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GasLightStreet
And the Tell The Truth song got left off.
"Tell the Truth" is an early version of "Mess It Up" and yes, it sounds like they really, really, really, really, really, really lost something. Incidentally Don Was brought in Andy Watt to work on that song with Mick a few years before Macca's dinner with Ronnie.
Don't forget "Driving Me Too Hard" is on Ronnie's setlist from the December 2015 British Grove sessions so that one was around a good long while. "Live by the Sword" was from the "Living in a Ghost Town" sessions in 2019. "Tell Me Straight" sounds suspiciously like it was developed from "Right, Off You Go" from the UNDERCOVER sessions.
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GasLightStreet
And the Tell The Truth song got left off.
"Tell the Truth" is an early version of "Mess It Up" and yes, it sounds like they really, really, really, really, really, really lost something. Incidentally Don Was brought in Andy Watt to work on that song with Mick a few years before Macca's dinner with Ronnie.
Don't forget "Driving Me Too Hard" is on Ronnie's setlist from the December 2015 British Grove sessions so that one was around a good long while. "Live by the Sword" was from the "Living in a Ghost Town" sessions in 2019. "Tell Me Straight" sounds suspiciously like it was developed from "Right, Off You Go" from the UNDERCOVER sessions.
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Doxa
Had we not being familiar with the original out-takes, it could have been probably easier to appreciate the results. You know, listening the tunes as they are, not comparing them to anything. It was easier to like, say, "Plundered My Soul" or "Scarlet", since there was nothing to compare there.
The knowledge causes pain sometimes...
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Doxa
But anyway, I think the moral of that point can be generalized to apply to new studio material as well. We know how they once sounded like - listening our old records - and that could be used as a point of reference: I know how they supposed to sound like, and they do not manage to do that any longer. I think I have had that problem with some of their past albums. The concept 'Stones-by-numbers' derives from that. Them like mimicking themselves. Too many times I have 'oh, this sounds like that, but its like its poor relative, not the real thing'. That's been probably my main issue with an album like VOODOO LOUNGE - why should I listen to it as I can listen to EXILE ON MAIN STREET or STICKY FINGERS? it could be, have I had not known those albums, I might like VOODOO LOUNGE more.
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GasLightStreet
And the Tell The Truth song got left off.
"Tell the Truth" is an early version of "Mess It Up" and yes, it sounds like they really, really, really, really, really, really lost something. Incidentally Don Was brought in Andy Watt to work on that song with Mick a few years before Macca's dinner with Ronnie.
Don't forget "Driving Me Too Hard" is on Ronnie's setlist from the December 2015 British Grove sessions so that one was around a good long while. "Live by the Sword" was from the "Living in a Ghost Town" sessions in 2019. "Tell Me Straight" sounds suspiciously like it was developed from "Right, Off You Go" from the UNDERCOVER sessions.
Wot?
Haven't heard Right, Off You Go.
Actually all these songs are all new. They were all written this year, last year, over a short base of time when we recorded. They're all new and none of 'em are from previous sessions. This is like 10 tracks that were chosen out of 15 that we actually finished.
- Mick Jagger, 1984
[timeisonourside.com]
Yet everyone, maybe, knows that 1975's Cellophane Trousers became Too Tough.
Of course, later on. But...
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gotdablouse
It's a Jim Barber track : [jimbarber.bandcamp.com]
...that sounds a lot like the riff Keith had been playing around with since the GHS sessions, called (by the bootleggers at least) "Brown Leaves", "Golden Caddy", etc...
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keefriffhards
It's telling that we got 83 pages of conversation on this Stones album whereas Crosseyed Heart got over 200 pages of mostly positive conversation from a solo Stone.
Says it all really.
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keefriffhards
It's telling that we got 83 pages of conversation on this Stones album whereas Crosseyed Heart got over 200 pages of mostly positive conversation from a solo Stone.
Says it all really.
Simply shows that true greatness does not need many words and endless "try to talk you into it"-rants!
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KeithNacho
Keith's CH and Ronnie's FLP, are the best RS related releases from last decades. At least for me
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keefriffhards
It's telling that we got 83 pages of conversation on this Stones album whereas Crosseyed Heart got over 200 pages of mostly positive conversation from a solo Stone.
Says it all really.
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keefriffhards
It's telling that we got 83 pages of conversation on this Stones album whereas Crosseyed Heart got over 200 pages of mostly positive conversation from a solo Stone.
Says it all really.
might it also indicate that a good chunk of the hardcore fan base has died off in the nearly decade long gap between the two albums?
although i will admit to liking crosseyed heart slightly more then hackney diamonds
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keefriffhards
It's telling that we got 83 pages of conversation on this Stones album whereas Crosseyed Heart got over 200 pages of mostly positive conversation from a solo Stone.
Says it all really.
might it also indicate that a good chunk of the hardcore fan base has died off in the nearly decade long gap between the two albums?
although i will admit to liking crosseyed heart slightly more then hackney diamonds
Well, some of us have left for sure, for natural reasons, but also that horrible CROSSEYED HEART thread contributed for that. There was a lynch mentality there against any critical word. The Richards macho fan crowd had their fiesta there. Like some bloody holy mess a bunch of True Believers preaching each other the same Gospel. The same points again and and again and again and again.
By contrast, this thread has been more civil. It actually contains great discussion involving differing opinions and point of views. Quality over quantity.
- Doxa
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bitusa2012
Love ‘em both. Next…
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MadMetaphoricalMax
I do love both. Back in 2015, I reviewed Cross Eyed Heart and thought it was among the best of new releases from the Stones world in a long time (the vaults were already putting out gems from the archives). Blue and Lonesome I also liked a lot, and Little Rain will always be a top 10 Stones fave for me - but then comes Hackney Diamonds and it's a step change in focus, quality, cohesiveness and the band coming together around the radiating core of Mick n Keef that was out of commission for too long.It's just on a different level. If I put it on, after a week or two of not playing it, I still get goosebumps from HD. Sometimes I could weep, it's so good, so unexpected, so against the universal laws of decline and thermodynamics. And then we get the VU cover from Keith, what a friend of mine calls 'the best single stones track since Exile' ("What a beautiful closing chapter" he says in general) and Mick's brill theme tune for Slow Horses.
Crazy days.... Glad to be alive