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nick
Stones broken or not, the CBS contract called for 5 releases, one of them being a Mick Jagger solo album and possibly a 2nd if they needed to fulfill the contract. Instead of fixing the Stones, Mick went and chose to see if he can go without the Stones. After She's the Boss he should had concentrated on putting an effort into the Dirty Work album. He chose not to and decided to split time between Primitive Cool and Dirty Work because the Rolling Stones contract needed Rolling Stones releases. He put his efforts first and 2 of the first 3 releases on a Stones contract were Solo Mick. I like Mick better than Keith. Overall I prefer his solo efforts ( mostly the 3rd & 4th) but it was Mick that broke things and put himself before the Stones. Keith puts out a solo album that if you had to choose between both She's the Boss & Primitive Cool versus Talk is Cheap, Shiiiit Keith wins hands down and then all of a sudden we get Steel Wheels. In the end we lost out on what Dirty Work could have been and completely lost an album that should had been before Steel Wheels.
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nick
Stones broken or not, the CBS contract called for 5 releases, one of them being a Mick Jagger solo album and possibly a 2nd if they needed to fulfill the contract. Instead of fixing the Stones, Mick went and chose to see if he can go without the Stones. After She's the Boss he should had concentrated on putting an effort into the Dirty Work album. He chose not to and decided to split time between Primitive Cool and Dirty Work because the Rolling Stones contract needed Rolling Stones releases. He put his efforts first and 2 of the first 3 releases on a Stones contract were Solo Mick. I like Mick better than Keith. Overall I prefer his solo efforts ( mostly the 3rd & 4th) but it was Mick that broke things and put himself before the Stones. Keith puts out a solo album that if you had to choose between both She's the Boss & Primitive Cool versus Talk is Cheap, Shiiiit Keith wins hands down and then all of a sudden we get Steel Wheels. In the end we lost out on what Dirty Work could have been and completely lost an album that should had been before Steel Wheels.
Just reading your post nick, something occurred to me that i have never thought before, Talk Is Cheap inadvertently saved the Stones, the success of that album and accompanied tour must have got Mick worried, had he really lost Keith for good and could Mick make the big bucks without Keith ?
No wonder Mick called Keith up while Keith was touring with the Winos to get the Stones back in the studio to make Steel Wheels.
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nick
Let's not conflate Mick's personal life with him dicking over The Stones and their fans.
The true crux of this is when he goes to record Primitive Cool. There was no need for that "crap". Dirty Work should had been the priority.
You got hand it to Bill German. His Volume 2 issues certainly had you thinking they were a band the whole time. He was more of a Rolling Stone then the band was during that period. Thank you Bill, you definitely came through for the fans.
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keithsman
Yes Hairball but as much as i like Blue And Lonesome, i kind of wish Keith had persuaded Mick to finish the album of originals they were working on.
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But what really surprised me was that Mick's solo career was so unsuccessful
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keithsman
Just reading your post nick, something occurred to me that i have never thought before, Talk Is Cheap inadvertently saved the Stones, the success of that album and accompanied tour must have got Mick worried, had he really lost Keith for good and could Mick make the big bucks without Keith ?
No wonder Mick called Keith up while Keith was touring with the Winos to get the Stones back in the studio to make Steel Wheels.
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Hairball
Big thanks to Keith for saving the Stones, and also persuading Mick to do Blue and Lonesome.
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But Rocky, Talk is Cheap outselling Primitive Cool almost two to one was a disastrous commercial result for Mick and for Sony at that time. He was Mick Jagger! Keith was his sidekick, as far as most of the public was concerned, if they even knew who he was. Of course, a Jagger solo album was of less interest because there were already many, better Stones albums for people to buy if they wanted to hear him sing.
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keithsman
But what really surprised me was that Mick's solo career was so unsuccessful
Many of his contemporaries would have loved to have had Mick's level of failure. Just looking at U.S. stats, SHE'S THE BOSS ships platinum and charts at #13 with "Just Another Night" at #12 and "Lucky in Love" still in the Top 40. He steals the show at Live-Aid and "Dancing in the Street" becomes a Top 10 hit. "Let's Work" is still a Top 40 hit and selling over 300,000 copies of PRIMITIVE COOL isn't bad. His tours are a major success in Japan and Down Under. Mick only failed if you were expecting him to reach or exceed the same level of success as the Stones.
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keithsman
But what really surprised me was that Mick's solo career was so unsuccessful
Many of his contemporaries would have loved to have had Mick's level of failure. Just looking at U.S. stats, SHE'S THE BOSS ships platinum and charts at #13 with "Just Another Night" at #12 and "Lucky in Love" still in the Top 40. He steals the show at Live-Aid and "Dancing in the Street" becomes a Top 10 hit. "Let's Work" is still a Top 40 hit and selling over 300,000 copies of PRIMITIVE COOL isn't bad. His tours are a major success in Japan and Down Under. Mick only failed if you were expecting him to reach or exceed the same level of success as the Stones.
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keithsman
so many young people back then didn't even know who Keith was.
Mick was the most famous man in the world along with Sinatra and McCartney.
Keith was not expected to be more successful than Mick, or as successful.
You really think Mick went solo for a top 40 hit, he was hoping for Micheal Jackson success. Thriller success lol. .
He was obviously being told a load of BS by his men.
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nick
Phil Collins repeatedly kick Mick's ass in with his success and still had time for Genesis.
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keithsman
Mick steals the show at Live Aide ,( the live performance ) it was embarrassing but not as embarrassing as Keith and Ronnie with Dylan, the Stones would have stole the show though had they played, of that i have no doubt.
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Mick steals the show at Live Aide ,( the live performance ) it was embarrassing but not as embarrassing as Keith and Ronnie with Dylan, the Stones would have stole the show though had they played, of that i have no doubt.
Bob, Keith, and Ronnie were not miked properly and lost audio. An unfortunate situation which was supposed to lend gravitas to the proceedings before the gooey all-star finale. Perhaps they didn't realize Bob, in those days, tended to be unintelligible to the uninitiated.
As for Mick's live set being embarrassing, that's entirely subjective. Most people saw it as the show-stealing moment, particularly with Tina. It was Mick Jagger working the stage even if Hall & Oates with Ruffin & Kendricks kinda sucked ("Miss You" came over alright).
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keithsman
damn if you had seen his merchandise at the Town And Country Club it was laughable.
But what i will credit Keith with was the fact that he created a new band with great musicians, he created a new sound and style of delivery, he learned to command an audience.
This was all new and fresh, apart from TIOMS and GS he played mostly all his new materiel every night, he took chances.
Mick on the other hand went for safe bet Stones songs with copy cat Keith guitarists, really i mean what is solo about that, he was just doing the same thing he does with the Stones.
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keithsman
I love you Rocky but if you think Mick singing State Of Shock and iorr with Tina being backed up the Hall and Oates band does it for you then what can i say .
Not only that but you keep saying keith tells lies in interviews the whole time.
If we can't take the truth from the horses mouth then where do you go, Mick is not timid he would put the record straight if he thought keith was lying about the way things happened.
I know Keith exaggerates, especially when drunk and his imagination gets the better of him lol, but fundamentally he is an honest guy, and so is Mick.
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keithsman
Rocky i completely agree with you on all your last post.
Sorry to have gone off topic but that was fun
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Rocky i completely agree with you on all your last post.
Sorry to have gone off topic but that was fun
It was fun. Hopefully no one thinks we're arguing. I obsess on this band and have done for decades. This is the only place I feel comfortable discussing it to the level I do.
Except with Revvy. I adore Revvy. I'm thrilled he's here and engaging with others, but I am reluctant to do one of these things with him.
Now lem motlow, on the other hand, is the best to go head-to-head with. An absolute wall of sarcasm that is razor-sharp.
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potus43
embarrassing
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Rocky Dijon
I'm not sure what Phil Collins or Genesis have to do with this...
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embarrassing
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Stoneage
Are we supposed to feel sorry for the vagabond, millionaire womanizer? Bullocks...
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keithsman
Mick... would put the record straight if he thought keith was lying about
the way things happened.
I know Keith exaggerates, especially when drunk and his imagination gets the better of him lol, but fundamentally he is an honest guy, and so is Mick.