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guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.
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guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.
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pepganzo
Mick Tyalor, friends, Miick Taylor.
What a sound...
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guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
Sure, instruments are better separated in terms left<->right but still... Everything is upfront and in your face. There is not breath and space in the record. You just hear everything at the same level, nothing is hidden.Quote
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ironbellyGuys,Quote
guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
It's perfectly possible that the mix is improved AND that the record is brickwalled because of the mastering, though (as might be the case here)
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ironbellySure, instruments are better separated in terms left<->right but still... Everything is upfront and in your face. There is not breath and space in the record. You just hear everything at the same level, nothing is hidden.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
ironbellyGuys,Quote
guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
It's perfectly possible that the mix is improved AND that the record is brickwalled because of the mastering, though (as might be the case here)
Sure. Tonality of the instruments is different.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
ironbellySure, instruments are better separated in terms left<->right but still... Everything is upfront and in your face. There is not breath and space in the record. You just hear everything at the same level, nothing is hidden.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
ironbellyGuys,Quote
guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
It's perfectly possible that the mix is improved AND that the record is brickwalled because of the mastering, though (as might be the case here)
Not only are they placed, panned and separated better, but Martin has also worked with the instruments' tone.
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DandelionPowderman
I'm pretty sure this mix will be awesome on vinyl.
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ironbelly
But still... That strange muddy (and a bit mystic) sound is gone. I am not sure I want to have all in my face. And for sure I do not want to hear some screams that were hidden in the old mix . BTW, the beginning of Coming Down Again is very strange. Bass on the same level as other instruments and then you got extremely loud PUSHSHSHSFFFF from Charlie. Not natural at all. Or at best very different from what we heard for 47 years.
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ironbellySure. Tonality of the instruments is different.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
ironbellySure, instruments are better separated in terms left<->right but still... Everything is upfront and in your face. There is not breath and space in the record. You just hear everything at the same level, nothing is hidden.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
ironbellyGuys,Quote
guezeg
I'm loving the remix so far. DWMD, ST, CYHTM and SF's dynamics are greatly improved. More detailed vocals and instruments, punchier drums give them much more consistency.drinkuse the word 'dynamics' responsibly.
For this release there is virtually no dynamics. The record is brickwalled.
Old CBS CD has average DR11 with tracks in 10-12 range
Virgin CD has similar values (DR 10-12) but is a tad louder.
2009 remaster (the hated one) is DR6 with tracks in 5-7 range
2013 Japanese flat transfer DR10 (9-11)
2020 new mix DR6 (Silver Train DR4, Star, Star DR5). In places it is worth in terms of dynamics than 2009 remaster.
The fact that some instruments and/or vocals sound louder or can be heard more clear does not necessarily mean the record has better dynamic range. Punch and loudness, or better to say - brickwall is the proper term for this record, but not dynamics.
It's perfectly possible that the mix is improved AND that the record is brickwalled because of the mastering, though (as might be the case here)
Not only are they placed, panned and separated better, but Martin has also worked with the instruments' tone.
But still... That strange muddy (and a bit mystic) sound is gone. I am not sure I want to have all in my face. And for sure I do not want to hear some screams that were hidden in the old mix . BTW, the beginning of Coming Down Again is very strange. Bass on the same level as other instruments and then you got extremely loud PUSHSHSHSFFFF from Charlie. Not natural at all. Or at best very different from what we heard for 47 years.
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DandelionPowderman
I'm pretty sure this mix will be awesome on vinyl.
Yes it is
Todays CDs or other digital formats are very frequently so brickwalled, that it is no fun for me listening to those crappy mastered music.
One or two songs...ok, but the whole CD/Download in one piece...nope.
Back in the days, i guess in 2018, a good friend of mine was at my home for our regularly listening session (twice a month).
We were listening to Elvis Costellos "Look now" record, it´s a great sounding piece of vinyl.
A few days later he bought the CD.
A few weeks later he bought himself an record player, and stopped buying CDs (he owns about 6000) -except for some Jazz und CDs from small labels.
I would never say that all the records sound good or are better than the CD Version (how could i, don´t know them all), there are good sounding CDs out there, but the possibility that the record sounds better is really high.
When started the brickwalling thing - late 90s?
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
dubclubQuote
DandelionPowderman
I'm pretty sure this mix will be awesome on vinyl.
Yes it is
Todays CDs or other digital formats are very frequently so brickwalled, that it is no fun for me listening to those crappy mastered music.
One or two songs...ok, but the whole CD/Download in one piece...nope.
Back in the days, i guess in 2018, a good friend of mine was at my home for our regularly listening session (twice a month).
We were listening to Elvis Costellos "Look now" record, it´s a great sounding piece of vinyl.
A few days later he bought the CD.
A few weeks later he bought himself an record player, and stopped buying CDs (he owns about 6000) -except for some Jazz und CDs from small labels.
I would never say that all the records sound good or are better than the CD Version (how could i, don´t know them all), there are good sounding CDs out there, but the possibility that the record sounds better is really high.
When started the brickwalling thing - late 90s?
Early 2000s.
I second that. The vinyl sounds excellent Listening right now.