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Taylor1
This idea that Taylor overplayed on the 1973 tour is nonsense.It was superb.And where is the evidence they were playing longer shows in 1975 to compensate for Taylor.If anything Jagger over sings and overgrunts on record and in concert in 1973
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Taylor1
This idea that Taylor overplayed on the 1973 tour is nonsense.It was superb.And where is the evidence they were playing longer shows in 1975 to compensate for Taylor.If anything Jagger over sings and overgrunts on record and in concert in 1973
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Taylor1
He hardly plays on JJ Flash Brussels .I barely hear him in it till the end.It’s all Keith.The Brussels performances of You Can’t Always Get What You Want,(which by the way,Trevor Lawrence takes a much longer solo than Taylor), Midnight Rambler, Angie, Rip This Joint, and Street Fighting Man are the greatest they ever did live
I have every bootleg from the 1973 Tour.I think that covers almost every show.And most have bad sound like they were recorded from a cassette player in the audience.But the musicianship is superb.Much better than the mostly weak performances from 2003 and on.And this is no a knock on the Wood era.I think they were great in 1975,1978,1981 and especially 1989-1990Quote
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Taylor1
He hardly plays on JJ Flash Brussels .I barely hear him in it till the end.It’s all Keith.The Brussels performances of You Can’t Always Get What You Want,(which by the way,Trevor Lawrence takes a much longer solo than Taylor), Midnight Rambler, Angie, Rip This Joint, and Street Fighting Man are the greatest they ever did live
Just out of curiosity, how many 1973 shows have you heard?
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Taylor1
He hardly plays on JJ Flash Brussels .I barely hear him in it till the end.It’s all Keith.The Brussels performances of You Can’t Always Get What You Want,(which by the way,Trevor Lawrence takes a much longer solo than Taylor), Midnight Rambler, Angie, Rip This Joint, and Street Fighting Man are the greatest they ever did live
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Taylor1I have every bootleg from the 1973 Tour.I think that covers almost every show.And most have bad sound like they were recorded from a cassette player in the audience.But the musicianship is superb.Much better than the mostly weak performances from 2003 and on.And this is no a knock on the Wood era.I think they were great in 1975,1978,1981 and especially 1989-1990Quote
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Taylor1
He hardly plays on JJ Flash Brussels .I barely hear him in it till the end.It’s all Keith.The Brussels performances of You Can’t Always Get What You Want,(which by the way,Trevor Lawrence takes a much longer solo than Taylor), Midnight Rambler, Angie, Rip This Joint, and Street Fighting Man are the greatest they ever did live
Just out of curiosity, how many 1973 shows have you heard?
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TravelinMan
I wasn’t criticizing him, I was cutting him some slack. He didn’t have a lot of time. I just want to know why they didn’t play the other 120 or so songs he claimed to learn!
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dcba
I agree. Imho in 75 the band (or Mick?) made one mistake : thinking they had to compensate for the loss of MT by playing much longer gigs.That led to gigs that sometimes lacked some energy (the punishing tour schedule didn't help...).
2Hrs top was more than enough for me. Leave the silly live marathons to Yes or Led Balloon.
They were just following the trend of the mid-70's -everybody was playing much longer than before. Zep was playing 4 hour shows, with half hour drum solo's and half hour Theremin bullshit...
The music industry simply became much more an entertainment industry instead of the art form it was before. People paid more for tickets, and expected to be entertained and get value. They started selling popcorn and soda in the isles of the 1975 shows!
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TravelinMan
I wasn’t criticizing him, I was cutting him some slack. He didn’t have a lot of time. I just want to know why they didn’t play the other 120 or so songs he claimed to learn!
That's easy. Ronnie didn't make the setlists.
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TravelinMan
I wasn’t criticizing him, I was cutting him some slack. He didn’t have a lot of time. I just want to know why they didn’t play the other 120 or so songs he claimed to learn!
That's easy. Ronnie didn't make the setlists.
The set hardly changed!
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Father Ted
I absolutely love Keith's funky bass on the SFTD they do with Clapton on this tour. But Jagger completely misses his cues and muffs up the entire vocal.
This was a band capable of hitting extreme highs and lows simultaneously in the same song. No easy feat!
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I wasn’t criticizing him, I was cutting him some slack. He didn’t have a lot of time. I just want to know why they didn’t play the other 120 or so songs he claimed to learn!
That's easy. Ronnie didn't make the setlists.
The set hardly changed!
That was my point. Ronnie was eager to play those 150 songs he'd learned, but since he didn't make the setlists, he only got play about 30 during the entire tour. If he'd had more input to the choice of songs, maybe they'd played at least double that. Or so I like to think
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Rockman
Dem flared leather pants
musta weighed dose guitar players down ....
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Father Ted
I absolutely love Keith's funky bass on the SFTD they do with Clapton on this tour. But Jagger completely misses his cues and muffs up the entire vocal.
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Father Ted
I absolutely love Keith's funky bass on the SFTD they do with Clapton on this tour. But Jagger completely misses his cues and muffs up the entire vocal.
You refer to a NYC version. What's amazing with these lads is that by the time the tour landed in L.A. 3 weeks later the version of SFTD were close to perfection...
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Four Stone Walls
Later yesterday it threw an LA Forum excerpt at me. Three songs, the first being Happy's.
Keith is SO wasted, he's doing ok on rhythm but struggles to get to the mike for the chorus and even for some of the verses. Mick is having to help him out,; a real effort for Keith to raise his vocal presence.
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By the way Eric, which 73 shows are substandard ( relatively)?
I genuinely don't know. Though DP did once post a clip of an Austrian show late in the tour where Keith seemed wasted.
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But isn't LA Forum the one that gets so many plaudits, as an example of a good 75 show?
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Paul Kersey
The Toronto 17th June show is an outstanding performance and in great audio quality on bootleg.
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jbwelda
Is it a coincidence that they went from performing on stage in 72 and 73 to performing around big stupid props in 75? I do not think so, I think they purposely went for the spectacle to cover their ineptitude musically at that point. Jaggers singing is really bad, as noted, cutting off and slurring words and in general not giving a sh*t about how he sounded or how he sang. The added percussion on fingerprint file for instance is really kool, but Billy Preston was always a drag if you ask me, and in 75 they relied on him a lot more than they should have. It was truly the beginning of the end for exciting well played stage shows out of these guys. That Ronnie has morphed from an adequate guitar player to someone running around the stage, paying more attention to the audience than to his playing, has only hurt matters. These days they rely so much on outside musicians and a stage full of backers and singers that it is beyond the pale, and it all started with the 75 tour, each tour has to be more of a spectacle with less musicianship in display.
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