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What other musicians??????) Where are you getting this from???? Sound like complete bullshit to me.Quote
mickschix
Such thin-skinned folks!! It is a FACT that Blondie played off-stage to " fill in" for Keith during his " semi-conscious period!". And I agree with TOMMYCHARLES, it's Chuck who does a lot of very clever configuring...which SOME PEOPLE hate to admit....I never could figure out why there's such pockets of hate directed at Chuck. If you're a real Stones fan you should be happy that Chuck adds such depth and real artistry to the band. Mick KNOWS and as long as Mick appreciates Chuck, he's staying in the band. I don't think anyone ever said there was an entire BAND backstage playing INSTEAD of the Stones. I do think there was more than just Blondie though....can anyone substantiate that? Who might the other musicians have been?
Yes they use a backing track for sftd and htw since 1989, yes Blondie would strum a barely audible guitar backstage on the first few songs and then on stage but what does this have to do with what the writer of the article is suggesting?Quote
CaptainCorella
There's no doubt that the Stones do use a pre-recorded backing track for Sympathy for the Devil.
Help from others on stage is no crime. If you watch the 'Concert for George' you'll see that Eric Clapton is 'shadowed' (my term) by another player for most of the time - but he keeps the great solos for himself. Fair enough in my book as he was basically 'leading' the band and had to be cut some slack for that.
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KetWhat other musicians??????) Where are you getting this from???? Sound like complete bullshit to me.Quote
mickschix
Such thin-skinned folks!! It is a FACT that Blondie played off-stage to " fill in" for Keith during his " semi-conscious period!". And I agree with TOMMYCHARLES, it's Chuck who does a lot of very clever configuring...which SOME PEOPLE hate to admit....I never could figure out why there's such pockets of hate directed at Chuck. If you're a real Stones fan you should be happy that Chuck adds such depth and real artistry to the band. Mick KNOWS and as long as Mick appreciates Chuck, he's staying in the band. I don't think anyone ever said there was an entire BAND backstage playing INSTEAD of the Stones. I do think there was more than just Blondie though....can anyone substantiate that? Who might the other musicians have been?
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tommycharles
U2 have used backing tapes since 1984, and an offstage keyboard player since 1991. It, too, is not a secret, but the official recording of their 2015/2018 shows is pretty depressing with respect to just how much is on tape.
What happened to coming up with "road" versions of songs that could be played just by the people on stage?!
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CaptainCorella
There's no doubt that the Stones do use a pre-recorded backing track for Sympathy for the Devil.
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CaptainCorella
There's no doubt that the Stones do use a pre-recorded backing track for Sympathy for the Devil.
From what all I can recall reading a long time ago they use samples, not recordings, for SFTD since 1989 (the same with the cowbell for HTW).
U2's shows... they want the big production to sound like the records so... that's what they do. I've never heard a U2 fan complain.
If people want to say U2 cheat than so do the Stones. But neither of them cheat like Madonna and Britney and the silly boybands etc, who all lip sync to recordings, some of them apparently from the albums.
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Rocky Dijon
Back-up singers, a brass section, a keyboard simulating guitars, basslines, and rhythm tracks is really quite enough.
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powerage78
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Rocky Dijon
Back-up singers, a brass section, a keyboard simulating guitars, basslines, and rhythm tracks is really quite enough.
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The Sicilian
Didn't The Who use Simon Townshend off the stage for years to add fill in sound?
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Rocky Dijon
Bard, what you described is what I meant. You just said it better.
What I was trying to convey was they already have plenty of support musicians touring with them, they don't need a backup band behind the curtain or under the stage.
I could argue how the role of keyboards changed from Mac to Chuck and/or Matt, but you already know that. You have keyboard lines extending the guitar solo (if that's the right way to say it) on something like "Can't Be Seen" or covering for the opening riff on "Sad, Sad, Sad" instead of playing alongside the guitars the way Mac would on "Miss You" or "Beast of Burden." I love Chuck in the studio on something like "Harlem Shuffle" or "Tie You Up" or "Mixed Emotions" or even "Dirty Work." I love Matt in the studio on "Terrifying" or "Continental Drift" or "Break the Spell." I understand the role of keyboards is now needed to fill in the sound, but it's unfortunate. It's no different than the way Ronnie used Andy Wallace a few years ago. It's become keyboards plus when I just prefer old fashioned keyboards with no filling or covering required.
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SomeGuy
Of course the interlude in 2,000 Light Years From Home on the Steel Wheels tour is a rare example of keyboards actually simulating a guitar solo sound. But I'm sure that it was never meant to fool us into thinking it was Keith or Ronnie playing that. For the rest, keyboards obviously fill up the sound but they're not simulated guitar parts.
Prerecorded sound effects are being used by a lot of bands and everyone knows that they're just extra effects, not actually being performed live by the band.
The important thing is, is whether or not the band members are miming or not. Does Charlie (or anyone for that matter) pretend to actually play a cowbell at the start of HTW? Are there percussionists pretending to play congas and stuff during SFTD?
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SomeGuy
Of course the interlude in 2,000 Light Years From Home on the Steel Wheels tour is a rare example of keyboards actually simulating a guitar solo sound. But I'm sure that it was never meant to fool us into thinking it was Keith or Ronnie playing that. For the rest, keyboards obviously fill up the sound but they're not simulated guitar parts.
Prerecorded sound effects are being used by a lot of bands and everyone knows that they're just extra effects, not actually being performed live by the band.
The important thing is, is whether or not the band members are miming or not. Does Charlie (or anyone for that matter) pretend to actually play a cowbell at the start of HTW? Are there percussionists pretending to play congas and stuff during SFTD?
On the first official japenese From the vault-release Keith is actually sabotaging Matt by playing insanely loud licks during his piece. They kept it that way on the album
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The Sicilian
Didn't The Who use Simon Townshend off the stage for years to add fill in sound?
Both on and off stage, but not in the 1971/1972 period. He was too young (born in 1960). The stages used by The Who (Liverpool, Amsterdam) in that period were very simple ... no curtains. Occasionally a guy appeared on stage modestly doing something to equipment at the background. But Baba O'Riley for instance was played with the exact sound as on the album (and no keyboard or synthesizer person present).
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SomeGuy
Of course the interlude in 2,000 Light Years From Home on the Steel Wheels tour is a rare example of keyboards actually simulating a guitar solo sound. But I'm sure that it was never meant to fool us into thinking it was Keith or Ronnie playing that. For the rest, keyboards obviously fill up the sound but they're not simulated guitar parts.
Prerecorded sound effects are being used by a lot of bands and everyone knows that they're just extra effects, not actually being performed live by the band.
The important thing is, is whether or not the band members are miming or not. Does Charlie (or anyone for that matter) pretend to actually play a cowbell at the start of HTW? Are there percussionists pretending to play congas and stuff during SFTD?
On the first official japenese From the vault-release Keith is actually sabotaging Matt by playing insanely loud licks during his piece. They kept it that way on the album
By the way, I said interlude but of course I meant the ending. There's a clearer recording than Tokyo Dome that has the keyboard part in question mixed right in your face, not the cd single edit but the full version from the Barcelona show.