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Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: February 25, 2021 12:20

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Hairball
The Beatles are already taught at universities ensuring they will never be forgotten.

The Beatles: University of Liverpool offers master's degree in Fab Four > FAB FOUR

And:

6 Universities Where You Can Take a Class on the Beatles > Mop Tops

I thought I read somewhere a couple of years ago that a university was thinking about offering a course on the Stones (?),
but might have been another story on The Beatles, and how they blazed trails and dominated the British Invasion.
Or maybe it was a university course on Dylan, and how he became the so-called "spokesman for his generation".

so what? I'm doing (well funded) research on amateur porn…

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 25, 2021 12:25

.... amateur porn ... always worth a look ...



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Father Ted ()
Date: February 25, 2021 12:52

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exilestones
Gimme Shelter will still be played on the soundtrack of movies.

It'll be the law by then to include it every film

"An ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense" - James A. Van Allen

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Sighunt ()
Date: February 25, 2021 14:35

....as having gathered a little moss...

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgotten?
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: February 25, 2021 15:24

Imho 100 years from now 3 figures will be remembered and lauded : Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan and the Stones.
The rest will be the object of research by train-spotters, just like some very minor 20's-30's Blues figures are now known only to music historians.

The (imo goddamm awful) Beatles will still be studied... in classes of sociology under the "popularity and mass hysteria in 1960's Western world" research section.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Captain Teague ()
Date: February 25, 2021 16:13

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jbwelda
they will be remembered for Altamont unfortunately. And it wasnt even their fault.

Well, at least not mostly.

jb

The general population have no idea about Altamont in current times, let alone in 50 years time.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: February 25, 2021 16:48

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24FPS
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Dan
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dmay
This is an OT as the title of the article relates to John Lennon's song "Imagine" as a touchstone for what follows. It's a bit wonky, but a reference to Elvis Presley in the article made me think about the Stones (and bands/performers from the 1960s forward) and their place in the halls of time. I also thought of all the comments here regarding the magic of VHS tapes as a technological marvel. So, if y'all are ready for a deep dive into the wonky end of the pool....

[getpocket.com]


About as much as the vaudeville legends are today

Jack Benny. W.C. Fields. George Burns and Gracie Allen. Fred and Adele Astaire. Bob Hope. Fanny Brice. Buster Keaton. Houdini. Remembered and revered? Books written about them? Every scrap of vintage film pored over? Okay. If that's their fate.


Aside from occasionally Bob Hope & George Burns - because they were very old and that's not what they were remembered for, the memories of the rest are fading. And no one reads books anymore.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: rollmops ()
Date: February 25, 2021 16:48

The metaphor "rolling stone" is very very old. They turn it into a moniker that is associated with a logo known all over the world and yet eventually less and less people will know that they were a band. They have created something that will outlast their own identity.
Rockandroll,
Mops

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: stickyfingers101 ()
Date: February 25, 2021 16:57

Read "But What If We're Wrong" by Chuck Klosterman....

then have this discussion.

trust me...worth it.

my take: Hendrix will be the "Mozart" of Rock....the Stones and the Beetles will be the "Beethoven" and "Bach"...

AC/DC will come to epitomize what "Rock" is....

Chuck Berry will come to epitomize what "Rock n' Roll" is....

I think Dylan will take more heat for his "borrowing" for one...and I just don't see some fuzzy-headed kid w/ a honky-voice being "The Guy" when people think of "Rock" 100+ years from now....

For the Record: I don't want to start the "Is Bob Dylan a Plagiarist" debate here...but, the very fact that he's been accused means it'll be there in the human-record....so how he is viewed 100+ years from now will depend on how "Plagiarism" is defined and/or viewed....

Heck, people might dump the Stones into the "Cultural Imperialist" bucket and say they aren't worth a crap b/c they "stole" too!

it all depends on what the experience of "being human" is like in 100 years....and the values that creates....b/c it will not be the same as today.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: blivet ()
Date: February 25, 2021 17:35

I imagine that their name at least will be remembered for a long time to come. Every history course covering the second half of the 20th Century will at least mention the youth culture explosion of the time and its pop music scene, and name check the Beatles and the Stones.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: angee ()
Date: February 25, 2021 19:17

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Hairball
...

I thought I read somewhere a couple of years ago that a university was thinking about offering a course on the Stones (?),
but might have been another story on The Beatles, and how they blazed trails and dominated the British Invasion.
Or maybe it was a university course on Dylan, and how he became the so-called "spokesman for his generation".

A few of us here took this online course on the music of The Rolling Stones by John Kovach: [www.coursera.org] and a couple people pointed out its errors.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Love is strong..."
My book about RS Fans:
[www.amazon.com]

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: stickyfingers101 ()
Date: February 25, 2021 19:50

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angee
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Hairball
...

I thought I read somewhere a couple of years ago that a university was thinking about offering a course on the Stones (?),
but might have been another story on The Beatles, and how they blazed trails and dominated the British Invasion.
Or maybe it was a university course on Dylan, and how he became the so-called "spokesman for his generation".

A few of us here took this online course on the music of The Rolling Stones by John Kovach: [www.coursera.org] and a couple people pointed out its errors.

I once took a class called "Revolutionary Concepts in African American Music in the 20thC".....

a million years ago, it twas....but it was amazing.

Archie Shepp taught it...

[dailycollegian.com]

[en.wikipedia.org]

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: February 25, 2021 22:07

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Dan
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24FPS
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Dan
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dmay
This is an OT as the title of the article relates to John Lennon's song "Imagine" as a touchstone for what follows. It's a bit wonky, but a reference to Elvis Presley in the article made me think about the Stones (and bands/performers from the 1960s forward) and their place in the halls of time. I also thought of all the comments here regarding the magic of VHS tapes as a technological marvel. So, if y'all are ready for a deep dive into the wonky end of the pool....

[getpocket.com]


About as much as the vaudeville legends are today

Jack Benny. W.C. Fields. George Burns and Gracie Allen. Fred and Adele Astaire. Bob Hope. Fanny Brice. Buster Keaton. Houdini. Remembered and revered? Books written about them? Every scrap of vintage film pored over? Okay. If that's their fate.


Aside from occasionally Bob Hope & George Burns - because they were very old and that's not what they were remembered for, the memories of the rest are fading. And no one reads books anymore.

No. YOU don't read books anymore. I just finished on on Buster Keaton.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 25, 2021 22:40

Buster Keaton .... what an interesting life ...



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: NilsHolgersson ()
Date: February 25, 2021 23:10

Maybe when the bad behaviour of the boys comes to light they will get canceled like the little Jimmy Saviles they are.. lets hope not tongue sticking out smiley

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: February 26, 2021 01:28

>The general population have no idea about Altamont in current times


The general population have no idea about pretty much anything not being crammed down their throat at any particular moment in time. Keeping that in mind then, the Rolling who?

And I totally read books. Finished two by Nick Kent (largely a waste of time) and about to start on Bill Gates' latest and then on to one I have been meaning to start for some time, The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee. I probably read 10 to 30 books a year depending on their depth and difficulty. Almost none have to do with music or entertainment, almost all are historical or historical fiction.

jb



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Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: February 26, 2021 06:53

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jbwelda
>The general population have no idea about Altamont in current times


The general population have no idea about pretty much anything not being crammed down their throat at any particular moment in time. Keeping that in mind then, the Rolling who?

And I totally read books. Finished two by Nick Kent (largely a waste of time) and about to start on Bill Gates' latest and then on to one I have been meaning to start for some time, The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee. I probably read 10 to 30 books a year depending on their depth and difficulty. Almost none have to do with music or entertainment, almost all are historical or historical fiction.

jb

Music and entertainment can be quite historical. Reading a book on Bix Beiderbecke from the 1920s makes that historical period come alive.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 26, 2021 07:01



Read this one centuries ago ....
Cant remember much about it ... Have ta read again



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: TravellinMan ()
Date: February 27, 2021 05:58

Mick and Ronnie fathered children in their seventies. So assuming normal life expectancy each will be remembered by at least one person 80 years from now.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 27, 2021 09:08

I’ve always felt that these so-called degrees on popular music acts are daft. You can get a degree in anything these days, it seems. It’s the same with universities. They used to be for the very brightest, but now everyone attends.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: tatters ()
Date: February 27, 2021 13:40

Reading thru this thread, I'm reminded of something I saw recently on the hobby of baseball card collecting. It was huge once, and very profitable, too. But, like the collecting of Rock & Roll recordings and related memorabilia, it's a dying hobby. The men in the convention hall buying and selling baseball cards were all around 60 years old. "What is the future of baseball card collecting?" one of them was asked. "It has no future," he answered. "It will end with the people in this room."



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Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 27, 2021 17:41

They'll be remembered for their music. I'm positive it'll continue to be heard.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 27, 2021 23:40

..I'll never forget 'em ........
maybe that's all that matters ...



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: February 28, 2021 03:09

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Rockman


Read this one centuries ago ....
Cant remember much about it ... Have ta read again

He's an elusive creature. There's an interesting book called 'Remembering Bix' by Ralph Berton. He was the younger brother of Bix' drummer, Vic Berton, and got a close up look at Bix. Better yet is a four volume (2 CDs each) collection called Bix Restored. It has every known recording, from the Wolverines through Jean Goldkett, Paul Whiteman, and solo and other recordings with Frankie Trumbauer.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 28, 2021 04:07

One thing for sure... they will be remembered for what is arguably the greatest if not the most recognizable and one of the all time Top Ten logos in history.


Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: tatters ()
Date: February 28, 2021 13:45

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GasLightStreet

One thing for sure... they will be remembered for what is arguably the greatest if not the most recognizable and one of the all time Top Ten logos in history.


The logo will be around forever. I'm already seeing it on the clothing of people who have no idea that it originates with a Rock & Roll band.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: NilsHolgersson ()
Date: February 28, 2021 13:57

Kids will think it's a Kiss logo

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: Natlanta ()
Date: February 28, 2021 14:21

the how forgot part is a toughie.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: February 28, 2021 15:38

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tatters
Reading thru this thread, I'm reminded of something I saw recently on the hobby of baseball card collecting. It was huge once, and very profitable, too. But, like the collecting of Rock & Roll recordings and related memorabilia, it's a dying hobby. The men in the convention hall buying and selling baseball cards were all around 60 years old. "What is the future of baseball card collecting?" one of them was asked. "It has no future," he answered. "It will end with the people in this room."

...and your point is that was wrong, right? Because card collecting is massive now.

Re: OT: How will the Stones be remembered/forgot?
Posted by: NilsHolgersson ()
Date: February 28, 2021 15:47

I don't know about baseball cards but Pokemon card collecting is very hot and happening and breaking records in terms of value per card

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