripped the audio from the video in a software program, (I did the same actually with the entire Hackney album, and then SSoH live) and then lined them up and burned to a CD rom on my PC.

I know, really old school. And even though I have innumerable copies of the album already, this is the one that's still in my car. I figured this "play copy" can get scratched up and I'm not concerned.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 14, 2024 17:05

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An objective review I think..

Yes, a fair review.

Ha ha, these are good ones! "Objective" and "fair". Fair because of what exactly? Because it supports your opinions? That's not what "fair" actually means, that's just... useful, useful for you.

Even more idiotic is the term "objective review". Simply because no such thing like an "objective review" exists. By definition, a review can only be subjective because it reflects the viewpoints and opinions of the actual reviewers, not more, not less.

If I would say, "I don't like a painting by Rembrandt because he can't paint", that would be unfair. If I would say, "it doesn't appeal to me, I think he's done better ones", it would be fair, and someone else could still disagree with it.
Or, if I could go to a supposedly fancy restaurant and I get a hamburger. (A good one, well done, tasty, the works). I could say: "I expected more", which would be a fair thing to say. Or I could say: "These people can't cook", which would be unfair. Other people might still be impressed by the hamburger of course and yet understand that not everyone feels the same. That's what fair reviews can achieve.

Delighted to have that cleared up, I remain yours faithfully, at your service.

Still, it's fair for you because it supports your opinion. A review is only an opinion smiling smiley

Well, that video is a very fair and objective opinion then.. and its not because it “ fits our opinion” ,its because it balances very well the positives and negatives of the record. My personal opinion of the album is way more harsh than what you hear on the video btw..

It can never be objective, even though it might be more analytical than other reviews. It's still a reVIEW!

Objective opinions exist my friend, doctors give them all the time...”its your decision, but this is my opinion given the info I have, etc..”

But we are not here to discuss semantics, we are here to talk about the album, so lets just move on...

Btw, what did you think about the review? Do you agree? You dont? Thats what i wanted to talk about from the get go



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Testify ()
Date: April 14, 2024 17:51

The Stones will never make an album that everyone agrees on, because they have gone through so many different generations, different musical sensibilities, etc.
So for me the album is a small masterpiece, for some it's mediocre, for others it's bad... let's move on it's only rock n roll (but a like it)!

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 14, 2024 18:04

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The Stones will never make an album that everyone agrees on, because they have gone through so many different generations, different musical sensibilities, etc.
So for me the album is a small masterpiece, for some it's mediocre, for others it's bad... let's move on it's only rock n roll (but a like it)!

Amen to that!

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 14, 2024 18:27

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: April 15, 2024 00:34

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

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- Doxa

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: April 15, 2024 03:41

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

grinning smiley

- Doxa

Absolutely! Proves that I was wrong and that "fair and objective reviews" do indeed exist... My apologies to dedospegajosos and his gang...

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 15, 2024 05:36

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

grinning smiley



- Doxa

Absolutely! Proves that I was wrong and that "fair and objective reviews" do indeed exist... My apologies to dedospegajosos and his gang...

I have a gang? Cool!



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 15, 2024 07:18

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

Yeah, it reminds me of the time when the The Force Awakens came out, every critic said it was the best star wars movie since Some Girls, sorry, The Empire Strikes Back..



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Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: April 15, 2024 07:59

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Stoneage
It is what it is. The rhythm section is gone. 60 percent of the band is left. The song writing duo is not a duo anymore. Since decades. The renowned guests do not make a difference.
Still, I'm glad that they finally released some new music instead of touring warhorses around the clock. They are done now. It doesn't matter what they do next.
It's been a long run though and I'm grateful for it.

Still, and always will be, better than "The Beach Boys".

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: April 15, 2024 08:04

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After many months and repeated plays I still enjoy the whole record. My favourite part now is the middle, from Whole Wide World to Driving Me Too Hard. If I were to make the record perfect, I would kick out Bite My Head Off and Rolling Stone Blues, start with Living In A Ghost Town and add Eazy Sleazy before SSOH.

ha ha...a lot to love. I actually put Easy Sleazy on a CD in my car in front of Angry and then the rest of the album, finishing with - after RS Blues, the live version of SSoH.

The only track that warbles a bit for me is Live By The Sword, and it isn't the whole song but mainly Mick's pedantic style of singing and the simplistic lyrics during the verses.

If they had left that off the album, or he had a different approach on it I think I'd rate this a 5 star album. I thought Keith's contribution was particularly good as the "Keith break".

I took a break from the album after playing it to death, for about 6 weeks. Coming back to it again and it still sounds fresh. We're very lucky to have this little resurgence and I look forward to what they deliver next.

EMOTIONAL RESCUE and UNDERCOVER still sound fresh - 6 weeks? SSOH has taken on it's on pantheon within Moonlight Mile, Shine A Light, Can You Hear The Music, If You Really Want To Be My Friend, Melody, Down In A Hole, Worried About You, Feel On Baby, How Can I Stop.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 15, 2024 14:44

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After many months and repeated plays I still enjoy the whole record. My favourite part now is the middle, from Whole Wide World to Driving Me Too Hard. If I were to make the record perfect, I would kick out Bite My Head Off and Rolling Stone Blues, start with Living In A Ghost Town and add Eazy Sleazy before SSOH.

ha ha...a lot to love. I actually put Easy Sleazy on a CD in my car in front of Angry and then the rest of the album, finishing with - after RS Blues, the live version of SSoH.

The only track that warbles a bit for me is Live By The Sword, and it isn't the whole song but mainly Mick's pedantic style of singing and the simplistic lyrics during the verses.

If they had left that off the album, or he had a different approach on it I think I'd rate this a 5 star album. I thought Keith's contribution was particularly good as the "Keith break".

I took a break from the album after playing it to death, for about 6 weeks. Coming back to it again and it still sounds fresh. We're very lucky to have this little resurgence and I look forward to what they deliver next.

EMOTIONAL RESCUE and UNDERCOVER still sound fresh - 6 weeks? SSOH has taken on it's on pantheon within Moonlight Mile, Shine A Light, Can You Hear The Music, If You Really Want To Be My Friend, Melody, Down In A Hole, Worried About You, Feel On Baby, How Can I Stop.

Yes, 6 weeks. I got into a jazz kick which was a great palate cleanser. Coming back to HD after that was like coming back to an old friend - I'd been listening to it non-stop for months!

But I agree with you as well; Emotional Rescue and Undercover still sound fresh over 40 years later and I suspect HD fit in that group.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: April 15, 2024 14:49

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

Yeah, it reminds me of the time when the The Force Awakens came out, every critic said it was the best star wars movie since Some Girls, sorry, The Empire Strikes Back..

A weak quip to be sure, but I salute you on the effort of your "campaign". A little "obsessive-compulsive" but certainly unwaivering.

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 15, 2024 15:58

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Classic Rock album of 2023 ....

Thanks Rockman. Certainly a "fair and objective" review.

Yeah, it reminds me of the time when the The Force Awakens came out, every critic said it was the best star wars movie since Some Girls, sorry, The Empire Strikes Back..

A weak quip to be sure, but I salute you on the effort of your "campaign". A little "obsessive-compulsive" but certainly unwaivering.

ha ha ha that's funny, can we talk about the album now instead of me treacle? ?

Re: Hackney Diamonds - Album Talk
Posted by: dedospegajosos ()
Date: April 15, 2024 17:34

Angry
Get Close
Depending on you
Tell Me Straight
Ride Em On Down
Live By The Sword
Mess It Up
Crosseyed Heart
Commit A Crime
Living In A Ghost Town
Blue and Lonesome
Rolling Stone Blues


Not bad, not bad a all.. Really nice compilation of the Stones sessions of the last decade. Listening to this every day now.



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