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This is what I had always thought to be the origin of the 'tongue'..........Kali.........
Yes - but there're 1000+ depictions of Kali goddess since the year 600 - just have a look at Google Image Search - [www.Google.com] .
That's the version John Pasche saw (presented by Mick) in 1970:
[www.YouTube.com] - Pos. 3:25
John Pasche did this Kali doodle detail in 2020:
[Gramho.com] , [iorr.org]
Yeah, I know there's thousands of interpretations of Kali............bit like the Stones tongue nowadays ...........
I just picked two that I liked............Interesting to learn that's the exact one Mick showed John Pasche
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georgie48
There is a famous interview with Keith Richards (a Rolling Stone magazine from 1971 with Keith on the front page). Keith also talks about the logo and says that it will change over time, etc.
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Well, maybe someone amongst us collected ALL (I only have a modest number) variations on the logo.
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There is a famous interview with Keith Richards (a Rolling Stone magazine from 1972 with Keith on the front page). Keith also talks about the logo and says that it will change over time, etc.
Rolling Stone interview with Keith from August 19, 1971 - [www.RollingStone.com] :
"Especially now that we’ve got Rolling Stones records, with the Kali tongue ... nobody’s gotten into that yet, but that’s Kali, the Hindu female goddess. Five arms, a row of heads around her, a sabre in one hand, flames coming out the other, she stands there, with her tongue out. But that’s gonna change. That symbol’s not going to stay as it is. Sometimes it’ll take up the whole label, maybe slowly it’ll turn to a cock, I don’t know yet."
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georgie48
There is a famous interview with Keith Richards (a Rolling Stone magazine from 1972 with Keith on the front page). Keith also talks about the logo and says that it will change over time, etc.
Rolling Stone interview with Keith from August 19, 1971 - [www.RollingStone.com] :
"Especially now that we’ve got Rolling Stones records, with the Kali tongue ... nobody’s gotten into that yet, but that’s Kali, the Hindu female goddess. Five arms, a row of heads around her, a sabre in one hand, flames coming out the other, she stands there, with her tongue out. But that’s gonna change. That symbol’s not going to stay as it is. Sometimes it’ll take up the whole label, maybe slowly it’ll turn to a cock, I don’t know yet."
Wow! Never seen that one before! HILARIOUS!
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Regarding the stationary items above, I see nothing that proves the sheet of paper w/ tongue stamp is definitively from 1970.
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Therefore, if Pasche's own timeline is to be believed, his version of the logo would have been created in 1971.
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Irix
Bill Wyman or Marshall Chess will (have to) find a letter of RSR in their archives with date (hopefully from end of 1970) that proves the sheet of paper with the tongue stamp is definitively from 1970.
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Irix
The tongue-stamp by John Pasche existed before it was faxed over from London (UK) to NYC and re-drawn by Craig Braun Inc. Ernie Cefalu worked on his tongue-version from the beginning of February 1971 until the end of February 1971. And the Sticky Fingers Album was released on April 23, 1971. But John Pasche might have finalized his Sticky-Fingers-version in 1971. John Pasche's tongue-stamp and his Sticky-Fingers-version are different in design.
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Is there a solid lead that such letters exist in Chess' or Wyman's collections?
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Pasche's timeline and Craig Braun's don't necessarily conflict, imo.
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In any event, I remain interested to see if anything will surface verifying that the Pasche Tongue was designed in 1970.
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Irix
Bill Wyman or Marshall Chess will (have to) find a letter of RSR in their archives with date (hopefully from end of 1970) that proves the sheet of paper with the tongue stamp is definitively from 1970.
Is there a solid lead that such letters exist in Chess' or Wyman's collections? I've read most of the posts but must have missed this bit (apologies).
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The tongue-stamp by John Pasche existed before it was faxed over from London (UK) to NYC and re-drawn by Craig Braun Inc. Ernie Cefalu worked on his tongue-version from the beginning of February 1971 until the end of February 1971. And the Sticky Fingers Album was released on April 23, 1971. But John Pasche might have finalized his Sticky-Fingers-version in 1971. John Pasche's tongue-stamp and his Sticky-Fingers-version are different in design.
Just my opinion, of course, but I don't think Pasche was referring to finalizing a pre-existing, circa 1970 tongue design when, after mentioning his 1970 tour poster design, he made this particular statement: "Then, the following year, that was followed up by another request to go and meet with Jagger to talk about a logo for what was going to be their new label – the new record label and for letterheads and so on". IMO, he was discussing how and when he came to create the logo.
Pasche's timeline and Craig Braun's don't necessarily conflict, imo. Pasche has said that his initial tongue design took 2 weeks to complete. Pure speculation, of course, but the possibility exists that Pasche designed his tongue in January 1971 and that it was faxed to Braun shortly thereafter, as you mention above.
In any event, I remain interested to see if anything will surface verifying that the Pasche Tongue was designed in 1970. Until then, I accept John Pasche's own timeline as to when he designed the logo.