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Like McCartney needed Lennon to hold back the maudlin vaudevillian tendencies, Jagger needs Richards to rein in his worst instincts.
LOL!
I never fully warmed to GHS. I'd say it's an OK album but not a great one. (Today of course we would be happy if they came up with an album of similar quality...) But the outtakes I heard sound very interesting so I'm hoping there will be a bunch of good ones.
I totally agree.
Until Steel Wheels, I used to think GHS was their worst album, precisely because of the lack of high quality rock songs. Angie as the first single says it all.
Heartbreaker is the bomb.
There are few Stones social commentary songs that I like, and The Doo Doo Song isn't one of them. The opening riff is played on a Clavinet! How awful is that?
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exactly the kind of quote I expect out of Sir Mick, Like a bunch of rock songs would be bad...instead lets give em Emotional Rescue and Indian Girl (later, I know). Although I like GHS, it pales to albums full of a bunch of rock songs, and its clear who the instigator is. Some times I really wonder about that guys taste in music. Like McCartney needed Lennon to hold back the maudlin vaudevillian tendencies, Jagger needs Richards to rein in his worst instincts.
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I used to feel that way, but the older I get the more I look at other facts like..."Angie" being primarily a Keith song or "Heartbreaker" starting out as a Keith song. "Coming Down Again" is also a ballad. "Dancing with Mr. D" and even "Can You Hear the Music?" in their earliest embryonic forms were Keith's ideas. So what did Mick bring to the table? "A Hundred Years Ago" (written in 1970 according to Mr. Taylor), "Silver Train" (out of the live arrangement of "All Down the Line"), "Hide Your Love" (because Ahmet asked for one of their improvised piano blues to be included), "Winter" (a work-in-progress since "Blood Red Wine") and "Star, Star" (all Mick according to Keith, but clearly inspired by the Chuck Berry covers they were playing in concert).
Over time, I've learned to pay less attention to either of their sweeping generalizations and more to the details. EXILE isn't really Keith's baby. If it was we wouldn't have "Shine a Light" or "Stop Breaking Down" or "Ventilator Blues," among others. DIRTY WORK isn't really all Keith either. Mick worked very hard on shaping "One Hit" with Keith and was responsible for most or all of the lyrics to "Fight," "Hold Back," "Dirty Work," and "Had It With You." While the final version of "Sleep Tonight" is all Keith, Mick took a stab at a pinch-hitter ballad of his own ("Your Love"). Popular opinion would say Mick's only contributions were "Winning Ugly" and "Back to Zero." Likewise, SOME GIRLS and EMOTIONAL RESCUE contain plenty of Keith songs despite the viewpoint they are Mick's albums. Keith was also very involved with UNDERCOVER including reshaping the musical direction of the title track. They obscure most of this in their generalizations to either hog credit for themselves or shift blame on the other. It's not a Mick issue or a Keith issue. They both do it. Among creative partners, it's typical to try to take the lion's share of the credit for success and to avoid sharing the blame for failure. Human nature.
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Plundered My Soul would be nowhere near as good as it is if the current Rolling Stones would've recorded it.
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Like McCartney needed Lennon to hold back the maudlin vaudevillian tendencies, Jagger needs Richards to rein in his worst instincts.
LOL!
I never fully warmed to GHS. I'd say it's an OK album but not a great one. (Today of course we would be happy if they came up with an album of similar quality...) But the outtakes I heard sound very interesting so I'm hoping there will be a bunch of good ones.
I totally agree.
Until Steel Wheels, I used to think GHS was their worst album, precisely because of the lack of high quality rock songs. Angie as the first single says it all.
Heartbreaker is the bomb.
There are few Stones social commentary songs that I like, and The Doo Doo Song isn't one of them. The opening riff is played on a Clavinet! How awful is that?
It's awful great, that's how awful it is. It's so good they've NEVER performed it live worth a goddamn.
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Like McCartney needed Lennon to hold back the maudlin vaudevillian tendencies, Jagger needs Richards to rein in his worst instincts.
LOL!
I never fully warmed to GHS. I'd say it's an OK album but not a great one. (Today of course we would be happy if they came up with an album of similar quality...) But the outtakes I heard sound very interesting so I'm hoping there will be a bunch of good ones.
I totally agree.
Until Steel Wheels, I used to think GHS was their worst album, precisely because of the lack of high quality rock songs. Angie as the first single says it all.
Heartbreaker is the bomb.
There are few Stones social commentary songs that I like, and The Doo Doo Song isn't one of them. The opening riff is played on a Clavinet! How awful is that?
It's awful great, that's how awful it is. It's so good they've NEVER performed it live worth a goddamn.
Cirkus Stockholm (2003) was pretty good....IMO.
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[HB]'s awful great, that's how awful it is. It's so good they've NEVER performed it live worth a goddamn.
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Like McCartney needed Lennon to hold back the maudlin vaudevillian tendencies, Jagger needs Richards to rein in his worst instincts.
LOL!
I never fully warmed to GHS. I'd say it's an OK album but not a great one. (Today of course we would be happy if they came up with an album of similar quality...) But the outtakes I heard sound very interesting so I'm hoping there will be a bunch of good ones.
I totally agree.
Until Steel Wheels, I used to think GHS was their worst album, precisely because of the lack of high quality rock songs. Angie as the first single says it all.
Heartbreaker is the bomb.
There are few Stones social commentary songs that I like, and The Doo Doo Song isn't one of them. The opening riff is played on a Clavinet! How awful is that?
It's awful great, that's how awful it is. It's so good they've NEVER performed it live worth a goddamn.
Cirkus Stockholm (2003) was pretty good....IMO.
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Coming in from all channels..? What do you mean, DP?
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Coming in from all channels..? What do you mean, DP?
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Coming in from all channels..? What do you mean, DP?
Without listening I’m going to guess a stereo tape delay.
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Plundered My Soul would be nowhere near as good as it is if the current Rolling Stones would've recorded it.
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder
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Plundered My Soul would be nowhere near as good as it is if the current Rolling Stones would've recorded it.
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder
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Thank God the Stones have never gone that route. I think I bought a Little Richard, and a Chuck Berry album years where they re-recorded their hits. Terrible.
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For the Goats Head reissue,do Wyman andTaylor get any money and does Wood
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Coming in from all channels..? What do you mean, DP?
Without listening I’m going to guess a stereo tape delay.
Yep, there’s tape delay ALL over this track. I never really noticed the sax beginning at 2:12. Some strange things going on with the vocals as well like at 0:46.
As far as other takes, they could be bleeding from microphones on the piano track rather than dedicated tracks of their own. Taylor may have overdubbed his final guitar part, but some of his basic track is in the keeper piano part, for instance.
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For the Goats Head reissue,do Wyman andTaylor get any money and does Wood
Ronnie doesn't. Bill / Mick T. depends if they have sold their rights or not. I guess Bill still gets royalties.
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Coming in from all channels..? What do you mean, DP?
Without listening I’m going to guess a stereo tape delay.
Yep, there’s tape delay ALL over this track. I never really noticed the sax beginning at 2:12. Some strange things going on with the vocals as well like at 0:46.
As far as other takes, they could be bleeding from microphones on the piano track rather than dedicated tracks of their own. Taylor may have overdubbed his final guitar part, but some of his basic track is in the keeper piano part, for instance.
The guitar track is wandering from left channel to right channel, and on one of the solos from center to left during the solo! The volume varies. That tells me there are more takes, splices and/or editing.
Great solos, but a weird listening experience.
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For the Goats Head reissue,do Wyman andTaylor get any money and does Wood
Ronnie doesn't. Bill / Mick T. depends if they have sold their rights or not. I guess Bill still gets royalties.
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Coming in from all channels..? What do you mean, DP?
Without listening I’m going to guess a stereo tape delay.
Yep, there’s tape delay ALL over this track. I never really noticed the sax beginning at 2:12. Some strange things going on with the vocals as well like at 0:46.
As far as other takes, they could be bleeding from microphones on the piano track rather than dedicated tracks of their own. Taylor may have overdubbed his final guitar part, but some of his basic track is in the keeper piano part, for instance.
The guitar track is wandering from left channel to right channel, and on one of the solos from center to left during the solo! The volume varies. That tells me there are more takes, splices and/or editing.
Great solos, but a weird listening experience.
Or the engineer went nuts with the pan pots. They were in Jamaica after all
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For the Goats Head reissue,do Wyman andTaylor get any money and does Wood
Ronnie doesn't. Bill / Mick T. depends if they have sold their rights or not. I guess Bill still gets royalties.
I'm pretty sure Bill mentioned he was aware of these projects, because he gets paid from them. They probably have to negotiate with him. Maybe that's why some of them have very few pix of Bill in them.
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I like the version of [1973-09-09] Heartbreaker on Bedspring Symphony but it does sound like it's going to fall apart mid way through.
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Plundered My Soul would be nowhere near as good as it is if the current Rolling Stones would've recorded it.
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder
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Thank God the Stones have never gone that route. I think I bought a Little Richard, and a Chuck Berry album years where they re-recorded their hits. Terrible.