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If vaccination isn’t the green light back to normality then what is?
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The green light is Covid infections and spread is at or near zero. If not enough people get the vaccine WORLDWIDE there will be further mutations and the risk of a mutation that evades the vaccine will exist. There will be some degree of normalcy once one gets vaccines but thinking that if I get a vaccine the world will return to normalcy for me is not reality.
There is more than one set of traffic lights.If Covid is wreaking havoc in one country but a different country has completed its vaccine programme then there is no justification whatsoever for restrictions still being in place in that country.
Right now here in the U.K. we are not allowed to mix with other people.
It would be ludicrous to expect people in New Zealand to be living under the same restrictions.
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The stupidity here in New Zealand is that we got lockdown again for TWO community cases in the same family
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It's an interesting debate, but legal cannabis is part of the agriculture industry, and as such, in states that prioritize the industry there should be no qualms stepping up and getting their shots imo. I got mine in a county that has a lot of farm workers, and when I left it occurred to me that nowhere in the process was my identification required.
I asked one of the attendants about that, thinking they were overlooking it and was told that they do that intentionally as their main focus was getting shots into arms and requiring ID may keep some from doing that.. undocumented etc. Made sense and I'm all for everyone getting it so the fewer barriers the better. I received a detailed record of the vaccination afterwards from the heath department however.
The CDC recommended states prioritize farm workers for the Covid-19 vaccine. Some large agricultural states have not.
Texas and Florida, which have large agricultural populations, have so far left farm workers out of their Covid-19 vaccine rollout, according to state documents.
Because farmworkers risk Covid-19 exposure in the course of their jobs, the CDC proposed that they should be near the front of the vaccination line. But Texas and Florida, which have large farmworker populations, have not included farm workers in their initial rollouts, according to state documents.
Farmworker advocates said the people who pick and process the fruits and vegetables consumers rely on should become inoculated from the virus.
“We believe that farm workers should be a high priority for vaccine distribution because of their essential work and because of the high risk of exposure in the agricultural workplace,” said Alexis Guild, Director of Health Policy and Programs at Farmworker Justice.
In Texas, people who are old enough and have a history of illness are the priority, and that could include agricultural workers, said Douglas Loveday, Texas Department of State Health Services spokesman.
“Right now, agricultural workers 65 and older and those with underlying chronic illnesses that can lead to several illness or death if infected by Covid-19 can be vaccinated,” he said. “Discussions on future priority groups have begun, but nothing has yet been decided.”
Across the U.S., most farm workers are not over 65. According to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average age of farm workers is 39, with over half being younger than 44.
This past summer, Marco Antonio Galvan Gomez, a 49-year-old agricultural worker, died from Covid-19 a few weeks after arriving in Texas.
Similarly, only people 65 years old and older, long-term care facility residents, and health care personnel are authorized to receive vaccines in Florida, even though farm workers in the state have been hit hard by Covid-19. For instance, the Immokalee community in southern Florida, known as the capital of tomato production in the U.S., had dozens of deaths over the summer.
Many workers also live in employer-provided accommodations — often in cramped housing with limited options for social distancing. Among those who don’t live in these facilities, it’s also common to live in crowded conditions.
“For workers who do not work or who do not live in employer-provided housing, they still tend to live in crowded housing conditions because of their low wages,” Guild of Farmworker Justice said. “So it’s very hard for them to socially isolate, socially distance.”
An October study by researchers from the University of California San Diego found that farm workers, especially those who do not speak English and live in poverty, “may be at heightened risk for Covid-19 mortality in non-urban counties.”
All states’ distribution plans for vaccines follow a phased approach, but that differs from state to state.
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The stupidity here in New Zealand is that we got lockdown again for TWO community cases in the same family
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midimannz
The stupidity here in New Zealand is that we got lockdown again for TWO community cases in the same family
I think that "stupidity" is the real reason for the lockdown. People going about their business when they are supposed to be staying home (having been identified as a close contact) and then infecting others is "stupidity".
People not being fully honest with contact tracers is a good definition of "stupidity".
A Lockdown - short and hard - has been shown to work when everyone co-operates. Short term pain for long term gain.
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midimannz
The stupidity here in New Zealand is that we got lockdown again for TWO community cases in the same family
I think that "stupidity" is the real reason for the lockdown. People going about their business when they are supposed to be staying home (having been identified as a close contact) and then infecting others is "stupidity".
People not being fully honest with contact tracers is a good definition of "stupidity".
A Lockdown - short and hard - has been shown to work when everyone co-operates. Short term pain for long term gain.
You'll never have 100% compliance with anything. Heroin is illegal, and kills people everyday... yet there is no shortage of people using it or selling it. Zero Covid is not a realistic or sustainable strategy. New Zealand and Austrlaia can't hide down there forever.
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The stupidity here in New Zealand is that we got lockdown again for TWO community cases in the same family
I think that "stupidity" is the real reason for the lockdown. People going about their business when they are supposed to be staying home (having been identified as a close contact) and then infecting others is "stupidity".
People not being fully honest with contact tracers is a good definition of "stupidity".
A Lockdown - short and hard - has been shown to work when everyone co-operates. Short term pain for long term gain.
You'll never have 100% compliance with anything. Heroin is illegal, and kills people everyday... yet there is no shortage of people using it or selling it. Zero Covid is not a realistic or sustainable strategy. New Zealand and Austrlaia can't hide down there forever.
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georgie48
New Zealand and Australia are a good example on how to tackle the corona virus.
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New Zealand and Australia are a good example on how to tackle the corona virus.
Don't disregard that the single biggest factor here is remoteness.
Nothing to do with the genius, or otherwise, of our political leaders and the good sense or stupidity of the population.
We're (both) a long way from everywhere and have the ability to close/control our borders in a way that few other nations can manage. Geography not politics.
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jbwelda
Great the weed growers get priority.
Face it, the hippies won: can't get a haircut, and weed is legal.
Not that I am complaining, mind you.
But this talk about once the vaccine campaign is in full swing we should revert back to "normal" life with all restrictions dropped is madness. Whatever you are smoking, I want some. No cigars please.
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Nate
Why would you consider it madness to drop all Covid restrictions once everyone who wants a vaccine has been vaccinated therefore eliminating the vast majority of risk of serious illness?
What’s your justification for keeping restrictions in place after the majority of risk has been removed?
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March 21, 2021, I roll up my sleeve and receive the vaccine.
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March 21, 2021, I roll up my sleeve and receive the vaccine.
I get my second on March 11 but I know we cannot change much in terms of masks, etc. until much of the population has received their vaccinations as well.
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It's going to be great fun to see people get vaxxed and then watch those that think they're immune and act "normal". So much liberty being rurnt by a silly little flu bug!
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podiumboy
I am a 38 year old farmer. I'm the 5th generation to work on this farm. We've of course expanded our operation over the years, but we're still very much a family run operation. To be honest, I don't see why I should be prioritized over anybody else my age for a vaccine. Of course, I'll happily take it if available to me. But social distancing was part of my everyday life before it was cool! I spend a large portion of my time by myself, in the middle of nowhere. The only people I interact with on a regular basis, outside of my wife and kids, are my parents and my brother, whom I work with. Occasionally I go to a couple places to pick up parts, supplies and product... but for the most part my life is very socially distanced. I know most farmers are the same.
However, I will say that there is a nearby vegetable farm that employs a lot of migrant workers. These people basically live on top of each other, in dorms or trailers. This was the source of a large outbreak in my area last spring.
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Anyone who chooses to not have the vaccine, and is not medically exempt, will have to miss out.
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Javadave
I have noticed more of the over-65 crowd shopping in my store the last two weekends, many of them long-time regulars, unseen for the better part of a year. I’m guessing they all got vaccinated.
Shots every 2 years? Geez Louise, there’s got to be a better cure than that.
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Javadave
I have noticed more of the over-65 crowd shopping in my store the last two weekends, many of them long-time regulars, unseen for the better part of a year. I’m guessing they all got vaccinated.
Shots every 2 years? Geez Louise, there’s got to be a better cure than that.
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I have noticed more of the over-65 crowd shopping in my store the last two weekends, many of them long-time regulars, unseen for the better part of a year. I’m guessing they all got vaccinated.
Shots every 2 years? Geez Louise, there’s got to be a better cure than that.
No one knows for sure yet, but it’s much more likely to be annual. Covid isn’t going away any time soon , but the vaccines will help us to live alongside it without it killing us.
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I have noticed more of the over-65 crowd shopping in my store the last two weekends, many of them long-time regulars, unseen for the better part of a year. I’m guessing they all got vaccinated.
Shots every 2 years? Geez Louise, there’s got to be a better cure than that.
No one knows for sure yet, but it’s much more likely to be annual. Covid isn’t going away any time soon , but the vaccines will help us to live alongside it without it killing us.
And to allow us to get back to a pre-covid way of living. Well, relatively normal!
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It's going to be great fun to see people get vaxxed and then watch those that think they're immune and act "normal". So much liberty being rurnt by a silly little flu bug!
So, what should these people do? Obey a lock-down that'll no-longer exist? The U.K. will be opening-up this summer. I suspect many will be cautious, of course. Face-coverings may still be worn in some circumstances, but freedom is on the horizon. Covid will be here, but we'll just live alongside it.
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Big Al
Out of curiosity: does anyone here know anyone personally, whose reluctant to get vaccinated? I know people who are uncertain and, one or two who'll only vaccinate if life becomes too restrictive otherwise. I suspect they'll come around as time progresses.