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Norway Government press conference today just finished, following new info about how fast Omicron is spreading, basically through air to more than 50% of all people in the same room as one person being infected: Mask mandate, max 100 people at private parties, max 600 people at indoor public events.
The new variant Omicron is a game changer, multiple times faster in spreading, if you are in the same room as a person infected with Omicron, the chance is more than 50% you will get covid-19, even if you are fully vaccinated.
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You know there's virologists who predicted that "immune pressure" from vaccinated individuals would cause it to evolve like that.
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You know there's virologists who predicted that "immune pressure" from vaccinated individuals would cause it to evolve like that.
Proof? Who are these virologists? There are doctors who claim lots of nonsense like Scott Atlas or Stella Immanuel.
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You know there's virologists who predicted that "immune pressure" from vaccinated individuals would cause it to evolve like that.
Proof? Who are these virologists? There are doctors who claim lots of nonsense like Scott Atlas or Stella Immanuel.
It's common sense. When you have a vaccine that does not prevent widespread infections among the vaccinated, you are allowing the virus to develop under "immune pressure".
It can be compared to using weakened (overused) antibiotics against resistant bacterial infections that are unable to clear the disease. This can result in the development of even stronger bacterial resistance to antibiotic treatments. This has been a problem in Hospitals for some time now.
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You know there's virologists who predicted that "immune pressure" from vaccinated individuals would cause it to evolve like that.
Proof? Who are these virologists? There are doctors who claim lots of nonsense like Scott Atlas or Stella Immanuel.
It's common sense. When you have a vaccine that does not prevent widespread infections among the vaccinated, you are allowing the virus to develop under "immune pressure".
It can be compared to using weakened (overused) antibiotics against resistant bacterial infections that are unable to clear the disease. This can result in the development of even stronger bacterial resistance to antibiotic treatments. This has been a problem in Hospitals for some time now.
Are you a scientist or virologist? If not this is your opinion. Everyone has one, lust like everyone has an a$$hole. What is your suggestion to the problem? No vaccines?
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Are you a scientist or virologist? If not this is your opinion. Everyone has one, lust like everyone has an a$$hole. What is your suggestion to the problem? No vaccines?
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Are you a scientist or virologist? If not this is your opinion. Everyone has one, lust like everyone has an a$$hole. What is your suggestion to the problem? No vaccines?
Could you stick to the subject and not the person? I won't speculate nor elaborate about who I think you are. Are we here to discuss or insult?
Obviously, vaccines can help protect the vulnerable from serious illness. Overdoing it by vaccinating everyone with a partially effective vaccine will result in the problems mentioned.
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Lets agree to disagree. You may think the vaccine is partially effective, I consider this like the influenza vaccines. Unless you believe the vaccines are the cause influenza strains then this is the same thing. The vaccines are keeping people out of the hospitals, morgues and crematoriums. Isn't that the goal here?
Have you been vaccinated? This IS an important question because someone's unwillingness to get vaccinated is directly correlated to their spewing of anti-vaccination disinformation.
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Norway Government press conference today just finished, following new info about how fast Omicron is spreading, basically through air to more than 50% of all people in the same room as one person being infected: Mask mandate, max 100 people at private parties, max 600 people at indoor public events.
The new variant Omicron is a game changer, multiple times faster in spreading, if you are in the same room as a person infected with Omicron, the chance is more than 50% you will get covid-19, even if you are fully vaccinated.
No info yet on the severity of this version of the virus from the conference?
Hoping that in addition to faster spread it is a much less serious version, which moves us to a 'manageable', endemic stage.
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"When you have a vaccine that does not prevent widespread infections among the vaccinated, you are allowing the virus to develop under "immune pressure".
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These current vaccines *do* prevent widespread infections among the vaxxed, on the whole, from everything I've read.
Am I missing something?
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Lets agree to disagree. You may think the vaccine is partially effective, I consider this like the influenza vaccines. Unless you believe the vaccines are the cause influenza strains then this is the same thing. The vaccines are keeping people out of the hospitals, morgues and crematoriums. Isn't that the goal here?
Have you been vaccinated? This IS an important question because someone's unwillingness to get vaccinated is directly correlated to their spewing of anti-vaccination disinformation.
I agree to compare with the partially effective influenza vaccines. A major difference is there is no global policy to vaccinate everyone with them. So less "vaccine immune pressure" on the mutation of new strains of influenza. Although new influenza strains can develop in a vaccinated individual.
Marek's disease as terraplane brought up is very relevant and alarming, if applied to Covid-19, it means mankind risks having to be continually vaccinated to survive. In that case the current strategy is flawed with nasty implications for the future. We can hope that 'non-leaky' Covid vaccines can be developed in future, but until then it's looking like a risky path.
Just because you don't agree, it does not make me a spewer of disinformation more than yourself. My vaccination status should not have any bearing on this discussion and I will not disclose my medical situation for privacy reasons.
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You know there's virologists who predicted that "immune pressure" from vaccinated individuals would cause it to evolve like that.
Proof? Who are these virologists? There are doctors who claim lots of nonsense like Scott Atlas or Stella Immanuel.
It's common sense. When you have a vaccine that does not prevent widespread infections among the vaccinated, you are allowing the virus to develop under "immune pressure".
It can be compared to using weakened (overused) antibiotics against resistant bacterial infections that are unable to clear the disease. This can result in the development of even stronger bacterial resistance to antibiotic treatments. This has been a problem in Hospitals for some time now.
Are you a scientist or virologist? If not this is your opinion. Everyone has one, lust like everyone has an a$$hole. What is your suggestion to the problem? No vaccines?
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The MAIN purpose of the vaccine is to avoid serious illness and death. Norway have record numbers of covid-19 infections now, especially among young people. Still the number of people in hospitals and on ventilators are acceptable, even if it is high. This is due to the high vaccination rate.
No vaccine experts ever said the vaccine would prevent getting infected, the purpose of the vaccine should be (1) SAFE and (2) EFFECTIVE VS AVOIDING SERIOUS ILLNESS. The vaccine will stop the initial covid-19 variant ("wuhan" version), not so much Alpha, Delta, and certainly not Omicron. But it seems like the vaccine do still protect people and the health system from collapsing.
So far none of the 60 or so people in Norway infected with the new Omicron variant have had any serious illness. They are all fully vaccinated.
The complications from getting covid-19 might be far worse for totally healthy people, vs the rare side effects of the vaccine.
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Eating dirt still might be safer than the Fauci ouchi:
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
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You are welcome to eat lead and arsenic laced dirt.
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You are welcome to eat lead and arsenic laced dirt.
So that was the reason you posted that article about 'Magic dirt'
Next time just post the link, instead of spamming the thread.
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I think Bjornulf’s article about 50-60 vaccinated people getting Covid at the party with 120 in attendance does make one question how well vaccines are preventing infection.
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I think Bjornulf’s article about 50-60 vaccinated people getting Covid at the party with 120 in attendance does make one question how well vaccines are preventing infection.
Nobody ever claimed Vaccines prevent infection!! Their purpose is to prevent you from becoming very sick or dying if you DO get infected!
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I think Bjornulf’s article about 50-60 vaccinated people getting Covid at the party with 120 in attendance does make one question how well vaccines are preventing infection.
Nobody ever claimed Vaccines prevent infection!! Their purpose is to prevent you from becoming very sick or dying if you DO get infected!
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I think Bjornulf’s article about 50-60 vaccinated people getting Covid at the party with 120 in attendance does make one question how well vaccines are preventing infection.
Nobody ever claimed Vaccines prevent infection!! Their purpose is to prevent you from becoming very sick or dying if you DO get infected!
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I think Bjornulf’s article about 50-60 vaccinated people getting Covid at the party with 120 in attendance does make one question how well vaccines are preventing infection.
Nobody ever claimed Vaccines prevent infection!! Their purpose is to prevent you from becoming very sick or dying if you DO get infected!
That’s not exactly correct, at least in the U.S. In late 2020 and into early 2021, the Pfizer and Moderna, and later on, the J&J, were discussed by the media as to their effectiveness in blocking people people from getting the virus and their effectiveness in preventing hospitalization or death. The media led people to feel that the 94-95% effectiveness touted by Pfizer and Moderna meant that only had roughly a 5% chance of catching the virus if they came into contact with someone who was infected.
When the Delta surge showed that breakthrough cases were far greater than they had been pre Delta, the narrative changed to be that the vaccines were designed to prevent hospitalization and death.
I’m not disputing the vaccines effectiveness in preventing serious cases. No one ever said if you are vaccinated you can’t get Covid, but 6-12 months ago, experts were still emphasizing the extremely low odds of catching Covid if you are vaccinated.
I believe this is what created the over confidence in vaccinated people that it’s stupid to continue wearing masks in public. I consistently see online people complain about mask mandates, especially when attending events where they have to show they are vaccinated. They just aren’t getting the message that the vaccines are only one of the things to help and are best combined with masks. Do you really think those 50-60 people that got infected at that party ever thought they would get Covid at a vaccinated only party? The media fueled that over confidence.
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I think Bjornulf’s article about 50-60 vaccinated people getting Covid at the party with 120 in attendance does make one question how well vaccines are preventing infection.
Nobody ever claimed Vaccines prevent infection!! Their purpose is to prevent you from becoming very sick or dying if you DO get infected!