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Ah thanks! Apologies if I made you repeat yourself.. as with many things we sometimes have to hear them more than once to catch what’s said

Also, those pics you posted mentioning playing some of his instruments, for some reason they don’t show up when I click, any chance of posting them in some other format?

Either way, thx again

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Best looking through the facebook page: [www.facebook.com]

Pic links seem to time out when posted elsewhere.

Checked out your site, awesome! One post that was interesting was the blonde girl in the audience at the TAMI show. Always thought she was very beautiful and now I read she dated Jeff Beck shortly after!

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I think the CCR thing, along with many things relating to Brian, has been overblown through repetition and the gradual snowballing effect that comes from it.

Actual accounts of those that played with Brian, or attempted to, in June 1969 do not tell of such focused goals or potent music. Instead it's vague talked of ideas of songs that not even Alexis Korner got to hear, it's aimless jams with Brian coming and going from the music room at Cotchford, it's lots of prescribed drugs and alcohol.

In the following pages of Andrew's book, he goes in to the health side of things and the reality of what that meant...

"... A physical revival had been out of the question for a long time."

Pleurisy, liver and heart disease is no joke.

He is quite cutting and brutal, but is this all that wrong a point of view?

"The swimming pool was an incidental, thrown in for Brian's closing night, for Brian had, for a fatal length of time, been drowning under the influence if life."

Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.

But that of seeing some potentiality in his song-writing and singing abilities are, let me repeat myself, interesting, since he was the man who once judged that Brian is hopeless in crafting songs and who also kicked him off from a microphone.

That said, I recall the tone in his books being a bit apologetic towards Brian. I think he somewhere there admitted that of any people he was there talking about, he felt that he had most second-thoughts about Brian, His treatment or something (like re-thinking what he was like, etc.) But it is a long time since I read the books, so it could be that my memory is making me tricks. Well, what I at least remember clearly is Andrew stating that whatever shit happened, Brian, after all, lasted two years more than him...

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His Majesty, do you think there are any recordings that exist in the Stones vaults or elsewhere of additional unreleased music Brian may have created for A Degree of Murder?Any music he may have created while with the Stones .Didn’t he tell Jimmy Miller during the recording of Beggars Banquet he was into making electronic music at that time?I think Anita said during the 1971 Rolling Stone interview of Keith Brian was recording more experimental music on his own



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His Majesty, do you think there are any recordings that exist in the Stones vaults or elsewhere of additional unreleased music Brian may have created for A Degree of Murder?

I really doubt it. One reason being he didn't even record enough for the film, the director had to re-use some of the exact same recordings in different places because of this. An argument could be made that this is quite common, re-using the same music in a film, but this is the directors pov and the music without repetition only comes in to about 20 minutes of music.

Some Morricone scores are about the same length.

One of the few times I got a response from ABKCO was on this topic. I asked if they had tapes for Degree Of Murder and would they consider releasing them as it would be of interest to Stones fans. I was told (via email) that they had no tapes relating to the film soundtrack. This was approx 3 years ago.

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Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.
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After Oldham left the Stones he still was a force in the London music scene, through Immediate Records and through managing Small faces and forming Humble Pie, both having connections to Brian. And he kept close friendship to Anita and Marianne, even living with them and Mick Taylor in Keith's house in New York in the early 1980's.

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Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.
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After Oldham left the Stones he still was a force in the London music scene, through Immediate Records and through managing Small faces and forming Humble Pie, both having connections to Brian. And he kept close friendship to Anita and Marianne, even living with them and Mick Taylor in Keith's house in New York in the early 1980's.

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Yeah. So one could say ALO had some very good second-hand sources. Taking the strong and 'immediate' (sic) Humble Pie connection, interesting that he did not say anything in his speculations about Brian's upcoming musical possibilities about a possible involvement with them - something I recall speculated. Could be the most obvious reason: there weren't anything else but some brief personal connection between Brian and the upcoming band, not like he would be a part of them or something.

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Mick Taylor lived with Anita and Marianne in Keith’s house in NewYork in the 1980s? At the same time? In separate living quarters? Was that the house Anita was with the young man who killer himself with a gun in Westchester NY?

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Never read this before HM, thanks. And in a less important or extreme way, history repeated itself regarding the fifth Stone.

And Ron Wood likely was the smartest from a social point of view, on the long term.

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That was a great read! Like a direct time travel to the feelings of those days (and like a good reminder what a big, shocking news Brian's departure was at the time. Africa... ). And, to cheer a bit the sad tune, Mick's comment about their reputation is priceless. Still nowhere near the end... So right you were, Mick!

Thanks, His Majesty!

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So you have me revisiting my Chess recordings , and after re-reading this entire thread (to make sure you hadn’t already answered this!) I have some doubts as to what I thought previously: you mention, as does Wikipedia, that the other version of Time Is On My Side was done in London (Regent) yet my copy of Chess recordings have them recording a version of Time during the June 11 ‘64 Chess sessions which Brian would’ve most likely been on (as well as the Nov. 8 recording)..

I’m now wondering if this was thrown on my recording (which is an unofficial release of Chess stuff) mistakenly? I’ve always been a bit suspicious of this list because it also has a version of Satisfaction claiming to be from Chess May 10th ‘65 — which many say does not exist, including reaching out to Andrew Loog Oldham on twitter regarding this (his answer wasn’t exactly definitive, but seemed to indicate “no”), as well as speaking with people at the Chess museum.

I know this stuff is in various places on the internet and isn’t specifically Brian Jones related, but as someone really diving into this would you mind clarifying? Thanks again for your fantastic contributions to the Stones’ world!



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The Satsfaction on there is probably the audio from Shindig where they played a version of Satisfaction that was different to the official single. Because it includes harmonica, this is often assumed to be from first attempt at Chess. But, I think, without checking, it's actually a special recording, along with others songs, done for the show to give the impression they were playing live.

I think so too, but was it based on their early, unreleased, arrangement? I guess we'll never really know unless the studio recording surfaces.

Thanks for the Time Is On My Side clarification, those scallywags duped me (as Grand Moff Tarkin would say, "They lied!")

I just quickly compared the Satisfactions and at first listen they sound different (Jagger's vocal has some nuanced differences and the bass seems to come in differently, tho that might be that I have trouble hearing it at all on my version)

Anyway, I don't believe it's from Chess as too many out there say no, but do appreciate your work on all this HM! Now back to Brian

great grand moff tarkin reference

you may fire off another one when ready

Hi His Majesty, wondering if you may have further info regarding the Alexis Korner biography by Harry Shapiro. In it, he mentions Alexis organized rehearsals at Cotchford Farm after Brian left the band. Some of the musicians mentioned were the late Vince Crane, Carl Palmer, John Mayall, Mitch Mitchell and Micky Waller.
Do you have any info as to how these sessions went, was anything recorded, etc?

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Eye Magazine - March 1969.

"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.

I didn't realized that this Wyman quote I've been familiar with, was so old, dating to March 1969. I guess it sounded pretty critical as a public comment back then.

I wonder if Mick was making notes, since next month they would try Bill's "Sweet Lucy" aka "Downtown Suzie" (although some sources claim that it was already recorded in May 1968, but that doesn't sound likely).

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Bill was probably on a roll after this, and hoped to get more songs on albums

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Bill was probably on a roll after this, and hoped to get more songs on albums

Why didn’t they just say In Another Land by The Rolling Stones and not Bill Wyman.It wasn’t a solo song since Wyman was in the band and the band played on it and put it on the band’s album. Almost like Mick and Keith saying we are the only writers for the band.

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Eye Magazine - March 1969.

"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.

Nice quote. It sounds much like George Harrisons complaint that they never worked on his songs. It was only in later years that he acknowledged the fact that he was in a band with two of the most prolific writers of all time.

When you're churning out tracks that end up on Beggars and LIB on a daily basis who would want to work on a Bill Wyman song...

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