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Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: umakmehrd ()
Date: July 28, 2022 03:41

When I go to Vegas I always search for who's playing, have seen numerous acts there and yes a few residencies they are great venue's to see your fav performers... but this sphere looks incredible it will put new life into the strip ! U2 will be epic in there with all that technology.

I'm going with or without you...

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: July 28, 2022 05:17

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When I go to Vegas I always search for who's playing, have seen numerous acts there and yes a few residencies they are great venue's to see your fav performers... but this sphere looks incredible it will put new life into the strip ! U2 will be epic in there with all that technology.

I'm going with or without you...

I still haven't found what I'm looking for.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 28, 2022 07:13

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.

A band that sells out every show on their tours and still creates (and releases) new music is "officially done" because they're going to play a handful of shows during a tour in a structure built for music in Las Vegas?

That's extremely entertaining.


I feel like once a band goes the route of the Vegas residency some sense of credibility is gone. But that's just my own opinion. We whine a lot about the Vegas Stones, but one thing they've never done is a Vegas Residency. Can't really see that happening.

I'm curious as to how many other non-American acts have had residencies there?? I know Celine and Shania come to mind instantly. Adele just rescheduled her shows. Can't come up with any others....

And much like many on here decry that the boys haven't produced a good album since TY, I don't really think U2 have done anything great since Zooropa, which was really just a continuation of Achtung.

Has Billy Joel lost his credibility?

What is your foundation for what determines credibility?

What's your idea of what residency means?

The Vegas tag about the Stones has nothing to do with them (ever) playing Vegas, it's just about the culture of the shows.

There's always gonna be whoever saying whatever about how good something is after TATTOO YOU etc. Critically is one thing, as a fan is completely different.

Same with U2.

It's one thing to love an album as a fan, it's another to say 'But it's their BEST!' when critically it isn't and even that should be admitted or at least acknowledged by that fan (UNDERCOVER is a perfect example).


For me Billy Joel has not lost any cred. Playing the Garden once a month indefinitely was a brilliant idea, and he hasn’t put out anything in roughly 30 years, though I wish he would. It’s different musical tastes is all. I don’t think his art form is any less than that of the Stones and I don’t view him as just an entertainer. I actually think I have more respect for him than the boys because he’s just a regular joe who walks down the street and is happy to talk to people. I used to live right next to his motorcycle museum in Oyster Bay and saw him on the sidewalk more than once. You can’t get anywhere near the boys. Does that give him more Cred? No but he also recognized that there were people who wanted to hear his music though he didn’t want to tour anymore and playing the Garden was an easy compromise for him. He can be home relatively early and he still gets to perform and earn more money. And honestly the way he mixes up the set lists is great. You don’t always get all the hits. He lets the fans pick a lot of the songs so sometimes you come away not hearing what you’d hoped to hear. But you get some great deep cuts.

Vegas is a whole other animal to me. It is all about the money and commercialism and to me it’s a sellout. But that’s my opinion. I’ve always thought U2 were overrated hot air anyway so hey whatever. To me this is just a quick and easy cash grab, which I think it is for lost performers who set up there.

In bold, above, is the Stones in general.

Your opinion about U2 has no relevance, yet alone the fact that they aren't going for a "quick and easy cash grab" with a "set up there".

You didn't answer the question: What's your idea of what a residency means?

Because Billy Joel has had a residency at MSG for over 80 shows... at MSG.

Is it "Vegas" or "residency" that bothers you? Or is it U2?

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: triceratops ()
Date: July 28, 2022 07:55

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.

My opinion is identical. Edge had a 14 year dispute in Malibu where he wanted to build four-five houses on a very scenic overlook. I had a good laugh over that.
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The Edge denied bid to build Malibu compound after 14 …
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Jun 19, 2019 · The rocker bought the 151 acres in 2005 for $9 million and has been back and forth to court for years trying to get approval to build on the land. Renderings of 'Leaves in the Wind'

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: July 28, 2022 08:26

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

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Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: July 28, 2022 12:45

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

Achtung Baby & to a slightly lesser extent Zooropa (underrated) are fantastic.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: July 28, 2022 13:04

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

Achtung Baby & to a slightly lesser extent Zooropa (underrated) are fantastic.

I do recall one or two nice tunes from each of those albums - especially from Achtung Baby, but for the most part seems the band were a bit aimless and disoriented from that point forward.
Stretching themselves a bit too thin while losing most of the initial greatness that they once had achieved so effortlessly. Beyond that point, can't recall much of anything from them. A Beautiful Day was a nice tune.....

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Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: July 28, 2022 14:01

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Def Leppard too. Great taping story there.

ok you got me curious

care to tell that story?

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 29, 2022 06:36

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

When was the last time released a decent album?

Totally subjective and critically ignorant. When was the last decent Stones album? 1981 - with a huge gap in between the previous decent album.

You can't understand how they gained so much popularity? It's simple: great music.

Maybe you're rigid, old and like a fossil, set in its way?

LOL whatever. The joy for all that are not you is the joy that is not you.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: Rip This ()
Date: July 30, 2022 14:58

wow...awesome....thats a show/residency to get excited about and the Dolans no doubt will build a state of the art theatre...wow.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: stonesstein ()
Date: July 31, 2022 03:34

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Pass. I remember Bono ruining IORR at the Aragon Ballroom.

I was there in the Aragon for the show, and Bono hardly "ruined" IORR. It was good to see him come out and be on stage with the Stones on such a hot night. As a 50+ year fan of the Stones, I can say that it was every bit as good for the Stones that Bono showed up as it was that they let him come on stage.

Despite that the "homers" here will say, U2 is one of the iconic bands of the 80s, 90s, & 00s, and the shows that are coming up in 2023 will be treasured by as many, if not more, U2 fans as the shows that the Stones are playing now.


stonesstein
kick me like you kicked before
I can't even feel the pain no more
"Rocks Off" 1972

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 31, 2022 05:31

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Pass. I remember Bono ruining IORR at the Aragon Ballroom.

I was there in the Aragon for the show, and Bono hardly "ruined" IORR. It was good to see him come out and be on stage with the Stones on such a hot night. As a 50+ year fan of the Stones, I can say that it was every bit as good for the Stones that Bono showed up as it was that they let him come on stage.

Despite that the "homers" here will say, U2 is one of the iconic bands of the 80s, 90s, & 00s, and the shows that are coming up in 2023 will be treasured by as many, if not more, U2 fans as the shows that the Stones are playing now.

I just listened to the performance. It was fantastically live. A great twist on an otherwise rather boring song.

donyis must be fun to hang out at parties with.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 31, 2022 06:39

A lifelong dear friend of mine died this past Sunday.

He loved the Stones, he loved U2. Bowie. The Cult. The Beatles. Doors. REM. Replacements. Liz Phair! Dr Dre. Snoop! Soundgarden. Willie Nelson. Hank Williams. Elvis! Etc on and on. Loads more. He just loved music. I never got the impression he had a number one, he just loved whatever.

He never saw the ridiculousness that people come up with here for, OH POLITICS or whatever. Idiotic drama about whatever because MY OPINION MATTERS.

He loved the aspect that the Stones are old yet keep going no matter how bad they are. But any media madness, like how bad KISS are... and then what Pearl Jam did...

He never judged.

It's tiring. It can be fun to argue, to point things out, hypocrisy, have a hearty giggle (DIRTY WORK lovers), really strange opinions, oblique opinions, classic opinions - whatever.

I know for me to be involved here, just like anyone else, it includes me to click to make this place, iorr.org appear... but goddamn.

I dunno.

Does that make sense? I'm just not sure anymore. Being a fan means what?

It actually, realistically, means nothing. No one alters a meal because of..., right?

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: stonesstein ()
Date: July 31, 2022 06:50

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A lifelong dear friend of mine died this past Sunday.

He loved the Stones, he loved U2. Bowie. The Cult. The Beatles. Doors. REM. Replacements. Liz Phair! Dr Dre. Snoop! Soundgarden. Willie Nelson. Hank Williams. Elvis! Etc on and on. Loads more. He just loved music. I never got the impression he had a number one, he just loved whatever.

He never saw the ridiculousness that people come up with here for, OH POLITICS or whatever. Idiotic drama about whatever because MY OPINION MATTERS.

He loved the aspect that the Stones are old yet keep going no matter how bad they are. But any media madness, like how bad KISS are... and then what Pearl Jam did...

He never judged.

It's tiring. It can be fun to argue, to point things out, hypocrisy, have a hearty giggle (DIRTY WORK lovers), really strange opinions, oblique opinions, classic opinions - whatever.

I know for me to be involved here, just like anyone else, it includes me to click to make this place, iorr.org appear... but goddamn.

I dunno.

Does that make sense? I'm just not sure anymore. Being a fan means what?

It actually, realistically, means nothing. No one alters a meal because of..., right?

I am sorry for your loss and about the loss of your friend, and I wish blessings upon you to get you thru.

I like what you have written above, and in the BIG scope of things, it does make sense, a LOT of sense. Plenty of people hereon are too "the band died when Brian died" or "the band never recovered from the loss of Taylor". While all have the full right of free speech (subject to BV, of course!), many here are so intolerant of anything except the Stones. It SO frustrates me, as it sounds like it does you, too. Each among us is a spice which contributes to the flavor of the never-ending meal that is IORR. Wish people focused on that which unites instead of that which divides.


stonesstein
kick me like you kicked before
I can't even feel the pain no more
"Rocks Off" 1972

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: July 31, 2022 12:43

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GasLightStreet
A lifelong dear friend of mine died this past Sunday.

He loved the Stones, he loved U2. Bowie. The Cult. The Beatles. Doors. REM. Replacements. Liz Phair! Dr Dre. Snoop! Soundgarden. Willie Nelson. Hank Williams. Elvis! Etc on and on. Loads more. He just loved music. I never got the impression he had a number one, he just loved whatever.

He never saw the ridiculousness that people come up with here for, OH POLITICS or whatever. Idiotic drama about whatever because MY OPINION MATTERS.

He loved the aspect that the Stones are old yet keep going no matter how bad they are. But any media madness, like how bad KISS are... and then what Pearl Jam did...

He never judged.

It's tiring. It can be fun to argue, to point things out, hypocrisy, have a hearty giggle (DIRTY WORK lovers), really strange opinions, oblique opinions, classic opinions - whatever.

I know for me to be involved here, just like anyone else, it includes me to click to make this place, iorr.org appear... but goddamn.

I dunno.

Does that make sense? I'm just not sure anymore. Being a fan means what?

It actually, realistically, means nothing. No one alters a meal because of..., right?

Sorry for your loss

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: jigsaw69 ()
Date: August 1, 2022 13:28

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

Achtung Baby & to a slightly lesser extent Zooropa (underrated) are fantastic.



They gained massive popularity for the 80s GenX after Live Aid which took U2 from being a very popular and raw post punk/new wave band of the early 80s, into a cross over band and into the stratosphere with no.1 singles across the globe. U2 and Bono in particular, became a household face and name with the performance at Wembley that day....

Joshua Tree was the perfect sounding clever next album (cleverly produced by Lanois/Eno) and image for the time and the associated videos for all the classic singles took them into every MTV household in the 80s.

Rattle and Hum solidified that position and then they changed their image for a new decade, which again caught the times/culture/music perfectly. Achtung Baby is a classic album and set the tone for the Zoo TV tours that came afterwards which were ground breaking.

For me, U2 circa 91/92 were where the Stones were at in terms of popularity in 72/73 Tours. I remember reading same back '92. Its hard to articulate that unless you have lived thro it. I remember at the time U2 being in ever newspaper, every magazine, every front cover, every radio channel, every TV station..... The anticipation for their tours and going to the gigs being incredible etc.

Time waits for no one....and U2 never quite got back to that massive global cultural relevant juggernaut of popularity ever again. The juggernaut slowly faded over the decades. Each album hasn't been quite as good as the last. Each tour has been same - not quite as good as the last.....can't maintain that level of quality forever.....



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Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: PatrickS77 ()
Date: August 1, 2022 13:42

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

Bullshit. Achtung Baby is great. Pop is not 2 bad. All that you can't leave behind is great. How to dismantle an atomic bomb is great. No line on the horizont is for the most part great. So really, I reject that TUF is the last "decent" album.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: PatrickS77 ()
Date: August 1, 2022 13:51

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So this topic got me curious, and I did some digging into the topic of Residencies. Below may not be a comprehensive list, but it is what I have found in my research done this am. Here are the acts that have performed residencies in Vegas:
John Legend
Katy Perry
Adele
Carrie Underwood
Celine Dion
Usher
Lady Gaga
Zedd
Janet Jackson
Gwen Stefani
Drake
The Backstreet Boys
Cardi B
Aerosmith
Lady Antebellum
Bruno Mars
Donny & Marie Osmond
Britney Spears
Jennifer Lopez
Rod Stewart
Calvin Harris
Cher
Elton John
Barry Manilow
Christina Aguilera
Wayne Newton
Mariah Carey
Boyz II Men
Pitbull
Brooks & Dunn & Reba McEntire
Billy Idol
George Strait
Carlos Santana
Diana Ross
Robbie Williams
Def Leppard
Motley Crue
Shania Twain
Guns N Roses
CeeLo Green

Luke Bryan has done a mini residency of 6 shows
Keith Urban was to have had one but only got 4 shows in before COVID, and then filled in for some of the vacated dates when Adele postponed her residency


And let’s not forget those who were residents before there was a residency:
Elvis
Liberace
Sinatra

Others during this time period included:
Nat King Cole
Ella Fitzgerald
Harry Belafonte
Della Reese
Lena Horne
Lionel Hampton
Sammy Davis Jr.
Louis Armstrong
Louis Prima
Edith Piaf
The Andrews Sisters
Maurice Chevalier
Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey
Mel Tormé
Benny Goodman
Gene Krupa
Ginger Rogers
Dinah Shore
The full Rat Pack (Sinatra, Davis Jr, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop, & Peter Lawford)
Lola Falana
Engelbert Humperdinck
Andy Williams
Johnny Mathis
Fats Domino
Gladys Knight
Chuck Berry
Carl Perkins
Hal Linden

And Prince, the Scorpions, Lionel Richie, Kiss (will do one soon). It's by far not just a thing that has beens do. People should change their outdated views on Las Vegas residencies.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: hockenheim95 ()
Date: August 1, 2022 14:04

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VoodooLounge13
So this topic got me curious, and I did some digging into the topic of Residencies. Below may not be a comprehensive list, but it is what I have found in my research done this am. Here are the acts that have performed residencies in Vegas:
John Legend
Katy Perry
Adele
Carrie Underwood
Celine Dion
Usher
Lady Gaga
Zedd
Janet Jackson
Gwen Stefani
Drake
The Backstreet Boys
Cardi B
Aerosmith
Lady Antebellum
Bruno Mars
Donny & Marie Osmond
Britney Spears
Jennifer Lopez
Rod Stewart
Calvin Harris
Cher
Elton John
Barry Manilow
Christina Aguilera
Wayne Newton
Mariah Carey
Boyz II Men
Pitbull
Brooks & Dunn & Reba McEntire
Billy Idol
George Strait
Carlos Santana
Diana Ross
Robbie Williams
Def Leppard
Motley Crue
Shania Twain
Guns N Roses
CeeLo Green

Luke Bryan has done a mini residency of 6 shows
Keith Urban was to have had one but only got 4 shows in before COVID, and then filled in for some of the vacated dates when Adele postponed her residency


And let’s not forget those who were residents before there was a residency:
Elvis
Liberace
Sinatra

Others during this time period included:
Nat King Cole
Ella Fitzgerald
Harry Belafonte
Della Reese
Lena Horne
Lionel Hampton
Sammy Davis Jr.
Louis Armstrong
Louis Prima
Edith Piaf
The Andrews Sisters
Maurice Chevalier
Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey
Mel Tormé
Benny Goodman
Gene Krupa
Ginger Rogers
Dinah Shore
The full Rat Pack (Sinatra, Davis Jr, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop, & Peter Lawford)
Lola Falana
Engelbert Humperdinck
Andy Williams
Johnny Mathis
Fats Domino
Gladys Knight
Chuck Berry
Carl Perkins
Hal Linden

And Prince, the Scorpions, Lionel Richie, Kiss (will do one soon). It's by far not just a thing that has beens do. People should change their outdated views on Las Vegas residencies.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 2, 2022 20:48

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Well now we can officially put a fork in them, though really I think that could be said several decades ago. Saw them about 5 years ago, playing the full Joshua Tree album, for very cheap in Buffalo - the only way I would have ever seen them. Glad I can say BTDT, but have never been a fan of Bono's narcissistic ego, or his politics for that matter.


When was the last decent album that U2 released...Joshua Tree back in 1987? Might have to go even a bit further back with The Unforgettable Fire from 1984
I saw them live back in 1983 and had their first few albums, and while they were good back then, never understood how they gained such huge popularity.
I guess it's a similar phenomenon with Springsteen and his massive cult of followers...still going strong after all these years...

Bullshit. Achtung Baby is great. Pop is not 2 bad. All that you can't leave behind is great. How to dismantle an atomic bomb is great. No line on the horizont is for the most part great. So really, I reject that TUF is the last "decent" album.

Agree with most of what you've said. Haven't followed them too closely since No Line which I didn't love, but other than that they've been an exceptional band. For me they warbled a bit with Pop and that whole lemon tour thing but not every experiment works...at least they try.

Re: OT: U2 to open and have residency at $2billion MSG arena las vegas
Posted by: ukcal ()
Date: August 2, 2022 20:58

John Fogerty, Sting, Tom Jones...and The WHO - read somewhere they got £500,000 per show. SO thats why no Stones they would want £5million a show min!..maybe it was $$$

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