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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
To add -this person ruined Taylor's chances of getting involved with the Stones ever again. Taylor was offered a permanent slot with the Stones after the 2014 tour, but negotiations with this person went so bad that the Stones management (read: Jagger) basically exiled Taylor from anything to do with the Stones, including any involvement with the Exhibitionism event.
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They proved it in 1981 with the KC show that 3 guitars could exist and MT laid back and added where he thought best and did not step on Ron Wood. I read somewhere way back when the exile bonus sessions cam out that Keith said If he had is way Mick Taylor would be back alluding to the fact that Mick Jagger would never allow that to happen and give MT another shot to outshine Jagger's performance every night on stage.
And that's just plain rubbish. No guitar player in the world is able to "outshine" a world-class lead singer, in particular not this lead singer and performer! Maybe in the strange world of a handful of diehards who truly believe that the vast majority of people who buy Stones concert tickets do so solely for seeing Keith Richards, but not in reality. Who's really in danger of being "outshined" by someone like Mick Taylor is the rusty, stiff-sounding, unimaginative standart Stones guitar section.
And if we're really honest, Taylor did not always shine during "50 ...and counting!". It's definitely not the case that he could bring 1969 to 1973's glory back to the Stones live sound with the snap of his fingertips.
I think had we seen Taylor play on songs like SFM and GS he may well have stole the show, he really is that good. It's not about outshining Jagger, it's about adding to the show and raising everyone's game, Ronnie really raised his game when Taylor was present.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
To add -this person ruined Taylor's chances of getting involved with the Stones ever again. Taylor was offered a permanent slot with the Stones after the 2014 tour, but negotiations with this person went so bad that the Stones management (read: Jagger) basically exiled Taylor from anything to do with the Stones, including any involvement with the Exhibitionism event.
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Many of the fans and reviews of the 50 and counting shows commented that Midnight Rambler or CYHMK were the highlights of the show not to say if MT was not there they would of said the same thing. Taylor on stage brings improvisation to the band and for me that is a key item I love when I go to a live gig. Yes Jagger is a great frontman and was unbelievable during the 69 shows moving like James Brown but those days are gone and the band as a unit playing at a high level is more important to me then( Moves Like Jagger). LOL
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Many of the fans and reviews of the 50 and counting shows commented that Midnight Rambler or CYHMK were the highlights of the show not to say if MT was not there they would of said the same thing. Taylor on stage brings improvisation to the band and for me that is a key item I love when I go to a live gig. Yes Jagger is a great frontman and was unbelievable during the 69 shows moving like James Brown but those days are gone and the band as a unit playing at a high level is more important to me then( Moves Like Jagger). LOL
I don't doubt that for a minute, it's just that "fear of being outshined"-nonsense aimed at Jagger I was objecting to.
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loog droog
Why is a thread called "Ron Wood" turned into another Mick Taylor dialog?
Take this conversation elsewhere!
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loog droog
Why is a thread called "Ron Wood" turned into another Mick Taylor dialog?
Take this conversation elsewhere!
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stevecardi
I owe that man an apology. For years, I was part of the elite "Ronnie Wood if only he could/unworthy pretender to the throne of Mick Taylor" crowd.
But now, the more I listen Ronnie's playing on the 1975 and 1978 tours, his lead work on Steel Wheels and Urban Jungle tour, his work with the Faces and the Jeff Beck Group, and most of all, his solo albums, the more I realize what a great player he is.
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Ron Wood played great on the 1981 tour and was a breath of fresh air to the band and my next great impression was Ron Wood on the Sticky Fingers show at the Fonda
Theatre in LA. For me all the other years are foggy and his playing does not stand out as great or improvising and taking the band to another level on stage. Just a good overall musician playing his parts and second fiddle to Keith and Mick.
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Ron Wood played great on the 1981 tour and was a breath of fresh air to the band and my next great impression was Ron Wood on the Sticky Fingers show at the Fonda
Theatre in LA. For me all the other years are foggy and his playing does not stand out as great or improvising and taking the band to another level on stage. Just a good overall musician playing his parts and second fiddle to Keith and Mick.
Spot on, my thoughts exactly.
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Many of the fans and reviews of the 50 and counting shows commented that Midnight Rambler or CYHMK were the highlights of the show not to say if MT was not there they would of said the same thing. Taylor on stage brings improvisation to the band and for me that is a key item I love when I go to a live gig. Yes Jagger is a great frontman and was unbelievable during the 69 shows moving like James Brown but those days are gone and the band as a unit playing at a high level is more important to me then( Moves Like Jagger). LOL
I don't doubt that for a minute, it's just that "fear of being outshined"-nonsense aimed at Jagger I was objecting to.
Yes i agree with you retired dog, Jagger doesn't think he will be outshone , but maybe Jagger thinks that the show is about him, and gets impatient with extended solo's and guitar work, there is plenty of footage with Jagger doing his upmost to cut Taylor Short on a solo that's just blowing the crowd away.
So i think it's more Jagger doesn't understand the appreciation the audience have of Taylor's solo's as opposed to fear of being outshone.
Maybe Jagger has got so used to Keith's poor soloing that he has grown impatient. I don't know , it was just such a pity those few times Jagger was looking at the band as if to say stop him or something, when in actual fact it made a nice change from hearing Jagger's voice the whole time, variety is the spice of life, we can have too much of a good thing when it comes to Jagger's dominance over a show, it's nice to let the band breath a bit.
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Ron Wood played great on the 1981 tour and was a breath of fresh air to the band and my next great impression was Ron Wood on the Sticky Fingers show at the Fonda
Theatre in LA. For me all the other years are foggy and his playing does not stand out as great or improvising and taking the band to another level on stage. Just a good overall musician playing his parts and second fiddle to Keith and Mick.
Spot on, my thoughts exactly.
Same here, I just would change the line "on the 1981 tour" to "1975 to 1981 tours".
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Am I the only one who think Taylor wasn't very good on 50 & counting/14 on fire? I guess joining in for a song or two in the middle of a show is not so easy, but most of his solos sounded too technical and uninspired imo. He played with no feel.
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Am I the only one who think Taylor wasn't very good on 50 & counting/14 on fire? I guess joining in for a song or two in the middle of a show is not so easy, but most of his solos sounded too technical and uninspired imo. He played with no feel.
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Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor MIDNIGHT RAMBLER Prudential Center, Newark, NJ Dec. 13, 2012
I think this may be better than 02 Arena - Taylor's guitar is up front and center
and if you listen to those guitar licks and guitar phrases that's the big difference between Taylor and Ron and Keith. Ron and Keith can not play blues like that, they play the stones blues which is a good thing, and that's what Taylor brings to the band and enriches the guitar sound.