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I dunno, T Rex were super influential on the glam scene. I would think T Rex and the New York Dolls should both be in.Quote
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keefriff99
I don't have a problem with who got in. Just pisses me off that they're so anti-heavy metal. Motorhead and Judas Priest absolutely deserve to be in.
People like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden deserve it way more than Doobie Brothers or even T Rex, who I love but come on, T Rex?! Sorry, this is scraping the bottom of the barrel when there are still acts who actually deserve it.
The only one I think is deserving is Nine Inch Nails and I'm not even a fan of them.
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keefriff99I dunno, T Rex were super influential on the glam scene. I would think T Rex and the New York Dolls should both be in.Quote
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keefriff99
I don't have a problem with who got in. Just pisses me off that they're so anti-heavy metal. Motorhead and Judas Priest absolutely deserve to be in.
People like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden deserve it way more than Doobie Brothers or even T Rex, who I love but come on, T Rex?! Sorry, this is scraping the bottom of the barrel when there are still acts who actually deserve it.
The only one I think is deserving is Nine Inch Nails and I'm not even a fan of them.
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daspyknows
Whitney Houston isn't even in the barrel.
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keefriff99She had one of the most incredible voices in the history of pop music. That counts for something.Quote
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Whitney Houston isn't even in the barrel.
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Big Al
If the Hall of Fame were not so U.S. centric, T.Rex may have been inducted already. Bolan wrote such infectious rock and pop. He was probably Bowie’s closest competitor in the early 70’s.
That's a good point. Even after almost 70 years, the term "rock'n'roll" still has a COOL factor to it. I'm sure a lot of these traditionally non-rock inductees like having that currency attached to their names.Quote
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keefriff99She had one of the most incredible voices in the history of pop music. That counts for something.Quote
daspyknows
Whitney Houston isn't even in the barrel.
It doesn't really count for anything in a Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame though. As you mentioned, they should just rebrand it as the Pop Hall Of Fame at this point, and until they do it does seem laughable that rap people or people like Whitney Houston are considered. Some rap acts transcended, most did it, and regardless of their name and talent I wouldn't merit them in this hall.
They keep it as the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame because it sounds cooler. If you ditched that name, its basically just the Grammys, which is what they never wanted to be. These people that don't belong like Janet Jackson and others actually prefer that it is this name. Represents more crossover and I think it makes them feel more accomplished. They are accomplished in their own right, nothing against them, but many don't belong in this Hall. The place really went off the rails around 2005, and now its just ridiculous.
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keefriff99She had one of the most incredible voices in the history of pop music. That counts for something.Quote
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Whitney Houston isn't even in the barrel.
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keefriff99
Here's an interesting site detailing who's on the nominating committee every year:
[www.futurerocklegends.com]
Jann Wenner hasn't technically been on the committee since 2006, although I'm sure he obviously still has a lot of sway.
It's not a bad list of people honestly...surprised their choices aren't better given names like:
Cliff Burnstein
Anthony DeCurtis
David Fricke
Dave Grohl
Jon Landau
Tom Morello
Robbie Robertson
Paul Shaffer
Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson
Steven Van Zandt
Lenny Kaye is there too...I just picked out the people who I recognized. This is the full list:Quote
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keefriff99
Here's an interesting site detailing who's on the nominating committee every year:
[www.futurerocklegends.com]
Jann Wenner hasn't technically been on the committee since 2006, although I'm sure he obviously still has a lot of sway.
It's not a bad list of people honestly...surprised their choices aren't better given names like:
Cliff Burnstein
Anthony DeCurtis
David Fricke
Dave Grohl
Jon Landau
Tom Morello
Robbie Robertson
Paul Shaffer
Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson
Steven Van Zandt
Its a great list of people, that should be well rounded and knowledgeable. The only name I'd really see missing there is maybe someone like Lenny Kaye, although I guess if we're talking about deserving people he's more an underground one hit wonder guy.
Its a solid list of people, and yeah it baffles me year in and year out how its not a better selection. I always think there must be more to that than just those people's opinions. Cause I don't know who in that group is nominating and voting for Whitney Houston, just saying. Or Notorious BIG for that matter.
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RollingFreak
They got there by blowing Jan Wenner. I'm surprised Cameron Crowe isn't on there.
As for David Fricke, yeah he's an ass kisser now but that seems like a really weird reason not to like him. 1. because thats an observation many have made. 2. Because its not altogether incorrect. He is in what most people would probably consider top 5 significant musical deaths since Lennon, whether you liked Nirvana or not. He was that kind of person to many at that time.
I hate what he's become but thats a minor thing you seem to be blowing up.
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keefriff99
I've given up complaining about rappers and pop stars being inducted. I like most classic hip hop acts anyway, even though they don't technically belong there based on the NAME OF THE INSTITUTION.
Maybe change the name of the Hall to the "Modern Music Hall of Fame"? That sounds dumb, but it would be a more accurate description of what the Hall has morphed into.
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keefriff99
I've given up complaining about rappers and pop stars being inducted. I like most classic hip hop acts anyway, even though they don't technically belong there based on the NAME OF THE INSTITUTION.
Maybe change the name of the Hall to the "Modern Music Hall of Fame"? That sounds dumb, but it would be a more accurate description of what the Hall has morphed into.
I think about this too. And I guess in theory I'm OK with it including 'non-rock acts'. And we all have our pet peeves, but OK, so B.I.G. and Whitney are in there before, Oh...Willie Nelson for starters?
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RollingFreak
They got there by blowing Jan Wenner. I'm surprised Cameron Crowe isn't on there.
As for David Fricke, yeah he's an ass kisser now but that seems like a really weird reason not to like him. 1. because thats an observation many have made. 2. Because its not altogether incorrect. He is in what most people would probably consider top 5 significant musical deaths since Lennon, whether you liked Nirvana or not. He was that kind of person to many at that time.
I hate what he's become but thats a minor thing you seem to be blowing up.
Yeah it was hugely significant musical death, but Cobain was my generations Kurt Cobain.. Not the John Lennon of the 90s. It’s a minor thing for sure, but 20 odd years of reading interviews re Nirvana with Fricke, he mentions almost each interview the Lennon Cobain comparison.
Cobain and Nirvana were NEVER The Beatles and John Lennon. Fricke himself puts him there. Not as a significant loss of talent, but used the actual “John Lennon of our Generation” Two different messages , I wonder if Lennon might have looked down on Nirvana even?
I dunno, guy bugs me. I let it out here. I apologize.
I'm the same age as you and I can remember girls crying in high school when the news was announced. It was a huge event even though I wasn't a big Nirvana fan at the time.Quote
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RollingFreak
They got there by blowing Jan Wenner. I'm surprised Cameron Crowe isn't on there.
As for David Fricke, yeah he's an ass kisser now but that seems like a really weird reason not to like him. 1. because thats an observation many have made. 2. Because its not altogether incorrect. He is in what most people would probably consider top 5 significant musical deaths since Lennon, whether you liked Nirvana or not. He was that kind of person to many at that time.
I hate what he's become but thats a minor thing you seem to be blowing up.
Yeah it was hugely significant musical death, but Cobain was my generations Kurt Cobain.. Not the John Lennon of the 90s. It’s a minor thing for sure, but 20 odd years of reading interviews re Nirvana with Fricke, he mentions almost each interview the Lennon Cobain comparison.
Cobain and Nirvana were NEVER The Beatles and John Lennon. Fricke himself puts him there. Not as a significant loss of talent, but used the actual “John Lennon of our Generation” Two different messages , I wonder if Lennon might have looked down on Nirvana even?
I dunno, guy bugs me. I let it out here. I apologize.