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Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 9, 2005 20:07

dear kind patient Keith Guitar Connoisseurs, our friend Kyriakos is hoping to learn
what that 12-string is that Keith's using on Wild Horses in the Four Flicks Twickenham show.

i had a blast trying to figure it out, but of course i still have no idea what exact instrument it is -
it looks like a Guild, but that's as far as i got, and even that much i'm not real sure of.
so i hope someone who knows what they're talking about can help. thank you kindly!

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: ChrisM ()
Date: November 9, 2005 21:00

Can you post a picture Ms Sssoul? I have the DVD but its at home. As soon as I can see it I will know what it is. Failing that a description would be fine.

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 9, 2005 21:24

thank you for taking an interest, ChrisM honey!
hang on, a screenshot is coming up ...



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 9, 2005 21:36

eureka: i do have a picture of it! Keith used the same guitar on Wild Horses at the Gram Parsons Tribute too:


- july 10th 2004, from the Return to Sin City DVD
(courtesy of - you guessed it! - BrownEyedGirll)

as you see, the shot's a bit distorted, but i hope it helps.

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: ChrisM ()
Date: November 9, 2005 23:11

Hmmmm, the pickguard looks like a Guild but the headstock does not. I'll have to see the DVD to get a better look. Anyone else?



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: Wolfgang ()
Date: November 9, 2005 23:11

...well count the string ,....it´s a 10 string ,..I would say special made by one "private" guitar builder.
And it makes sense ,..keith plays WH in open G ,..so a 10 string would be perfect


Wolfgang

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 9, 2005 23:26

>> ... well count the strings ... it´s a 10 string <<

sure enough - cool! :E glad somebody's paying attention! thanks Wolfgang.
that's the clearest shot i have of it, i'm afraid; in FF it really does look like it could be a Guild logo on the headstock -
but i know that's not real credible coming from someone who can't even count strings, so i'll pipe down. have some popcorn. :E

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: November 9, 2005 23:34

It's a Guild 10 string, custom made for Keith. It's basically a 10-string F50, a guitar that's also used by Slash.

Mathijs

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: Wuudy ()
Date: November 10, 2005 00:05

Mathijs, i have a question about "custom made" that i always wanted to know. When a guitar like the Guild 10 string for example is custom made for Keith is it just a special edition of a guiatr or does it has special elements that Keith likes on a guitar like different size or shape or whatever?

Cheers,
Wuudy

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: cc ()
Date: November 10, 2005 02:38

"also used by Slash."

Ouch, that hurts.

cc

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 10, 2005 03:03

with sssoul Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >> ... well count the strings ... it´s a 10
> string <<
>
> sure enough - cool! :E glad somebody's paying
> attention! thanks Wolfgang.
> that's the clearest shot i have of it, i'm afraid;
> in FF it really does look like it could be a Guild
> logo on the headstock -
> but i know that's not real credible coming from
> someone who can't even count strings, so i'll pipe
> down. have some popcorn. :E
>
> "Music, to me, is the joy, right?"
> - Keith
>
> - MSG 1969

I always enjoy your threads, sssoul. But I have to know, what does "have some popcorn" mean? I've seen it over and over and still don't get it. All I know is every time I read it I get a craving for popcorn and have a big batch, and I am developing an intense salt addiction!

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 07:36

thank you as always, Mathijs - i'm grateful for the education (and relieved that i wasn't hallucinating that Guild logo).

and ONNYA, the popcorn is just a sign of good will. no hidden meanings.



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 08:09

two that don't really need illustrating, but i have these beautiful shots handy, so ...


- 1990, Gibson Dove Flattop, by Antonin Kratochvil (courtesy of BrownEyedGirll)


- 2003, Gibson Hummingbird Flattop, by Luis Sanchis

i was reading that vintage guitar site, and was wondering about this statement, which is made about both the Dove and the Hummingbird:
"Because this is a square shoulder guitar, there aren't a lot of collectors interested in this model." (that's on this page: [www.provide.net])
so could anyone explain (please and thank you kindly!) what's with the square shoulders, and why they're less desirable?

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: bruno ()
Date: November 10, 2005 11:36

with sssoul Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> i was reading that vintage guitar site, and was
> wondering about this statement, which is made
> about both the Dove and the Hummingbird:
> "Because this is a square shoulder guitar, there
> aren't a lot of collectors interested in this
> model." (that's on this page: )
> so could anyone explain (please and thank you
> kindly!) what's with the square shoulders, and why
> they're less desirable?

Square shoulders refers to the guitar body shape. If you take the guitar so the neck is its head, you'll clearly see that dreadnoght-type guitars use to have "square" shoulders, while a typical "spanish" guitar use to have rounded shoulders. About collectability, I suppose the author refers to rounded shoulders variations of the model being made at very limited quantities, therefore their collecting value is higher.


[There'll be no wedding today...]

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 11:52

smile: thanks Bruno my dear - i do see the shoulders, just wondered why they're less desirable.
so what does the term "dreadnought" mean in this context - just that square-shouldered shape, or are there other elements that are different as well?
have some popcorn. :E

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: bruno ()
Date: November 10, 2005 12:26

Dreadnought type: "squarer" shape. Martin archetype (sp?)




Jumbo type: Gibson archetype (sp? again) More pronounced bottom curves (like JLo)



[There'll be no wedding today...]

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 12:33

thanks Bruno! and the different shapes result in differences in the sound?
can you tell us something about that, please and thank you and help yourself to all the popcorn you want? :E

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: bruno ()
Date: November 10, 2005 12:42

As an acoustic instrument, (ie. not amplified) I'd say that shape, size, wood, and every aspect of it would result in differences in sound. But I couldn't tell you more about how these differences would result in actual terms of sound...

[There'll be no wedding today...]

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: KYRIAKOS ()
Date: November 10, 2005 12:51

Thanks to everyone! Great guitar topics! Great pics! Now that we are into acoustic ones: Does Keith use classic/spanish nylon-strings guitars? From what I know he's using one in 'Almost hear you sigh'. I think 'Lady Jane' is played on one. I don't know. Any guess?

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 14:04

a couple more ...
first the other guitar that Keith used at the Sin City concerts:


- july 2004, by Jane Rose (courtesy of KeithRichards.com)

and the one on Almost Hear You Sigh - is this the Velasquez fondly known as Guts?


- 1989, by Kevin Mazur (courtesy of KeithRichards.com)


Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 14:09

and an article about Manuel Velasquez ...
[www.cumpiano.com]

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: gwen ()
Date: November 10, 2005 15:00

I read Keith gave one of his Hummingbirds to Alan Clayton. That's quite a gift.

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 20:27

here's a link to a previous thread related to the Velasquez ...
*is* that the one i posted a shot of, from the Almost Hear You Sigh video?
[iorr.org]

ps: in that article about Velasquez i posted a link to above, i smiled when i read that he valued cedar not only for its acoustic qualities
and what it's like to work with, but also for its aroma. engaging all the senses to steal your heart away ... Keith, can i smell your guitar? :E



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: November 10, 2005 21:37

with sssoul Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> and ONNYA, the popcorn is just a sign of good
> will. no hidden meanings.

Got you. In that case, have some popcorn!







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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 22:35

since the CNIB Prodigal Son's being discussed in another thread,
can anyone tell us about this guitar, please and thank you? sure looks pretty!


- CNIB april 22nd 1979, by Richard Aaron



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 10, 2005 23:01

... and a ten-year-leap back to one of my favourite guitars in Keith's fine hands:


- You Gotta Move, nov 27th 1969, by Joseph Sia

here's some information about National resonators:
[www.provide.net]
i take it Keith's was a Style 0 from 1934 or so.



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 12, 2005 13:55

i know we all know what that resonator looked like, but i have these beautiful front and back views handy, so ...


- november 27th 1969, probably by Joseph Sia


- november 27th 1969, by Joseph Sia (courtesy of Jaggergrrl)



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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: ChrisM ()
Date: November 13, 2005 02:59

Hey Ms Sssoul. The guitar Keith is playing in the CNIB photo looks like a Gibson J-200 though I have never seen one with a dual pick guard. Tre Cool! Keep 'em coming!

Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: ChrisM ()
Date: November 13, 2005 03:21

And here's a nice one that I just scanned from my Hawaii '73 Tour program. I think that it may have been taken at the Nicuaragan Benefit the month before but I'm not sure. This is Martin 0018 I believe.





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Re: Keith's acoustic guitars
Posted by: tomk ()
Date: November 13, 2005 03:22

There's no question that Lady Jane was done on a Gibson Hummingbird as was
most of thier acoustic work at that time (mother's little helper, Sittin in a fence, etc....).That a good example of its tone. I should know, I have one
here in my living room. I always prefered Gibson acoustics to MArtins.
Don't ask me why. I just do.
Dylan used a fantastic Gibson acoustic around the same time
called the Nick Lucas Special, a great sounding acoustic.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-11-13 03:24 by tomk.

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