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wonderboy
Very lively discussion.
My take is that now that we're absorbing the loss of Charlie, it frees us up to acknowledge the band is over, too, and that creates all sorts of emotions. In one way, the extended fairytale of the Vegas era can now be looked at in a more critical light. There's also fear that this group of musicians, whose brand was built on friendship and loyalty to each other, will behave in a crass and cold manner. If so, does that mean we were fooled all these years?
For my part, I feel any sorts of 'tributes' and 'do it for Charlie' are ridiculous ideas that don't suit Mick and Keith. But I will be disappointed in Keith if he starts talking about putting a new band together, or some such line of jive. Jagger I have no expectations, not saying this negatively, but he's not a man who has normal human emotions.
The wild cards are the family members. Do Keith's daughters and Ronnie's wives want them to go out on the road in this emotional cauldron. These are fragile old men, after all.
The Stones never had plans to say goodbye. This is the goodbye. I hope they recognize it.
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TheGreek
what else is it about if not for the money
Maybe it's because they enjoy playing together? After all, how could money possibly be a motive given their age and the fact that they are already millionaires several times over? It's not as if they need cash.
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slew
I'm really really tired of this. Let's mourn the loss of Charlie Watts and then we will see what the Rolling Stones decide to do. It is not up to us. The Stones have earned the right to do what they want to do. For right now I am choosing to remember my favorite drummer not speculate on something that I have ZERO control and input on.
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tatters
Is that about right?
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TheGreek
what else is it about if not for the money
Maybe it's because they enjoy playing together? After all, how could money possibly be a motive given their age and the fact that they are already millionaires several times over? It's not as if they need cash.
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maumau
my take is that this should be the end, for a very specific reason
they're not the young creative band fuelled by mick and keith creativity they were when brian died. It is not something comparable with that. They were a lively band with a future back then, they could shape the Rolling Stones with new music. And they did. Oh my, if they did.
But for a long time now they have not been making new music, they toured and toured with the big hits of their catalogue. A still image of a the past.
Charlie is Charlie and it would have been hard to replace even in 69, but now?
If they were a band in fully creative force one could sense something beyond the grief of the loss of Charlie.
but what is the sense in a new drummer, even the great Steve Jordan, to play the 60's and 70's catalogue? that is beyond a nostalgia act
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JumpingKentFlash
Somewhat agree with this, but as you say they’re old. And that is why I think they should have a chance to give a proper farewell.
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retired_dog
If anything, I think it's disrespectful, even presumptuous, to tell the band what to do now, in particular in an authoritative way like "they should/have to/must do this or that" like some here obviously feel entitled to do just because they're fans since oh so long.
The band is free, free to do whatever they want, any old time.
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retired_dog
If anything, I think it's disrespectful, even presumptuous, to tell the band what to do now, in particular in an authoritative way like "they should/have to/must do this or that" like some here obviously feel entitled to do just because they're fans since oh so long.
The band is free, free to do whatever they want, any old time.
Eggzactly! It's amazing that some decide themselves what they thing is distasteful or disrespectable, and think their opinion of that somehow applies to everyone.
Desecrating someone's grave, no question all are in agreement that would be something that qualifies as disrespectful. But making a life decision on whether or not they should continue doesn't fall under that category, by a long shot. Now trying to dictate how others must behave to one's own set of standards, that is disrespectful.
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PTownshend
No.
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TheGreek
what else is it about if not for the money
Maybe it's because they enjoy playing together? After all, how could money possibly be a motive given their age and the fact that they are already millionaires several times over? It's not as if they need cash.
I think it's going to need consensus between Mick, Keith and Ronnie. But yeah, if Mick's not up for it then that's the full stop.
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TheGreek
what else is it about if not for the money
Maybe it's because they enjoy playing together? After all, how could money possibly be a motive given their age and the fact that they are already millionaires several times over? It's not as if they need cash.
I think it's going to need consensus between Mick, Keith and Ronnie. But yeah, if Mick's not up for it then that's the full stop.
The 60th doesn’t really mean much at this point. As Keith said “People get confused about the zeros”. A single show in London, which would serve as the farewell, Charlie tribute, a 60th anniversary and last hurrah could be very nice. Get a few guests along with it, like Paul and Ringo guesting on I Wanna Be Your Man and such. Not contemporary artists, but a few heroes and friends like Springsteen, the two Beatles, maybe Townsend and Daltrey on The Last Time. And again I stress it should be done as a tribute to CW and and as their last show. Have it at the O2, which was the venue of their last world tour show ever.Quote
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JumpingKentFlash
Somewhat agree with this, but as you say they’re old. And that is why I think they should have a chance to give a proper farewell.
I second that, but one last concert could do it. a tour is a different story, and what will happen next year for the 60th anniversary?
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maumau
of course its their decision and I will respect that, of course
also for me it is the end of the rolling stones and that in no way mean that such musicians as mick keith and ronnie should stop playing
hope they all put out music in the future, I will be listening to it, I will buy it
and I will buy stones music from the vaults
I just take it seriously, no Charlie no Stones
just as it would be with Mick and keith
period