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"Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Spodlumt ()
Date: April 2, 2021 01:07

Ditch "Hold Back," "Winning Ugly," "Back To Zero" and "Too Rude," and replace with "Nobody's Perfect," "Strictly Memphis," "Putty In Your Hands and "I Can't See No One Else," and you have a great album. Three covers, but no turkeys. My two cents...



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Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: April 2, 2021 02:10

"I Can't See No One Else" is a prototype of "One Hit" so that won't work.

Here's what I've got for a 10 song LP, add back Harlem Shuffle after Eliza for a an 11 track LP. First single "One Hit" !

1. One Hit
2. Fight
3. Harlem Shuffle -> Strictly Memphis
4. Hold Back - > Deep Love
5. Too Rude -> What Am I Gonna Do with Your Love
6. Winning Ugly (London Mix - Edited)
7. Back to Zero -> Nobody's Perfect
8. Dirty Work
9. Had It With You -> Back On the Streets (Eliza)
10. Sleep Tonight

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Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: April 2, 2021 03:15

Different - yes

Great ? er..no.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: timmyj3 ()
Date: April 2, 2021 03:29

I am a real freak. I have always really liked Dirty Work.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: MrEcho ()
Date: April 2, 2021 04:06

Quote
Spodlumt
Ditch "Hold Back," "Winning Ugly," "Back To Zero" and "Too Rude," and replace with "Nobody's Perfect," "Strictly Memphis," "Putty In Your Hands and "I Can't See No One Else," and you have a great album. Three covers, but no turkeys. My two cents...
"Dirty Work" as released in 1986 is my favorite album by the band. So, no, the above suggestions won't do it for me.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: April 2, 2021 09:35

Victor Hugo instead of Too Rude and it's a 10 outta 10 for me. I've never understood the slagging off of this album, it ain't Exile but it's an angry little gem.



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Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: April 2, 2021 09:43

1. One Hit
2. Fight
3. She never listen to me (a reggae alternative to Too Rude).
4. Hold Back
5. What Am I Gonna Do with Your Love
6. Deep Love
7. Strictly Memphis
8. Dirty Work
9. Eliza Upchink
10. Sleep Tonight

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: April 2, 2021 11:45

Quote
Spodlumt
Ditch "Hold Back," "Winning Ugly," "Back To Zero" and "Too Rude," and replace with "Nobody's Perfect," "Strictly Memphis," "Putty In Your Hands and "I Can't See No One Else," and you have a great album. Three covers, but no turkeys. My two cents...

I might be the only one on the planet who thinks so, but I think "Winning Ugly" could have been better if they'd worked it a bit more, produced a better sound for the bass, changed the backing vocals and gave it a thicker, more "70's" sound. The song itself has potential, it's just produced very badly.
For the rest I agree with what you want to throw out, and I'd throw out "Fight" too.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: April 2, 2021 14:30

Sounds like you need to listen to the "London Version" of "Winning Ugly" I mentioned above, a huge improvement over the album version, if a bit long ;-)

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Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: April 2, 2021 15:18

I like the Motown vibe of "Winning Ugly". I also like "Too Rude".

BTZ is the most sterile, anti-Exile thing the Stones have ever put out. It sucks musically and lyrically.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: April 2, 2021 16:10

Winning Ugly is beyond redemption!

Rod

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: April 2, 2021 16:23

Quote
MadMax
... I've never understood the slagging off of this album, it ain't Exile but it's a angry little gem.

It gets "slagged" because it's just so terrible.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Rip This ()
Date: April 2, 2021 17:19

can't we just let this one die?...damn that was such a shit record.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Bjorn ()
Date: April 2, 2021 17:30

I like it a lot. Even Back to zero.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: GJV ()
Date: April 2, 2021 20:19

The best thing about DW is the last half minute with the Ian Stewart tribute.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Date: April 2, 2021 20:26

Dirty Work is underrated. It's like people only remember the synth bass on Winning Ugly, Chuck's synth on Back To Zero and the drum sound on Hold Back.

Apart from those horrible things it's a belter of an album (come to think of it, Ronnie’s drumming is also dubious).

The best songs sound excellent:

Harlem Shuffle
Had It With You
One Hit (To The Body)
Fight (yes, I like Mick's barking)
Too Rude
Dirty Work
Sleep Tonight
Key To The Highway

This was not written on April 1, btw smiling smiley

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: bakersfield ()
Date: April 2, 2021 20:42

I absolutely love Winning Ugly. Good tune, great guitar work committed vocal good lyric. What’s not to like?????

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Four Stone Walls ()
Date: April 2, 2021 21:08

Totally agree Bakersfield; the most spontaneous and creative thing they had done for ages. Those guitars and that bass line.

The only track I could do without is Fight; but that slashing rhythm guitar of Keith's has more vital gusto than he'd come up with for a long long tme ( or long long while)

The album has a live feel and is a great tonic after the overworked previous album.



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Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 2, 2021 21:37

Quote
DandelionPowderman
The best songs sound excellent:

Harlem Shuffle
Had It With You
One Hit (To The Body)
Fight (yes, I like Mick's barking)
Too Rude
Dirty Work
Sleep Tonight
Key To The Highway

Apart from Too Rude, I agree with you on that list. It's not an album I play too often, but when I do, I'm always surprised how good it is. And as somebody pointed out, the "London mix" of Winning Ugly is far better - but also, too long.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: April 3, 2021 00:07

I really like Harlem Shuffle...


Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: bakersfield ()
Date: April 3, 2021 00:10

I've said it before. Replace Hold back with Deep Love and Too Rude with Strictly Memphis and you have' a really solid album. I cannot understand how so many contributors here slag it and praise Undercover which was a phoned-in mess, packed with insipid filler like 'Too Tough' with its pallid guitars and by-numbers arrangement and 'All the Way Down' which the Faces would have rejected as B Si, the trite like 'Wanna Told You' and the forgettable 'Pretty Beat Up'.
Dirty Work was a major return to form, alive with engaged vocals, thrilling guitars and good songs. That's how it was received at the time. if only they'd included Deep Love and Strictly Memphis it could have been truly great. I can only imagine that both were casualties of the bitter feud between the Glimmer Twins.

I'll leave the last word to Keith Richards, in an interview with Mat Snow for NME on the release of Dirty Work:

Snow: 'Your last album (Undercover) was dull, it didn't happen at all

Richards: No, it didn't

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: April 3, 2021 00:19

Undercover is a fine album,it has some fillers of course,so what...
But...DW is simply horrible.
Something Nickleback would have been proud of...


Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: bakersfield ()
Date: April 3, 2021 00:31

Well, shortfatfanny can you please explain exactly what is 'horrible' about DW?

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: April 3, 2021 00:35

...in no less than 500 words too please ....



ROCKMAN

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: April 3, 2021 01:13

Quote
bakersfield
Well, shortfatfanny can you please explain exactly what is 'horrible' about DW?

The songs,I don't like them,beside Harlem Shuffle.
The sound...one could say it's a product of the time,
but it's almost always a strange forced toughness which
I don't like...Jaggers barking mirroring this impression to me.
And the Lillywhite production doesn't help at all.
I gave it a short spin track by track...impossible to sit through this crap.
Majority,minority...I don't care about,I will never return listening to
this album ever again...don't get me wrong,if anyone likes it,fine...
That's just me...feel free to enjoy...

Hey Rockman,500 words...I didn't count...but yes,Too Rude isn't that bad...


Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: April 3, 2021 12:12

Quote
gotdablouse
Sounds like you need to listen to the "London Version" of "Winning Ugly" I mentioned above, a huge improvement over the album version, if a bit long ;-)

You mean this one: [www.youtube.com] ?
It's better but the bass is still too sterile and thin.
The synthesizer is still annoying. It's still too "80s".
But I still like the idea of the song: the melody, the bridge, and the idea of the bass line. Some of the guitar licks are cool too.
A pity that it ended up sounding so bloody "80s". But maybe it comes down to that, some people like that sound. Me, I profoundly detest that decade.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: April 3, 2021 13:30

Yep that's the one, a bit too much synthesizer but more pleasant to listen to overall. With a "Strictly Memphis" type of arrangement it would be a lot better for sure and there must be earlier demos too...

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Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: April 3, 2021 13:57

Dirty Work Revisited:

1. One Hit (To The Body)
[youtu.be]

2. What am i gonna do with your Love
[youtu.be]

3. Deep Love
[youtu.be]

4. Fight (early version)
[youtu.be]

5. She Never Listen To Me
[youtu.be]

6. Dirty Work
[youtu.be]

7. Eliza
[youtu.be]

8. Had it with you (early version)
[youtu.be]

9. Breakin'
[youtu.be]

10. Sleep Tonight
[youtu.be]

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: Bjorn ()
Date: April 3, 2021 17:23

I can´t see no one else - has nothing to do with One hit (to the body) as far as I´m concerned. To me it´s just one of those fast Keith-songs: Wanna hold you, Can´t be seen and Heartstopper - or even Connection. But One hit? There´s no similarity at all.

Re: "Dirty Work" was the real missed opportunity
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: April 3, 2021 19:24

Dirty Work was a chance to redeem themselves after the horrible Undercover album. (Too bad such a great song as Undercover of the Night has to be associated with such a nowhere album).

Dirty has a couple great songs, One Hit, and Harlem Shuffle. (A Wyman tour de force). I think Winning Ugly has great lyrics but needed more work. Mick and Keith just didn't seem that interested in working closely at the time.

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